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post #511 of 1016
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Originally Posted by andyb22 View Post

I have 2 questions that I am looking for some answers if you guys could help me out. I am going to be building my mom and dad a computer with in the next month or so. All the use it for is going on the internet (facebook) and playing flash based web games. The questions I have for you. I am looking at the Intel G530 or the G620. Is there realistically going to be any difference at all for what they use a computer for. And my other question is what motherboard will be the best to get because I am going to put a SSD in it and want to get a motherboard that will take advantage of it. This is the board I was looking at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157236

Thanks for the help

Oh yeah. Totally.

Just make sure you use an SSD for the operating system.

It will be pleasantly fast and capable for them. Facebook and internet won't be a problem at all.

A $49 G620 is still tempting. for $10 or so... it always will be. Each 100mhz step up is probably worth $5-10 for your build. Going higher now will only mean more speed and time before you upgrade again. For $5 or $10 I see no reason not doing it if budget allows.

But- If you hit your budget wall please do know that the G530 is a nice little CPU and will work perfectly for what you want it to do.

Trust me... I have a G530, G620, G630, i3, i5, and i7.




You would be happy perfectly with the G530 for your intended use.
post #512 of 1016
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Originally Posted by andyb22 View Post

I have 2 questions that I am looking for some answers if you guys could help me out. I am going to be building my mom and dad a computer with in the next month or so. All the use it for is going on the internet (facebook) and playing flash based web games. The questions I have for you. I am looking at the Intel G530 or the G620. Is there realistically going to be any difference at all for what they use a computer for. And my other question is what motherboard will be the best to get because I am going to put a SSD in it and want to get a motherboard that will take advantage of it. This is the board I was looking at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157236

Thanks for the help

Nothing wrong with that board for the price and feature set.

It has SATAIII and USB3.0. It would match a G530 very nice.

I have a few of those. Nice boards.

The only downfall would be if your looking for more- for $10 you can get the B75 and $20 you get the 77 level chipset. These run faster DDR3 speeds and take higher level CPU's better.

If you really intend to get the G530 it's a non and issue and the board your choosing is perfect choice.

If you get a higher CPU you can run higher memory speeds and might want a chipset higher than the H61.

But for what you saying I think a G530 + that US3S Asrock H61 is a nice budget choice that will work nice for facebook and webgames. The important stuff is USB3.0 and SATA3 and it has both.
post #513 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Oh yeah. Totally.

Just make sure you use an SSD for the operating system.

It will be pleasantly fast and capable for them. Facebook and internet won't be a problem at all.

A $49 G620 is still tempting. for $10 or so... it always will be. Each 100mhz step up is probably worth $5-10 for your build. Going higher now will only mean more speed and time before you upgrade again. For $5 or $10 I see no reason not doing it if budget allows.

But- If you hit your budget wall please do know that the G530 is a nice little CPU and will work perfectly for what you want it to do.

Trust me... I have a G530, G620, G630, i3, i5, and i7.




You would be happy perfectly with the G530 for your intended use.

Where are you finding the g620 for $49?
post #514 of 1016
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Originally Posted by andyb22 View Post

Where are you finding the g620 for $49?

Microcenter. All day long everyday.
post #515 of 1016
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Originally Posted by andyb22 View Post

Where are you finding the g620 for $49?

If your not near a microcenter you can get it pretty cheap here too:

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G620

$51 with the $5 off your order over $25 w/code: ZAMBONI, ends 06/04/12

If you need a CPU cooler the Retail box is only 1$ more than the OEM and probably well worth that $1 just to have a fan.

Here is the retail edition of that. Same code for discount:
https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G620BOX
post #516 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Rexamus View Post

ECS H61H2-M2(1.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard is on sale again.

This model comes with GigaLan and is $14.99 after rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135288

One nice thing about this mobo is its size. This & other 3 slot mobos I noticed are typically smaller than those with 4 slots. This may help if you are trying to use a small case.
post #517 of 1016
Thanks @MFusick and @assassin for giving your perspective. It is nice to hear your viewpoints on 3 tiers of HTPCs. When you build your 1st HTPC you are a little naive and try to put best with in means.

But I liked the fact how you guys are pushing the envelope in getting the max performance/value per $ spent.
post #518 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

If your not near a microcenter you can get it pretty cheap here too:

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G620

$51 with the $5 off your order over $25 w/code: ZAMBONI, ends 06/04/12

If you need a CPU cooler the Retail box is only 1$ more than the OEM and probably well worth that $1 just to have a fan.

Here is the retail edition of that. Same code for discount:
https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G620BOX

Thanks for the heads up on Superbiiz.

