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Did you get it all done in one class period? And did it post?biggrin.gif

Yes, and yes. It was fun and the kids enjoyed it. I also had enough time to install Windows 7 Pro from a USB flash key and show the Windows 7 desktop.
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Oh, I would also personally avoid the OCZ Petrol and Octane, which use what OCZ calls the Indilinx Everest controller. In reality it's a Marvel controller (basically the same as used in the Plextor, Crucial and some Intel models like the 510) but uses new Indilinx written firmware. The reviews have not been good, and I think that's reflected in the real fire-sale prices you can find on the Petrols. I can't figure out why someone would take a perfectly well-performing controller and write new bad firmware for it, but that seems to be what OCZ did with these models (they bought Indilinx last fall and apparently wanted to get some product with the Indilinx name on it out the door).

Today only, PC Connection has the OCZ Petrol PTL1-25SAT3-128G 128GB SSD for $59.99.
Based on your advice, I should take a pass?

This is for my HTPC which is also used for everyday computing.
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But the point is that at idle and under light loads like watching video (and in contrast to previous generations of processors where quad cores were generally power hogging heat monsters) these new chips use almost the identical amount of power even though they represent a vast range of processing power.
So, for an HTPC, it's doubtful that you pay any significant penalty in terms of heat/cooling/noise to use an i5 rather than an i3 because for most of what you would be doing they're going to use about the same power. And for those few processing power intensive HTPC tasks like encoding, you'll obviously get the job done quicker (although then you will be using more wattage and generating more heat).
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If CoreTemp's readings for CPU wattage draw are to be believed, my i3-2100T draws 4.0w at idle. The i7-2600k draws 5.4w at idle. 5.4/4.0 = 1.35, so the i7 draws 35% more, and likely has 35% more heat to dissipate at idle. I didn't do any tests of other common HTPC tasks. Sure, overall system heat/power use is largely unaffected when you consider an entire system will be drawing ~40w at the wall. But just talking CPU use and the ability to cool it, if you're trying to build a silent system (especially in a cramped case/cramped a/v rack), you might as well purchase only the CPU horsepower you need even if it is less than you can afford.

On top of that, the title of this thread is "Cheapest ever HTPC..." so it seems rather contradictory to suggest buying more CPU than you need considering the additional cost ("Cheap" part of the thread title) and extra effort/noise ("HTPC" part of the thread title -- as HTPCs are often synonymous with quiet) for cooling.

On the other hand, this thread has opened my eyes to the possibility of later moving my i7 to my server which runs 24x7. Given that the overall power usage at idle would be insignificantly higher even for 24x7 use, and given that the environment where it runs there are no noise/heat concerns, it is not unreasonable to do an upgrade should my requirements for my server change to include on-the-fly trans-coding of video content.

But yes, your point is well taken. These new chips are amazing in their efficiency. Imagine what Haswell will bring us...
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Today only, PC Connection has the OCZ Petrol PTL1-25SAT3-128G 128GB SSD for $59.99.
Based on your advice, I should take a pass?
This is for my HTPC which is also used for everyday computing.

That's up to you. That certainly is dirt cheap. And it looks like they're selling a lot of Petrols at really cheap prices virtually everywhere. But there seems (at least to me) to be an inordinate number of reports of DOA or dying-shortly-thereafters.

Personally, I'd probably pass, but that's just me, and I probably tend to be overly cautious about these things. Since I haven't used one, I can't give you any direct experience or any better advice.
post #575 of 1016
What's the ideal motherboard to pair with the g620? The primary use will be for playing MKV. Files through WMC or XBMC. I would like to bitstream 7.1 audio as well. Thanks!
Edited by azula - 6/6/12 at 3:38pm
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Any H61/H67 board will work.
I run the ASRock H67M (b3) and it's been a great MB so far.
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What's the ideal motherboard to pair with the g620? The primary use will be for playing MKV. Files through WMC or XBMC. I would like to bitstream 7.1 audio as well. Thanks!

Just make sur it has HDMI output and enough SATA ports for your needs.
post #578 of 1016
Well, since I really shoulden't be buying ANYTHING right now, guess I'll pass then. I'm just so dang sick of my computer taking 10 minutes to boot!
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thanks for the responses guys. i will take a look at the H67 board.
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OCZ VTX3-25SAT3-120G Vertex 3 Solid State Drive - 120GB .....$89 after MIR
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I installed the AVerHDTV Duet tuner card and it works quite well. I can record 2 programs while playing a 3rd previously recorded program, just like a Comcast or Dish DVR. Of course I only get OTA ATSC channels. CPU usage when doing all this is mainly 20% to 25%, most of that from playing back a recording. Recording a single program the usage typically jumps around between 3% - 8%.

Previously I took notes on what I watched over a 4 week period & and 80% was OTA programing. I keep thinking about dropping Dish, but I would miss some channels. Some stuff is on Hulu, but not in HD. Will wait & see how things play out.
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I installed the AVerHDTV Duet tuner card and it works quite well. I can record 2 programs while playing a 3rd previously recorded program, just like a Comcast or Dish DVR. Of course I only get OTA ATSC channels. CPU usage when doing all this is mainly 20% to 25%, most of that from playing back a recording. Recording a single program the usage typically jumps around between 3% - 8%.
Previously I took notes on what I watched over a 4 week period & and 80% was OTA programing. I keep thinking about dropping Dish, but I would miss some channels. Some stuff is on Hulu, but not in HD. Will wait & see how things play out.

