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post #151 of 228
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Originally Posted by GregN View Post

Thanks for "pot tuning" link. I like to tinker, but that may be a bit much for me to handle.

I really like the specs on this TV, especially the matt screen. For those of you that have this set, does the new firmware allow the True Motion feature to be turned off (in all viewing modes) to avoid the Soap Opera Effect?

Thank,
Greg

Trumotion can be turned off now. I can verify that. No SOE.

The pwm noise mentioned above is definitely present. On my set its not anything like I've seen described in other threads though. It's like the very near black levels are made up of very small alternating areas of black and a lighter gray. The lighter gray areas are like a swarm of angry bees trapped inside a black box. I watch the 50" set from about 15 feet, and so far, I can't see it under normal viewing conditions - it all blends together. If you watch from "recommended seating distance" or closer per the various charts, I think it would be noticeable and bothersome.

Keep in mind that I've only watched a limited amount of content. The Olympics look pretty awesome though smile.gif Maybe just a tad oversaturated.
Edited by djams - 8/13/12 at 6:59am
post #152 of 228
Anybody know what the power consumption is for the 60"er? It seems my TV, Uverse box and courtyard lighting are on the same circuit and if I turn on the lights in the courtyard the breaker trips after 3 seconds. The courtyard lights add up 480W.
post #153 of 228
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Originally Posted by babylou View Post

Anybody know what the power consumption is for the 60"er?

I just glanced at the spec sheet, and for power consumption it states XXXW for both the 50 and 60. For "on mode" it says TBD. Seems like a glaring omission.
post #154 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

I just glanced at the spec sheet, and for power consumption it states XXXW for both the 50 and 60. For "on mode" it says TBD. Seems like a glaring omission.

On my Kill-a-Watt meter, power ranged from about 160 watts in maximum power saving mode to over 300 watts with power saving off for my 60 inch 9700.

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Originally Posted by djams View Post

Trumotion can be turned off now. I can verify that. No SOE.
The pwm noise mentioned above is definitely present. On my set its not anything like I've seen described in other threads though. It's like the very near black levels are made up of very small alternating areas of black and a lighter gray. The lighter gray areas are like a swarm of angry bees trapped inside a black box. I watch the 50" set from about 15 feet, and so far, I can't see it under normal viewing conditions - it all blends together. If you watch from "recommended seating distance" or closer per the various charts, I think it would be noticeable and bothersome.
Keep in mind that I've only watched a limited amount of content. The Olympics look pretty awesome though smile.gif Maybe just a tad oversaturated.

Try lowering your brightness setting, that should clear up the issue. A setting around 47 or 48 should clean it up, but it is dependent on contrast setting and you may need to go lower.
post #155 of 228
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Originally Posted by Axoman View Post

Try lowering your brightness setting, that should clear up the issue. A setting around 47 or 48 should clean it up, but it is dependent on contrast setting and you may need to go lower.

Thanks for the reply Axoman. I've got to disagree with your solution though. On my set, setting brightness that low simply crushes all the levels near black so that the set is unable to display them at all. As a matter of fact, this noise issue is most clearly visible when viewing the brightness patterns on the AVS-HD709 or WOW discs. Do you use one of the calibrations discs to help get these settings at the proper levels? I've got to have brightness at 52 to keep from crushing level 17. This is with contrast at 90.
post #156 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

Thanks for the reply Axoman. I've got to disagree with your solution though. On my set, setting brightness that low simply crushes all the levels near black so that the set is unable to display them at all. As a matter of fact, this noise issue is most clearly visible when viewing the brightness patterns on the AVS-HD709 or WOW discs. Do you use one of the calibrations discs to help get these settings at the proper levels? I've got to have brightness at 52 to keep from crushing level 17. This is with contrast at 90.

No, I don't have any calibration discs, I'm just currently going by what looks good to me at the moment. WOW disc is on order.

