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post #1 of 12
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Hi there,

I am currently living at my father's place and he bought Panasonic TH-50PZ77U a couple years ago. This television set has this matte finnish to it so it doesn't reflect that much. My father bought this set because there is a big window wall on the side and it's even perfect during day time, no reflection....

Now, I am getting an appartment with the lady and we want to buy the 50ST50 but I am afraid it will be a lot more reflective than what I'm used to. As we want to keep this television for a couple of years, we probably won't stay more than 2 years at the appartment we signed for....

what is your input in this? Should I really use LED then? I'm used to fast response time and good black levels...and I watch a lot of sports.

Thank you
post #2 of 12
Reflections shouldn't be a problem at all with most of the newer plasmas. I live in an apartment and have a 3 year old Samsung and I don't have any problems with reflections at all.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by newhometver View Post

Hi there,

I am currently living at my father's place and he bought Panasonic TH-50PZ77U a couple years ago. This television set has this matte finnish to it so it doesn't reflect that much. My father bought this set because there is a big window wall on the side and it's even perfect during day time, no reflection....

Now, I am getting an appartment with the lady and we want to buy the 50ST50 but I am afraid it will be a lot more reflective than what I'm used to. As we want to keep this television for a couple of years, we probably won't stay more than 2 years at the appartment we signed for....

what is your input in this? Should I really use LED then? I'm used to fast response time and good black levels...and I watch a lot of sports.

Thank you

My advice is get the tv you want the most. You can always buy proper blinds or drapes to block light.
post #4 of 12
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but for example, if there is a light on table by the couch, will I see it reflect on the tv or will I see myself watching tv with the wall behind etc?
post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by newhometver View Post

but for example, if there is a light on table by the couch, will I see it reflect on the tv or will I see myself watching tv with the wall behind etc?

No and No. I have a light beside my couch and you can't see it. The only time it would be reflective at all is when the tv is off.
post #6 of 12
With dark content, yes you will!
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by newhometver View Post

....I am currently living at my father's place and he bought Panasonic TH-50PZ77U a couple years ago. This television set has this matte finish to it so it doesn't reflect that much. My father bought this set because there is a big window wall on the side and it's even perfect during day time, no reflection....

Now, I am getting an apartment with the lady and we want to buy the 50ST50 but I am afraid it will be a lot more reflective than what I'm used to. As we want to keep this television for a couple of years, we probably won't stay more than 2 years at the apartment we signed for....

what is your input in this? Should I really use LED then? I'm used to fast response time and good black levels...and I watch a lot of sports.

..... if there is a light on table by the couch, will I see it reflect on the tv or will I see myself watching tv with the wall behind etc?

I'm very familiar with the PZ77U's matte screen. That was the only year they offered a matte screen Plasma and it was very good at diffusing light (two friends have them). Starting in 2008 they started improving their regular Anti-Reflective Filter year after year and last year the ST/GT/VT models had among the best AR Filters ever (along with Samsungs PND6500/7000/8000).

I'm also fairly familiar with last year's ST30's AR Filter and it's very good, and this year's ST50 is reportedly even better. These models are the least reflective of any recent or current Plasma, but they will all be considerably more reflective than dad's PZ77U. The reflections usually aren't horrible, but don't expect to get your dad's anti-reflectivity on a current TV.

And most of the LCD TVs now have glossy screens that are way more reflective than the good Plasmas. Very few LCDs still have that nice legacy matte screen like they did several years ago.

The good thing about the ST50 (and the other mid-to-high-end Plasmas) is that it's bright enough to punch through the light in the room, but in the dark areas of the screen (or during a dark movie) reflections will become more visible, but they are muted pretty well.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I'm very familiar with the PZ77U's matte screen. That was the only year they offered a matte screen Plasma and it was very good at diffusing light (two friends have them). Starting in 2008 they started improving their regular Anti-Reflective Filter year after year and last year the ST/GT/VT models had among the best AR Filters ever (along with Samsungs PND6500/7000/8000).

I'm also fairly familiar with last year's ST30's AR Filter and it's very good, and this year's ST50 is reportedly even better. These models are the least reflective of any recent or current Plasma, but they will all be considerably more reflective than dad's PZ77U. The reflections usually aren't horrible, but don't expect to get your dad's anti-reflectivity on a current TV.

And most of the LCD TVs now have glossy screens that are way more reflective than the good Plasmas. Very few LCDs still have that nice legacy matte screen like they did several years ago.

The good thing about the ST50 (and the other mid-to-high-end Plasmas) is that it's bright enough to punch through the light in the room, but in the dark areas of the screen (or during a dark movie) reflections will become more visible, but they are muted pretty well.

So the thing is I can't go wrong? The problem I have right now is that I bought the tv and I had to give a 25% cash for it to reserve it at the store which is just reimbursable in 30 days or less....but the tv warranty takes place the day I get the tv out. Since I don't have place to put it at home, I decided to wait for them to deliver it at the beginning of july. But now I am afraid that if I find the tv too reflexive, I will lose 25% .....

But if you guys tell me that everything is good and stuff..I will trust you be happy with my new purchase and wait for it.

Other question: if there is a dead pixel, will panasonic exchange it to me? does this happen often?

thank you
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by newhometver View Post

Other question: if there is a dead pixel, will panasonic exchange it to me? does this happen often?

I wonder about this too. If we go by history (searching forum posts), it seems like they can go either way, depending on the severity (number and location of the dead/stuck subpixels).

As someone who can't stand dead/stuck pixels, so I would suggest choosing someplace with a great return policy.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by newhometver View Post

So the thing is I can't go wrong? The problem I have right now is that I bought the tv and I had to give a 25% cash for it to reserve it at the store which is just reimbursable in 30 days or less....but the tv warranty takes place the day I get the tv out. Since I don't have place to put it at home, I decided to wait for them to deliver it at the beginning of july. But now I am afraid that if I find the tv too reflexive, I will lose 25% .....

But if you guys tell me that everything is good and stuff..I will trust you be happy with my new purchase and wait for it.

Other question: if there is a dead pixel, will panasonic exchange it to me? does this happen often?

thank you

Why are you putting a hold on it now and then taking delivery in July? You will probably be able to find it easily in July and at a better price (I bought my ST30 last year in late June since the prices started dropping around then).
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Sunkist View Post

Why are you putting a hold on it now and then taking delivery in July? You will probably be able to find it easily in July and at a better price (I bought my ST30 last year in late June since the prices started dropping around then).

Because I had a pretty good deal, no tax to pay and free delivery + installation. I might just ask them to come here and then check it out...if I have one dead pixel, can I call panasonic and tell them this is not acceptable for a $1800 dollar tv set (with taxes)????

The guy in this video is showing is new tc-p50st50 and wow....it reflects so much...we can see him and his windows and stuff...is this normal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpaDb7zZgz8

I am very sad to see this...

My friend has a Tc-p50s2....does this model has also the matte finnish? how does it compare to the p50st50 in terms of anti-reflect?

Thank you guys
post #12 of 12
Panasonic may not replace it for 1 pixel, will the store that you getting it from allow you to exchange? My ST30 does show some reflections from whatever is behind me but I only notice when it is a totally black scene and if I have light on behind me. If you have a way to cover windows that are directly across from the TV then you should be fine. Basically most any Plasma will have this problem these days and even many LCD TVs since most are using glossy screens now.
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