You can have G530 Celerons dropped off on your front stoop ~$50. Besides 33% less cache and 200 MHz less CPU clock, what other limitations has Intel imposed on a Celeron vs Pentium for HTPC use?
post #519 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

If your not near a microcenter you can get it pretty cheap here too:

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G620

$51 with the $5 off your order over $25 w/code: ZAMBONI, ends 06/04/12

If you need a CPU cooler the Retail box is only 1$ more than the OEM and probably well worth that $1 just to have a fan.

Here is the retail edition of that. Same code for discount:
https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G620BOX

One small bit of info more, the shipping on the retail is about $5 more than the OEM. Still brings the total to about $8 *less* than Amazon or Newegg. I haven't found anything cheaper without having a Microcenter you can walk into.
post #520 of 1016
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One nice thing about this mobo is its size. This & other 3 slot mobos I noticed are typically smaller than those with 4 slots. This may help if you are trying to use a small case.

I have one in a normal full tower ATX case.

It looks quite undersized:




post #521 of 1016
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Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

Thanks for the heads up on Superbiiz.

You can have G530 Celerons dropped off on your front stoop ~$50. Besides 33% less cache and 200 MHz less CPU clock, what other limitations has Intel imposed on a Celeron vs Pentium for HTPC use?

You pretty much summed it up right there.

For a low budget it's a solid choice. Real world is not a significant difference from the G620.

You would have to make many more jumps up the Sandybridge line up, or jump to the IVY lineup before you start to see a difference.

I would say you certainly would see a noticeable difference with a 2500K i5 CPU. But- now you talking much higher price, quad core, more cache, more clock speed, and higher memory speed. It's probably mated to a better/higher performance motherboard for the more expensive variety too. Think Z68 type stuff.

So you talking about a $40 CPU and a $60 motherboard for a total investment of $100 vs a $200 CPU and a $120+ Motherboard for a total invested certainly of $300 or greater.

You should feel a difference in performance for triple the cost.

But from a G530 to a G620 that jump in performance is very small.

You did a good job explaining the difference.

I use a G530 CPU in the pictures above. That was my server about half completed.

I use a G630 in my HTPC in my bedroom.

I use a 2600k in my desktop.

They are all great I think for what they do.





The other problem is it's easy to justify the 200mhz, more or higher level of cache and higher memory speeds for $5-10. So when you see a great deal on the G620 and the G630 CPU at $49/$61 it makes a tough decision as those are both very high value too.

Bottom line is they are all great performers and values. I recommend buying the best one you can afford that does not excessively exceed your needs. Having a bit more CPU power or speed never hurt any HTPC.
post #522 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Having a bit more CPU power or speed never hurt any HTPC.

Right, but does it help?

If I am going to spend $10 more for CPU B over CPU A, CPU B has to provide some real tangible benefit. Take G530 vs. G620. For $10 more is the G620 going to provide any of the following for basic HTPC duties (watching video, TV, listening to music):

- Make audio sound better
- Make video look better
- Make some feature noticeably faster (like menus go faster, guide comes up faster, Windows boots faster, etc.)
- Have a better/quieter fan
- Use less electricity
- Throw less heat

I know what the actual spec differences are: 200Mhz, 1MB cache, benchmarks. The rest is the same: GPU, TDP, fan.

So, besides 200MHz, 1MB cache and a higher Passmark score, what am I getting for my extra $10? What in my HTPC experience will be better because I choose a G620 over a G530? How will I benefit?

I would argue I get absolutely nothing for my $10 -- no benefit for my HTPC usage whatsoever.
post #523 of 1016
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That's what I was saying. Difference is small but so is also cost difference.

Easy to be tempted to spend up.

It's more insurance just in case than anything else.

To some people 200mhz in processor CPU speed might be worth the 10$

I am not saying it is or it is not. Just saying both sides are correct.
post #524 of 1016
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

I know what the actual spec differences are: 200Mhz, 1MB cache, benchmarks. The rest is the same: GPU, TDP, fan.

So, besides 200MHz, 1MB cache and a higher Passmark score, what am I getting for my extra $10? What in my HTPC experience will be better because I choose a G620 over a G530? How will I benefit?

I would argue I get absolutely nothing for my $10 -- no benefit for my HTPC usage whatsoever.

What about G620 vs i3-2100? I'm trying to come up with some justification to spend $40 more. I so don't want to use Pentium agian.
post #525 of 1016
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Originally Posted by vkirienko View Post

What about G620 vs i3-2100? I'm trying to come up with some justification to spend $40 more.

3D support. QuickSync support (useful for encoding videos for portable devices).
post #526 of 1016
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Originally Posted by vkirienko View Post

I so don't want to use Pentium agian.