If I turn up the brightness to get the dithering, I only notice it when I'm within a few feet of the set. When sitting at normal viewing distance, which is greater than 7 or 8ft, I can't notice the dithering.

So, even if it turns out I'll end up needing to raise the brightness, I feel pretty confident the dithering won't bother me at viewing distance.
post #157 of 228
As far as calibration discs go, its hard to beat the AVS-HD709 disc that can be downloaded free here on AVS. It's in AVCHD format. You burn it to a DVD and play it in your bluray player.

Search the display calibration forum for AVS-HD709 to find the thread. First post has all the links and instructions. Be sure to download the patterns manual pdf also...

Edit: link - http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
Edited by djams - 8/20/12 at 9:29am
post #158 of 228
I've noticed something that I find pretty annoying.

When watching 2.35:1 bluray, the bars at top and bottom of the screen are not as black as the movie during dark scenes. I know somebody is going to want to say "you need to turn down the brightness", but this is not the problem. If the movie content is darker than the bars, the problem is clearly with the bars themselves. They should be the very darkest black the set is capable of displaying. Anybody else noticing this?
post #159 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

I've noticed something that I find pretty annoying.
When watching 2.35:1 bluray, the bars at top and bottom of the screen are not as black as the movie during dark scenes. I know somebody is going to want to say "you need to turn down the brightness", but this is not the problem. If the movie content is darker than the bars, the problem is clearly with the bars themselves. They should be the very darkest black the set is capable of displaying. Anybody else noticing this?

I've only watched one movie that was this way, but I don't remember if the bars where lighter than the blacks in the movie.

I'll remember to check next time I watch a movie with bars.
post #160 of 228
My 60PM9700 should arrive tomorrow; Any recommendations for initial settings, firmware updates would be much appreciated.
I have always wanted a plasma TV and this is my first one! Pretty excited about it. Looking forward to a movie marathon weekend!
post #161 of 228
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Originally Posted by banditbiker View Post

My 60PM9700 should arrive tomorrow; Any recommendations for initial settings, firmware updates would be much appreciated.
I have always wanted a plasma TV and this is my first one! Pretty excited about it. Looking forward to a movie marathon weekend!

Congrats! I don't think you'll be disappointed with your purchase.

There is a firmware upgrade you'll probably want to install right away - it fixes the problem of undefeatable motion interpolation. (SOE that can't be turned off). Check for updates through the menu system once you've got the set networked. The network configuration is a snap - completely automatic for me. I have ethernet cable run through my wall. Just plugged it in and that was it. I didn't have to configure anything.

As far as initial settings - one of the great things about this TV is that its THX certified. You can put it on the THX picture mode preset and just watch it, and know with confidence that the settings are "good". I've checked the THX preset on my set. The grayscale is pretty good, the average gamma is at about 2.15, color temp tracks right on 6500k. Colors are somewhat oversaturated, but not to extremes. Color luminances are off considerably. It outputs 36fl, which is perfect IMO for movie watching at night. It is not possible to make adjustments to THX mode through the user menus.

I'm sure you've already read threads about how plasmas need to be handled with "kid gloves" during the first couple hundred hours. No super bright settings, don't watch "black bar" content all the time, no static images on the screen for extended lengths of time, etc. Good to heed this advice.

Enjoy your new toy! smile.gif
post #162 of 228
Got a favor to ask of you fellow owners. I've got my 50PM9700 in an entertainment center. There's less than an inch of clearance on each side of the tv. I'm a bit concerned about the set running too hot.

I've discovered that the Host Diagnostics screen shows the "module temperature". Mine is running at 46 degrees C when it's fully warmed up. I'm wondering if those of you that have the tv set up with proper clearance for ventilation/air flow could check your temperature and report back.

