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I can understand the point Howie was trying to make a few weeks ago, re: original material and the audience voting for you. Personally, I thought that Wordspit and the Illest was a very good band, but being a good band isn't enough to get voted for. You have to play what's popular. Even popular musicians today don't go to a concert and expect to play new material to raving crowds. Bruce Springsteen will play 3 hours of his greatest hits, because that's what the fans want to hear.
After checking out a few youtube videos, I think Wordspit and the Illest is definitely good enough to have a record deal, and get some major airplay on the radio. Whether or not they come back as a wildcard and win this contest, some producer out there is going to hear them and give them that opportunity. Although, they may need to tone down the "Wordspit" and focus more on "the Illest".

I would have sent them thru .. the original tune was a risk, but pretty good none the less .. I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that the panel says they want originality, yet when a band or singer pulls something out, it's not as well received as a guy being shot out of a giant cannon ..

I thought Howies quip, something to the effect of "He should be shot out of Nick Cannon" was hilarious ..
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I would have sent them thru .. the original tune was a risk, but pretty good none the less .. I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that the panel says they want originality, yet when a band or singer pulls something out, it's not as well received as a guy being shot out of a giant cannon ..
I thought Howies quip, something to the effect of "He should be shot out of Nick Cannon" was hilarious ..
Oh, absolutely. I would have sent them through, too. My "picks" the last several weeks weren't who I thought were the best acts, just the ones that I thought America was going to vote for. America is stupid. Luckily, there is a wildcard round and some of these acts are coming back.
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...and all of the above gained fame by writing and performing their own material (and adding their own unique personality), not by simply doing covers of existing work.
I can understand the point Howie was trying to make a few weeks ago, re: original material and the audience voting for you. Personally, I thought that Wordspit and the Illest was a very good band, but being a good band isn't enough to get voted for. You have to play what's popular. Even popular musicians today don't go to a concert and expect to play new material to raving crowds. Bruce Springsteen will play 3 hours of his greatest hits, because that's what the fans want to hear.

But you missed the point. All of the duos listed in this thread gained fame doing their own stuff. Even Springsteen doing his greatest hits is doing his material, not someone else's. Does the duo in question have any original material? Dunno, and it's irrelevant to my point. They were doing covers, yet being compared to duos that did their own stuff. No biggie......
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Or, pay to see an adolescent boy sing a classic Latin love song (and have Sharon call it Mariachi) while coming only semi-close to half of the notes.

I'm glad someone else saw it that way.....I couldn't believe how the judges were raving how "perfect" his singing was when it sounded to me like he missed A LOT of notes. I wondered how he could have sounded THAT much better live. I would have had him gone before he even made the top 48, so it worked out in the end for me.
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I'm glad someone else saw it that way.....I couldn't believe how the judges were raving how "perfect" his singing was when it sounded to me like he missed A LOT of notes. I wondered how he could have sounded THAT much better live. I would have had him gone before he even made the top 48, so it worked out in the end for me.

I am in total agreement here. His singing was not good at all. Add to that the song Besame Mucho which translates to 'kiss me a lot' is much too old for his tender young age.
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But you missed the point. All of the duos listed in this thread gained fame doing their own stuff. Even Springsteen doing his greatest hits is doing his material, not someone else's. Does the duo in question have any original material? Dunno, and it's irrelevant to my point. They were doing covers, yet being compared to duos that did their own stuff. No biggie......

All artists at the beginning of their career do covers .. they have to to make any money .. no one wants to hire a band or a singer that plays stuff no one heard of .. that was my point ..
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All artists at the beginning of their career do covers .. they have to to make any money .. no one wants to hire a band or a singer that plays stuff no one heard of .. that was my point ..
Exactly. Look, I'm defending original content. I really am. But this is a television show that boils down to a popularity contest. There are fantastic musicians out there making their own beautiful music that can go their entire lives and not get picked up for a recording contract. The bands that get picked up and get radio airplay all start out as cover bands.
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Exactly. Look, I'm defending original content. I really am. But this is a television show that boils down to a popularity contest. There are fantastic musicians out there making their own beautiful music that can go their entire lives and not get picked up for a recording contract. The bands that get picked up and get radio airplay all start out as cover bands.

Sad but very true .. like I said before, I would have sent Illist thru, and maybe they still have a shot, who knows .. one of the beefs that many aspiring performers have are the competition shows for exactly the reason you mentioned .. it is more a popularity contest than talent contest .. I like to think AGT is the one show that's mostly about talent, as well as The Voice to a lesser extent ..

I'd like to see a show where the panel is blindfolded or unable to see the performer, the audience can't see them and the folks at home can't see them .. until at least a semi final round ..

I've worked around singers and musicians most of my life and many, many hit makers from days gone by would not fare well on these shows or in the music biz in general .. these days, unless you are very good looking with a TV type personality, a great agent and throw a little controversy in for good measure, you're going nowhere .. and even if you do go somewhere, most last about 5 minutes ..
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I'm glad someone else saw it that way.....I couldn't believe how the judges were raving how "perfect" his singing was when it sounded to me like he missed A LOT of notes. I wondered how he could have sounded THAT much better live. I would have had him gone before he even made the top 48, so it worked out in the end for me.