Cable and Sat providers suck... Free yourself.
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Cable and Sat providers suck... Free yourself.

I thought this too last month and dropped cabTV. Now I regret it. Hulu Plus looked like a great alternative, but in the end it's sub par at best. Most the newer content is clips only. I new going into it that the the newer shows on HGTV, Food network and what not would air a week or so late and that was OK with me, it just never airs and the full episodes are a year or two old. Why do I want to pay $7.99 a month to watch a bunch of clips? Now if you're a "Family guy" fan then you're all set, but I'm not paying $7.99 for that either.
I'm like you Mfusick. I don't like the cable co. either, but the reality is online streaming just isn't there quite yet. I think in another year or two Hulu will be great though.
I think I'm going to pick up a Hauppauge or Ceton tuner box and get an M-card. At least I can still stick to them by not using their crappy DVR.biggrin.gif
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I thought this too last month and dropped cabTV. Now I regret it. Hulu Plus looked like a great alternative, but in the end it's sub par at best. Most the newer content is clips only. I new going into it that the the newer shows on HGTV, Food network and what not would air a week or so late and that was OK with me, it just never airs and the full episodes are a year or two old. Why do I want to pay $7.99 a month to watch a bunch of clips? Now if you're a "Family guy" fan then you're all set, but I'm not paying $7.99 for that either.
I'm like you Mfusick. I don't like the cable co. either, but the reality is online streaming just isn't there quite yet. I think in another year or two Hulu will be great though.
I think I'm going to pick up a Hauppauge or Ceton tuner box and get an M-card. At least I can still stick to them by not using their crappy DVR.biggrin.gif

I took me about 3-4 months of having just the ClearQAM channels to succumb and get a SD HDHR Prime and resubscribe. I need my Bruins and House Hunters wink.gif.
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I took me about 3-4 months of having just the ClearQAM channels to succumb and get a SD HDHR Prime and resubscribe. I need my Bruins and House Hunters wink.gif.

Bruins fan huh ??

Celtics and Patriots too ?

Your almost a M*******.. haha
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Bruins fan huh ??
Celtics and Patriots too ?
Your almost a M*******.. haha

What makes you think I'm not smile.gif.
post #588 of 1016
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Bruins fan huh

Surely neither of you are referring to Ice Hockey, since neither of your locations indicate that you reside in Canada.

Must be referring to the UCLA Bruins, somewhat solid football team of the past still capable of many upsets due to their low preseason rankings in the current BCS system
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Surely neither of you are referring to Ice Hockey, since neither of your locations indicate that you reside in Canada.
Must be referring to the UCLA Bruins, somewhat solid football team of the past still capable of many upsets due to their low preseason rankings in the current BCS system

You wouldn't be from Vancouver, would you? wink.gif
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69$ Vertex 3 120GB SSD today @ egg saver newegg promo btw

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-20-227-706-_-06182012_1
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I checked my economy build HTPC's power usage using a Kill A Watt meter.

1 watt when powered off.
2 watts in sleep mode.
37 watts when on.
38 watts when recording an OTA program.

I did notice in sleep mode the P.F. (power factor) was very low & varied between .25 and .31. While the wattage was only 2 watts, the VA was 10 and the amperage varied between .07 to .08 amps. I don't recall ever seeing such a poor P.F. for anything I've ever checked.
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I checked my economy build HTPC's power usage using a Kill A Watt meter.
1 watt when powered off.
2 watts in sleep mode.
37 watts when on.
38 watts when recording an OTA program.
I did notice in sleep mode the P.F. (power factor) was very low & varied between .25 and .31. While the wattage was only 2 watts, the VA was 10 and the amperage varied between .07 to .08 amps. I don't recall ever seeing such a poor P.F. for anything I've ever checked.

The poor power factor might just be a result of the system drawing basically no real power and having some smoothing capacitors at the PSU's input.

Here's a nice explanation of what power factor represent : http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/3.html
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For the purely inductive circuit, the power factor is zero, because true power equals zero. [...] The same could be said for a purely capacitive circuit. If there are no dissipative (resistive) components in the circuit, then the true power must be equal to zero, making any power in the circuit purely reactive.
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I posted the Vertex3 for cheaper...

Agility is limited to speeds of 50MB per channel... while Vertex can hit 200MB per channel... It's Async vs Sync ONFi Nand...

Vertex3 = much faster than agility.
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The poor power factor might just be a result of the system drawing basically no real power and having some smoothing capacitors at the PSU's input.
Here's a nice explanation of what power factor represent : http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/3.html
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For the purely inductive circuit, the power factor is zero, because true power equals zero. [...] The same could be said for a purely capacitive circuit. If there are no dissipative (resistive) components in the circuit, then the true power must be equal to zero, making any power in the circuit purely reactive.

Thanks for the link.

Previously I checked my HP desktop & it was 2 watts in sleep mode also, but I never checked the power factor. Now I'm curious & will have to take a look at that too.
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Is that a good SSD?

I got that email this morning and just might get it.
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Is that a good SSD?
I got that email this morning and just might get it.

It's more a good value than anything else.

It's very fast and performs well, but some feel OCZ is not best for reliability.

For $69 I think it's a steal, and certainly as fast and high performance as any other 120/128GB drive out there.

I mean- you can buy two for the price of some other 128GB drive prices.

LOW PRICE is what this one is about.
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