To display the Host Diagnostics screen (must be done with an "old fashioned" remote, not the magic motion):

- press menu
- arrow down so that the "option" toolbox is highlighted on the left column
- press 1,1,1,1,1 on the remote
- press enter to exit the host diagnostics screen

A remote programmed for any recent LG tv will work for this. For example, this TV replaced a 2010 LG LCD, and the remotes I had programmed for that set work fine.
post #163 of 228
Thanks for the suggestions, djams. I have setup the TV to some extent and so far it has been wonderful. At first THX mode seemed it needed more brightness but I like it more and more every day. My room is very bright with light coming in from 3 sides and even with that there are no annoying reflections. I do see some but they are not distracting - like in some of the other TVs I considered where I could clearly see window blinds and other details in the reflection.

I got the 3D glasses as part of the promotion. Glasses are rechargeable but still very light weight. I first take a look at free 3D content on Comcast - not bad at all. THe depth is amazing. I bought the Ghost Rider movie to check out BlueRay 3D (terrible movie btw) and have mixed reactions to it. I am not sure if my PS3 recognized it as a 3D movie of the TV converted 2D to 3D! Some scenes felt like 3D while others looked normal 2D. I have a 3D player on order so will check out more in the coming weeks.

Netflix streaming and DLNA streaming works very well. Home videos in AVCHD wouldn't play smoothly so I connected the TV to ethernet - HD streaming is fantastic now.

I did notice that launching the apps and navigating isn't very snappy unlike the dual-core Samsung TVs I tested, so this TV might not have a dual-core processor.

Overall very pleased with the TV.
post #164 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

Got a favor to ask of you fellow owners. I've got my 50PM9700 in an entertainment center. There's less than an inch of clearance on each side of the tv. I'm a bit concerned about the set running too hot.
I've discovered that the Host Diagnostics screen shows the "module temperature". Mine is running at 46 degrees C when it's fully warmed up. I'm wondering if those of you that have the tv set up with proper clearance for ventilation/air flow could check your temperature and report back.
To display the Host Diagnostics screen (must be done with an "old fashioned" remote, not the magic motion):
- press menu
- arrow down so that the "option" toolbox is highlighted on the left column
- press 1,1,1,1,1 on the remote
- press enter to exit the host diagnostics screen
A remote programmed for any recent LG tv will work for this. For example, this TV replaced a 2010 LG LCD, and the remotes I had programmed for that set work fine.

If I remember, I'll try to do this for you this weekend. Although, mine is a 60 inch and consumes more power, so it may run hotter and also wall mounted, so it might not be a very direct comparison.
post #165 of 228
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Originally Posted by banditbiker View Post

Thanks for the suggestions, djams. I have setup the TV to some extent and so far it has been wonderful. At first THX mode seemed it needed more brightness but I like it more and more every day. My room is very bright with light coming in from 3 sides and even with that there are no annoying reflections. I do see some but they are not distracting - like in some of the other TVs I considered where I could clearly see window blinds and other details in the reflection.

I got the 3D glasses as part of the promotion. Glasses are rechargeable but still very light weight. I first take a look at free 3D content on Comcast - not bad at all. THe depth is amazing. I bought the Ghost Rider movie to check out BlueRay 3D (terrible movie btw) and have mixed reactions to it. I am not sure if my PS3 recognized it as a 3D movie of the TV converted 2D to 3D! Some scenes felt like 3D while others looked normal 2D. I have a 3D player on order so will check out more in the coming weeks.

Netflix streaming and DLNA streaming works very well. Home videos in AVCHD wouldn't play smoothly so I connected the TV to ethernet - HD streaming is fantastic now.

I did notice that launching the apps and navigating isn't very snappy unlike the dual-core Samsung TVs I tested, so this TV might not have a dual-core processor.

Overall very pleased with the TV.
You're welcome - glad to hear you're enjoying the TV. I'm really happy with it overall as well.

I agree about netflix streaming. It looks incredible. I really like the fact that the streaming players have the full complement of presets and settings available (including white balance and CMS). I don't know how this compares to other smart TV's, but I was very impressed to see this.