I am in total agreement here. His singing was not good at all. Add to that the song Besame Mucho which translates to 'kiss me a lot' is much too old for his tender young age.

Well, it was written by a 22 year old female who had never been kissed because, "kissing was considered a sin." How times change.
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Well, it was written by a 22 year old female who had never been kissed because, "kissing was considered a sin." How times change.

I couldn’t help but chuckle at times during the song because the lyrics didn’t match the experience with the age. This has happened before with other very young singers and it just doesn’t work for me. Sing practically any song; just don’t sing a love song.

The judges tend to be far less cutting with their comments on younger acts, and I think that is what happened in the case with Sebastien. He butchered the song, but there isn’t any need to destroy someone’s confidence and embarrass them in front of a national audience when they are so young.

Regarding Eric and Olivia; I thought I remembered Eric saying he wrote one or two of the songs they performed. I could be wrong, but I thought I recall him saying that.
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Well, it was written by a 22 year old female who had never been kissed because, "kissing was considered a sin." How times change.

True that, but, Sebastien is barely 10 years old. Unless puberty is starting very early these days kissing girls is the last thing on his mind....
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I am in total agreement here. His singing was not good at all. Add to that the song Besame Mucho which translates to 'kiss me a lot' is much too old for his tender young age.
That song was a bad choice in my opinion. He did miss a lot of notes, but I was hoping he would make through. I love mariachi music and Sebastian is from San Antonio, where I live. I think he did a lot better doing the songs at the higher notes because that's where his power is. I think he has a lot of potential, but he does need to work more at hitting the right notes. It's a lot easier to hear the bad notes on TV than hearing them when they are in person because of the sound systems they are using. His performance, however, showed those who are not familiar with Mariachi music what it really is. Like Howard Stern, said, that he had only heard them at restaurants. That's what most people think mariachi music is. But the top mariachis are excellent musicians. High schools in Texas have mariachis just like they have a marching band. They are taught by educated music teachers. Some mariachis also perform with symphony bands. I know because I've seen them do it in person.
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As I mentioned some time back on the thread .. yet was poo pooed as a ploy ..
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^^^

You have to admit the timing was suspect and no details were given (it has taken over 2 weeks), and it isn’t beyond networks or ‘stars’ to try and generate controversy to gain attention, so it wasn’t that big of a stretch. Who knows; money, a little schmoozing of the ego, money, an apology, along with money, can placate sensitive egos. It wouldn’t surprise me if Sharon and the network, at some point, say it was a big misunderstanding and they move on to next season.

BTW, you aren’t getting sensitive because a couple of people questioned the legitimacy of that link you posted, are you? tongue.gifwink.gifbiggrin.gif
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You have to admit the timing was suspect and no details were given (it has taken over 2 weeks), and it isn’t beyond networks or ‘stars’ to try and generate controversy to gain attention, so it wasn’t that big of a stretch. Who knows; money, a little schmoozing of the ego, money, an apology, along with money, can placate sensitive egos. It wouldn’t surprise me if Sharon and the network at some point say it was a big misunderstanding and they move on to next season.
BTW, you aren’t getting sensitive because a couple of people questioned the legitimacy of that link you posted, are you? tongue.gifwink.gifbiggrin.gif

I know anything can happen and these type annoucements are always suspect .. this year seems like the year of the judge change for whatever reason .. and, maybe she'll stay .. I'm just betting she goes .. wink.gif
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I could have sworn I read an article two weeks ago about Sharon saying that she wanted to leave AGT due to Jack's issues with NBC. This didn't strike me as "new".
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Well, watching tonight, Sharon Osborne's eye makeup looks like Tammy Faye. Maybe she could quit AGT and move over to Christian television.
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Howie continues to hype this as a great season for talent-despite another lackluster night with barely enough talent to fill the top 4 spots. If not for the previous week's crowded roster, this year's AGT would be a disaster. At least we probably won't have to worry about anyone from tonight's show needing to be brought back for the wildcard.

They could have the 8 acts who didn't make it from the week before the Olympics all come back for the wildcard show-and still have room for 4 more acts.
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The only good act from the Youtube was the first one with the bird. Wow, that was pretty cool how the bird did that, not sure how he trained it to know to fly down and into the other building but gotta give the guy props. Without seeing what else his act can do, not sure it is a vegas act or not.
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Quoting Mr. Fantastic from last season: "what a disaster!" (using same voice and pitch) of a show..

Agreed that this season is lining up to be the worst ever... not only of who remained but the worst judging (by picking up who remains), producing and camera directing ever.
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Howie continues to hype this as a great season for talent-despite another lackluster night with barely enough talent to fill the top 4 spots.

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Well, he is making a living off the show so I can undertand him hyping it up but really........might want to ease up on the energy drinks there Howie wink.gif

Barely enough talent? Not even close to enough, IMHO none of these acts is getting past the semi's, far too many far better acts have been chopped. The producers might want to reconsider how they do the lineups, get a little more consistency in the overall talent level on each show.