Isn't that justification enough? :P
post #527 of 1016
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Originally Posted by KevBel View Post

Isn't that justification enough? :P

This is just emotions. I like to operate on facts when money is involved. 3D and QuickSync support has no value for me right now but I'm not sure how it is going to be down the road.

Basicaly I debate between two setups right now:

1. G620 ($50) + cheap H61 MB ($50)
2. i3-2100 ($90) + H77 ($80-$90)

~$80 difference or 30% of total build cost
post #528 of 1016
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Originally Posted by vkirienko View Post

This is just emotions. I like to operate on facts when money is involved.

Basicaly I debate between two setups right now:

1. G620 ($50) + cheap H61 MB ($50)
2. i3-2100 ($90) + H77 ($80-$90)

~$80 difference or 30% of total build cost

I don't know much about H61 vs H77 but, as lovejedd said, i3 means you can playback 3D.

I've got a H61 and a G530 in my brand new HTPC, so I'd probably get the G620 if I were you. Then you can put the 80$ towards better audio, TV, TV stand, wireless keyboard/mouse/trackpad/remote or whatever :P
post #529 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

That's what I was saying. Difference is small but so is also cost difference.

Easy to be tempted to spend up.

It's more insurance just in case than anything else.

To some people 200mhz in processor CPU speed might be worth the 10$

I am not saying it is or it is not. Just saying both sides are correct.

I am just not as wishy-washy as this. I am saying it's not.

What's going to run at 2.6Ghz and not at 2.4GHz? What insurance am I buying? $10 is 25% of the cost of the G530 so it is a big price difference. G530 + 12-pack of Smuttynose IPA = G620 .

For 25% more cost what do I get? Nada. Marketing and a different sticker.

At least when you go up to i3 you get 3D and QuickSync -- if those are features you'd use in your HTPC then there is some benefit then.
post #530 of 1016
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post


I am just not as wishy-washy as this. I am saying it's not.

What's going to run at 2.6Ghz and not at 2.4GHz? What insurance am I buying? $10 is 25% of the cost of the G530 so it is a big price difference. G530 + 12-pack of Smuttynose IPA = G620 .

For 25% more cost what do I get? Nada. Marketing and a different sticker.

At least when you go up to i3 you get 3D and QuickSync -- if those are features you'd use in your HTPC then there is some benefit then.

You had me at IPA.
post #531 of 1016
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

3D support. QuickSync support (useful for encoding videos for portable devices).

Anyone here actually using QuickSync though? I have it on my i3-2100 HTPC, but could not find any decent easy to use apps that made use of it. Leastways, I could not find any free apps, and did not want to spend the money required for the few non-free apps that offered limited QuickSync usage and other functionality I did not need, particularly since I already had Adobe CS5 on my video editing rig. I thought by now QuickSync would have taken off and been used by many apps, but seems not the case, or has that changed and now there are a good selection of apps that leverage QuickSync?
post #532 of 1016
Saw this on Slickdeals and thought it was a pretty good deal:

Newegg offers a $35 instant discount on a combo purchase of the OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) and the OCZ ZT Series 550W Fully-Modular 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply [newegg.com]

There is a $10 rebate on the SSD and a $20 rebate on the PSU. Rebates and combo discount expire 6/15
post #533 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Joeforsale View Post

Saw this on Slickdeals and thought it was a pretty good deal:

Newegg offers a $35 instant discount on a combo purchase of the OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) and the OCZ ZT Series 550W Fully-Modular 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply [newegg.com]

There is a $10 rebate on the SSD and a $20 rebate on the PSU. Rebates and combo discount expire 6/15

Good price if you need both.

Neither are top shelf products, but for that price it's hard to beat them up.

I personally would get a different/better product separate. But it would certainly cost me more too.

Just personal preference.

Value is in that deal for sure. That's cheap for a SSD and PSU of that size.
post #534 of 1016
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Originally Posted by KevBel View Post

I don't know much about H61 vs H77 but, as lovejedd said, i3 means you can playback 3D.

I've got a H61 and a G530 in my brand new HTPC, so I'd probably get the G620 if I were you. Then you can put the 80$ towards better audio, TV, TV stand, wireless keyboard/mouse/trackpad/remote or whatever :P

77 can run faster clock memory speed. Like 1600mhz. H61 by default can not.

This becomes issue as you raise above basic G530 as the higher level CPU can run and benefit from faster memory speed and also the higher performance of the newer chipset motherboard. Additionally.. you can get into more features and overclockability and such in the higher level stuff.

Not that you need it for a basic HTPC but certainly there is a reason why stuff costs more- and for some there might be a reason to purchase that.