I have a solid wall of windows facing the tv. I do find that during the day with the blinds open, THX mode is a bit lacking in overall light output. In this case I'm currently using the standard preset with the settings modified (toned down) to get a punchier picture. The matte screen is the cats pajamas - it's the main reason I bought this TV, and it works great - zero reflections. There is of course some diffused glare during the day with the drapes open, but nothing can be done about that.
I have never been interested in 3D for home viewing, and did not purchase glasses. However, now that I've got it, I find myself wanting to check it out (funny how that works, isn't it?). So, I will be ordering some glasses sometime soon I'm sure. smile.gif

I believe you are correct about the processor, I seem to recall that this question was posted on LG's website, and the answer was "not dual core". I think this is most noticeable when trying to use the browser, it's really sluggish. About the same as my Logitech Revue. As much as I thought I would use the tv for browsing, I never do. I've had my revue for over a year and I never go online on the TV. Just seems silly to do so when the laptop is sitting on the end table right next to the couch...

Not much talk about the magic motion remote. I had prepared myself to despise that thing before I even purchased the TV. To my surprise, I find myself liking it for the most part. It's actually quicker to get through the menus using it. I set it up to control the cable box - works, but there are extra clicks involved. Tip: slow it down while you're getting used to it. At default speed, I was having trouble landing on my targets. I would suck at Wii I guess smile.gif

I will be doing a full meter-based calibration once I get plenty of hours on the set. Will post the results when I do. I'm in no hurry. I'll wait for it to get good and broken in - that way I won't have to re-do it in 6 weeks or so.
post #166 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post


Not much talk about the magic motion remote. I had prepared myself to despise that thing before I even purchased the TV. To my surprise, I find myself liking it for the most part. It's actually quicker to get through the menus using it. I set it up to control the cable box - works, but there are extra clicks involved. Tip: slow it down while you're getting used to it. At default speed, I was having trouble landing on my targets. I would suck at Wii I guess smile.gif

About the remote - once I got the TV setup, I searched the box all over again for the remote, thinking that the magic wand is a secondary/auxiliary unit!. However I am now fairly used to it and can control my cable box as well using it. For browser/app control though, I really like the LG app on my android device (Galaxy S2). Touch pad is awesome and I found the screen capture to be fun!
post #167 of 228
Cool. I'm going to have to try that app out - thanks for the tip!
post #168 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

Got a favor to ask of you fellow owners. I've got my 50PM9700 in an entertainment center. There's less than an inch of clearance on each side of the tv. I'm a bit concerned about the set running too hot.
I've discovered that the Host Diagnostics screen shows the "module temperature". Mine is running at 46 degrees C when it's fully warmed up. I'm wondering if those of you that have the tv set up with proper clearance for ventilation/air flow could check your temperature and report back.
To display the Host Diagnostics screen (must be done with an "old fashioned" remote, not the magic motion):
- press menu
- arrow down so that the "option" toolbox is highlighted on the left column
- press 1,1,1,1,1 on the remote
- press enter to exit the host diagnostics screen
A remote programmed for any recent LG tv will work for this. For example, this TV replaced a 2010 LG LCD, and the remotes I had programmed for that set work fine.

43° C after the TV has been on for about 2 hours. This is with the intelligent sensor enabled for adjusting brightness.
post #169 of 228
^Thanks Axoman

I've purchased a small fan to put behind the tv, it has lowered the temperature by 3 degrees C.
post #170 of 228
hi, seems the canadian LG site doesn't have this TV listed or any stores showing up carrying it:(
I probably don't want to go with the pm6700 if i can't get the pm9700.
I previously had a sammy c8000 but it suffered an accidental hit which cracked the screen.
would this tv be better then my previous c8000?
I would like to get this TV or a recommendation towards a "gaming" grade 3d TV, I loved the sammy while i had it & plasma seemed to be great for PC & console gaming.
I used the c8000 for SD TV & watch movies not too often.
THX in advance for any info on how this is for gaming.

edit: Lastly, am i better off with lets say a LG Cinema Screen 47/55LM7600,8600 which uses the passive 3D.
i saw this a few months ago @ a BB & the 3d was fairly impressive, i am just wondering on the compatibility of passive 3d for PC/console gaming.
I realize these are LCD but i would like what has the least crosstalk for 3d gaming since the c8000 had a bit of annoying cross talk..
Edited by OugaBooga - 11/5/12 at 9:23am
post #171 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

It is not possible to make adjustments to THX mode through the user menu.