This "Wow, they should all make it!" one week to "Wow, they all sucked!" the next just isn't cutting it.......
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Like I've said before, America may be running out of talent .. of all the YouTube acts out there, this is as good as it gets .. ?? I should apply to be a talent scout ..

In all fairness, I'll hope things get stepped up in the next rounds ..

I thought the bird was stupid .. what possible long term act could be done with that .. ?? And the panel glowing over how great it was .. ?? Come on .. especially Howard ..

Sharon has always worn heavy makeup .. when I was at the live auditions, she had a makeup person come out every 5 minutes .. and she uses it from her forehead down to her cleavage ..
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Like I've said before, America may be running out of talent .. of all the YouTube acts out there, this is as good as it gets .. ?? I should apply to be a talent scout ..
In all fairness, I'll hope things get stepped up in the next rounds ..
I thought the bird was stupid .. what possible long term act could be done with that .. ?? And the panel glowing over how great it was .. ?? Come on .. especially Howard ..
The bird act is amazing to see. Lots of things can go wrong with animals. I agree, I don't see this as anything but an entertaining curiosity with nowhere to go. But I'll take entertaining curiosities without any long term potential over the dreck that we were subjected to last night. Air guitar?
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The bird act is amazing to see. Lots of things can go wrong with animals. I agree, I don't see this as anything but an entertaining curiosity with nowhere to go. But I'll take entertaining curiosities without any long term potential over the dreck that we were subjected to last night. Air guitar?

It's a trained bird flying to a guy that's calling out for it .. I guess I just don't get it ..

The air guitar guy was a new low .. remember last season (or maybe it was the one before) they had an Air Band .. ??
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I thought Academy of Villains had that spark that Howard has been looking for from a Dance Group. Since this is our only chance seeing them, 90 seconds isn't much to go on; but they crammed a lot in to those 90 seconds. Due to the poor camera placement by the director, it was a little difficult to tell what was going on, but the bits I saw were impressive, especially since they went after 7 in Unison. The criticism that 7 in Unison received was mostly due to not having a featured performer, instead relying on the synchronization of their act.

What was up with that comedienne? She was the "featured Youtube" comedian? Her jokes were terrible. It wasn't even the delivery... the jokes were terrible. She said that it's hard to condense a set into 90 seconds, and that her strength is typically one-liners... but that doesn't make sense. All of those jokes were essentially one-liners. I'd love to see a comedian like Mitch Hedburg, who could rattle off enough one-liners in 90 seconds to keep you laughing for days.

Academy of Villains
Bria Kelly
Magic of Puck
Drew Erwin

and probably Reverse Order will make it to the top 5. Unless America really likes the bird guy, but I just don't see it. 7 in Unison also wasn't as terrible as the rest of the night.

And that's basically down to the fact that the comedian, bells guy, the air guitar guy, and the foam snake guy are guaranteed to not advance. I actually kind of liked Rudy Coby, but his act did kind of draw on too long, and was a little short on the illusion. I don't even know how he did it, it was pretty cool.
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It's a trained bird flying to a guy that's calling out for it .. I guess I just don't get it ..
The air guitar guy was a new low .. remember last season (or maybe it was the one before) they had an Air Band .. ??

From across the street, up a tall building, trained to free fall the entire height, through a specific door, through an auditurium, to him. No way that bird heard him from that height, across the street into a building, and into an auditurium. Like I said, it was cool to see the bird do it, but no way can that be a whole show, it would have to be an entire act around other things he can get his birds to do. Plus, that would never really come across well in a vegas act anyway, they would have to watch it on a TV screen until it flew into the building.
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From across the street, up a tall building, trained to free fall the entire height, through a specific door, through an auditurium, to him. No way that bird heard him from that height, across the street into a building, and into an auditurium. Like I said, it was cool to see the bird do it, but no way can that be a whole show, it would have to be an entire act around other things he can get his birds to do. Plus, that would never really come across well in a vegas act anyway, they would have to watch it on a TV screen until it flew into the building.

If the bird was trained to do that specific flight, which I assume it was, then why does the guy need to call it at all .. ?? I'm not saying it was not a well trained bird .. maybe they can use it on Game of Thrones .. wink.gif .. I'm saying it was a stupid act .. and it flies (pun intended) in the face of Howards commitment to "Vegas Million Dollar Acts" .. Big Barry would be more of a Vegas act than this bird ..

Don't get me wrong, we've seen worse this season .. eek.gif
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If the bird was trained to do that specific flight, which I assume it was, then why does the guy need to call it at all .. ?? I'm not saying it was not a well trained bird .. maybe they can use it on Game of Thrones .. wink.gif .. I'm saying it was a stupid act .. and it flies (pun intended) in the face of Howards commitment to "Vegas Million Dollar Acts" .. Big Barry would be more of a Vegas act than this bird ..
Don't get me wrong, we've seen worse this season .. eek.gif
This is hardly a night where Howard went soft on the criticism-he really let some of them have it. Considering how bad the night was overall, it was quite refreshing that someone was being honest about the poor quality of the acts.
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