I would never use an H61 myself for a main desktop, but I have problem using for a cheap second PC someplace.

It would be a great basic machine for internet, facebook and such like the poster above asked about.
I would recommend it without hesitation for that type of application.
post #535 of 1016
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

I am just not as wishy-washy as this. I am saying it's not.

What's going to run at 2.6Ghz and not at 2.4GHz? What insurance am I buying? $10 is 25% of the cost of the G530 so it is a big price difference. G530 + 12-pack of Smuttynose IPA = G620 .

For 25% more cost what do I get? Nada. Marketing and a different sticker.

At least when you go up to i3 you get 3D and QuickSync -- if those are features you'd use in your HTPC then there is some benefit then.

Don't you have an i3?

You ever ran 3D with it ?

I am not wishy washy. I just think the decision is hard to make universally across the board. I just leave it up to the individual on that one.

I certainly don't think any of the options are bad choices.

Perhaps it's me- but to me $10 for 200mhz CPU speed, more cache and a faster memory speed seems worth it possibly. $10 is not a big deal relative to most people's lives, other areas they spend money, or even in the total cost of a PC. While small.. there is still a speed difference between to the two CPU's. I don't doubt the G530 is up to the task for basic stuff, but I also don't doubt the G620 is still marginally quicker as CPU oriented tasks.

For $10 I choose to leave it up to the buyer.

in comparison- I got married May 18th in clearwater FL. I bought more than a few drinks @ $10 each all week long without regrets. I have little to show for that. $10 for a faster CPU I probably will own a few years hardly seems wasteful.

Note: I am not saying either is really a right choice or wrong choice, nor am I recommending against G530. I am just not recommending against the G620/G630 either. I see people put in i3 and i5 all the time, so hardly could $10 on a pentium level CPU be considered wasteful.

I think I said many times previously my like and recommendation for the G530. For someone like the poster above asking about a cheap PC for parents for facebook, webgames, and email- it's a great choice!

But,
I am not going to throw out a universal recommendation for the G530 across all purchase decisions, nor not recommend a G620/G630 saying it's wasteful. I bought up to the G630 for mine. It was about $15 total price more than the G530 as the time I bought it and for me it seemed worth it. I will probably even upgrade that to IVY i5 at some point if I find an amazing deal on one, but certainly I am in no rush.

@ stardog - I agree with you basically 95% BTW.
post #536 of 1016
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

- Use less electricity
- Throw less heat

I know what the actual spec differences are: 200Mhz, 1MB cache, benchmarks. The rest is the same: GPU, TDP, fan.

So, besides 200MHz, 1MB cache and a higher Passmark score, what am I getting for my extra $10? What in my HTPC experience will be better because I choose a G620 over a G530? How will I benefit?

I would argue I get absolutely nothing for my $10 -- no benefit for my HTPC usage whatsoever.

I guess this is a question on my part, but I was under the impression that TDP is a maximum expected rating. If you are getting 2.6 GHz for the same energy expenditure as 2.4 GHz, won't your system use less heat under the same load? I don't think their idle draw power is much different, but during usage you would be utilizing less of your cpu and require less cooling to accomplish the same tasks. I would think RAM utilization follows the same logic. Right?
post #537 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

I guess this is a question on my part, but I was under the impression that TDP is a maximum expected rating. If you are getting 2.6 GHz for the same energy expenditure as 2.4 GHz, won't your system use less heat under the same load? I don't think their idle draw power is much different, but during usage you would be utilizing less of your cpu and require less cooling to accomplish the same tasks.

Given the very minimal differences, power consumption of the G530 and G620 at both idle and load would probably be very, very, very close (+/-1W difference at most).
post #538 of 1016
each additional Watt at 20 hrs/wk comes to 1.1 kWh difference per year, so I could see the additional $10 never being recouped.

I'm fairly jaded from my parents first PC being a Covington instead of PII, so I'll likely never by a Celeron again for personal use. Pentium hits the budget mark just fine for me.
post #539 of 1016
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

each additional Watt at 20 hrs/wk comes to 1.1 kWh difference per year, so I could see the additional $10 never being recouped.

I'm fairly jaded from my parents first PC being a Covington instead of PII, so I'll likely never by a Celeron again for personal use. Pentium hits the budget mark just fine for me.

Just found a review comparing a G5x0 and G6x0. Basically no difference in power consumption. For $10 difference though, I don't think it matters whichever processor you go with.

post #540 of 1016
The time and energy used to discuss the difference between processors has just surpassed the difference between processors as measured in time and energy. Kudos to both sides for having the fortitude to be steadfast in a matter others dismiss as inconsequential. Just kidding.
p.s. My box is better than yours.
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