Hi... You can unlock the THX Picture Settings, but it requires using a regular LG remote with keypad and entering an unlock code.




I would recommend purchasing a regular LG remote control like the AKB72914050 pictured above. It can be found on eBay. It's awesome, allows one button access to aspect ratio, 3D, Input, and Picture Settings. I use it for my LG LED along with the magic motion remote. The regular remote also allows you to change and adjust picture settings on the fly for apps like VUDU etc.

Just Press Menu > Picture > And Highlight THX Cinema or THX Bright Room in Red > Now press code 8741 from the remote controls keypad.

THX has to be highlighted in Red while already selected and sitting in the Picture menu, not while in the picture mode selection drop down box.

This will unlock the locked out THX picture settings so you can tweak them if needed.
Edited by badabing - 12/4/12 at 1:06pm
post #172 of 228
Hi, can soneone please answer these few questions about the PN9700;

(1) Does the built in web browser support Adobe Flash like the newer LG LEDs.. Can flash be turned on/off like in the led sets. And Is it pretty quick to load pages or painfully slow?

(2) How dark is the black color of the letterbox bars during a widescreen movie. I see that they can be "pot" tuned to a Blacker level in appearance. Has anyone remeasured the black level after this adjustment?

(3) How is the brightness level for being a plasma.. Do you feel the TV goes bright enough. Does it have the typical "dim white" plasma look. How close in picture brightness is it to a GT50 that's also THX certified?

(4) What color is the screen filter with the TV turned off. Pure Black, Charcoal, Med Grey, Smoke?

(5) Can you control aspect ratio in 3D like the passive LG LED's let you do? I would like to know if you can select Zoom in 3D to get rid of letterbox bars.

Thanks, I am thinking of exchanging my LG LED for this plasma due to flash-lighting in corners and unevenness of the panel at low levels.
Edited by badabing - 12/5/12 at 9:35am
post #173 of 228
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Hi, can soneone please answer these few questions about the PN9700;
(1) Dies the built in web browser support Adobe Flash like the newer LG LEDs.. Can flash be turned on/off like in the led sets. And Is it pretty quick to load pages or painfully slow?
(2) How dark is the black color of the letterbox bars during a widescreen movie. I see that they can be "pot" tuned to a Blacker level in appearance. Has anyone remeasured the black level after this adjustment?
(3) How is the brightness level for being a plasma.. Do you feel the TV goes bright enough. Does it have the typical "dim white" plasma look. How close in picture brightness is it to a GT50 that's also THX certified?
(4) What color is the screen filter with the TV turned off. Pure Black, Charcoal, Med Grey, Smoke?
(5) Can you control aspect ratio in 3D like the passive LG LED's let you do? I would like to know if you can select Zoom in 3D to get rid of letterbox bars.
Thanks, I am thinking of exchanging my LG LED for this plasma due to flash-lighting in corners and unevenness of the panel at low levels.

1) Flash is supported and it can be turned on/off. I would call page loading pretty sluggish, not painfully slow. I do not use browser - I fired it up when I first got the TV to make sure it worked, and I haven't used it since then until I checked on your questions here. smile.gif

2) Letterbox bars are lighter than on-screen content during dark scenes. I find this very distracting, it's my #1 complaint about the TV. I've contacted LG and they "don't consider this to be a problem". I don't think that pot-tuning would fix this because it's in the "no-signal" area of the screen. For instance, I can turn brightness down as much as I want and the black bars do not change.

3) I feel the overall brightness of the picture is very good. It will not get nearly as bright as your LED of course. I have no idea how it compares to a GT50 - would have to see them side by side or take measurements.

4) I guess I would have to choose "Charcoal" from the selections you list. This is mainly due to the matte finish, not the TruBlack filter.

5) I don't give a hoot about 3D, but I just turned it on to check - both Zoom and Cinema Zoom are disabled when 3D is turned on.

IMO - the only reason to consider purchasing this plasma over Panasonic or Samsung would be the matte screen, and this is only necessary depending on your viewing environment. It's the only reason I purchased the set. If activity in this thread is any indication, sales of this TV have been very disappointing for LG.

Thanks a bunch for the THX mode unlock code! biggrin.gif
post #174 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post


2) Letterbox bars are lighter than on-screen content during dark scenes. I find this very distracting, it's my #1 complaint about the TV. I've contacted LG and they "don't consider this to be a problem". I don't think that pot-tuning would fix this because it's in the "no-signal" area of the screen. For instance, I can turn brightness down as much as I want and the black bars do not change.

4) I guess I would have to choose "Charcoal" from the selections you list. This is mainly due to the matte finish, not the TruBlack filter.

Thanks a bunch for the THX mode unlock code! biggrin.gif

No problem, thank you for answering the questions... I have noticed a TV will only go as black as its screens filter (as seen when the TV is turned off). Sounds like the 9700 has the same charcoal tinted screen filter as the new Panasonic plasmas. Although in Matt finish.

*Can someone please post an up close photo of this TV showing a letterbox picture.
Edited by badabing - 12/6/12 at 6:09am
post #175 of 228
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I have noticed a TV will only go as black as its screens filter (as seen when the TV is turned off).

You really can't use this as a gage. Blacks on the PM9700 are much darker than the screen looks when the TV is off. MLL on this TV is good enough for me (.015fL). MLL measurements I've seen on the VT50 are around .008fL if I recall correctly - so even better.

I'll see if I can get a decent picture of the gray-ish letterbox bars.
post #176 of 228
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

You really can't use this as a gage. Blacks on the PM9700 are much darker than the screen looks when the TV is off. MLL on this TV is good enough for me (.015fL). MLL measurements I've seen on the VT50 are around .008fL if I recall correctly - so even better.
I'll see if I can get a decent picture of the gray-ish letterbox bars.

Thanks!
post #177 of 228
Well I tried, but my cheap camera just doesn't seem capable of capturing the letterbox bar issue.

To clarify a bit. It isn't like the bars are noticeably gray - in fact they are not a problem 95% of the time. It's only when the scene is really dark when I can notice the very faint glow of the letterbox bars.
post #178 of 228
Have the firmware updates resolved any issues that were on this model? I was looking at the Panasonics, however Amazon just dropped the price on this model making it look attractive to me.
post #179 of 228
Just received my 60PM9700 from Amazon this week and I'm loving it so far. Out of the box set it to THX video and then used the above mentioned menu unlock to tweak it to my liking.

One question, I have it hooked up to a Pioneer SC-1222-K but am only getting 2-CH Stereo over ARC. Is this normal? I can't get LG apps or DLNA streams to play anything in surround.
post #180 of 228
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Originally Posted by sabotage View Post

Just received my 60PM9700 from Amazon this week and I'm loving it so far. Out of the box set it to THX video and then used the above mentioned menu unlock to tweak it to my liking.

One question, I have it hooked up to a Pioneer SC-1222-K but am only getting 2-CH Stereo over ARC. Is this normal? I can't get LG apps or DLNA streams to play anything in surround.

Good to hear you are enjoying it! Did you get them to adjust the price? (They lowered the price a bunch this AM) What menu unlock are you referring to? Also, what is the actual width of the set? There are conflicting specs on that.
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