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post #61 of 105
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

so no burn-in
games (rite now) about 10%
TV= 80-90%
right now I can't watch my blu-rays because the aspect ratios cause the bars. I haven't found any way to remedy this problem either via TV or BD Player.
You can adjust the aspect ratio of the ST60 to fill the entire screen.
post #62 of 105
Burn-in: No
Model Number: 2012 60ST50
Number of Hours: 1200 hours
Break-in performed: Yes 336 hours of Slides and Full Screen Viewing
Usage: 15% Gaming; 15% Letterbox Movies; 70% Full Screen TV & Movies
Settings: Professionally calibrated via Custom mode around the 400hr mark.

Compared to my LCD, I feel that I baby this TV and have gotten into the habit of running the Disney WOW pixel flipper overnight every two weeks. I don’t mind though as the colors and PQ are awesome. I will increase my use of the pixel flipper to once a week during the NFL season as I’ll spend a lot more time watching programming with sports banners.
post #63 of 105
Hey, this is like a bunch of people sharing horror stories at camp. Someone grab the marshmallows!

Burn-in - NO
Model Number - 2013 ZT60
Number of Hours - somewhere around 300
Break-in performed - 150
Usage - 50% Blu-ray, 40% TV (w/ 20% sports), 10% Gaming
post #64 of 105
so can someone explain to me how to get the "reverse image" of a bad IR problem??
post #65 of 105
Model Number: Panasonic 42PF50
Burn-in: No
Number of Hours: 3,600
Break-in performed: No
Usage: 100% PC (85% working,browsing / 15% gaming)

I set contrast on maximum from the very beginning and use dynamic / cinema mode primarily
There is a nanodrift feature for the paranoid but these neopdps are virtually bulletproof compared to other sets I've owned wink.gif


edit: for reference

Model Number: Samsung PS50C7000
Burn-in: Yes
Number of Hours: 1,600-2,000 EST
Break-in performed: No
Usage: 60% TV/Movies, 25% gaming, 15% PC

This one had to be babied constantly until it went back for purple banding, for computer use I had to knock the panel contrast down considerably


Model Number: Samsung PN42B450
Burn-in: No
Image retention: Yes
Number of Hours: 400-600 EST
Break-in performed: No
Usage: 60%TV, 40%PC

There was some quick onset IR but I don't remember anything burning in


-CursedBarnacle
Edited by CursedBarnacle - 9/7/13 at 3:07am
post #66 of 105
I have a 60 inch ST60 and have been using it for everything for 2 weeks. Tried D Nice beak in for 100 hours but gave up after 2. If I have a TV its meant to be used. Be sensible but heck I'm not going to tip toe around not watching movies, playing games etc.

I've discovered to get a burn in you have to really try hard. IR I get but it goes away after varying the channels I watch or running the Pixel Flipper, on the WOW disc, for an hour.

Generally, I'm not careless, I just watch normally.smile.gif
post #67 of 105

Unfortunately my Panasonic P55GT50 developed burn-in after 6 months - I bought it in December 2012.  The "USA" logo (from the USA network) burned in to the lower right-hand side of the screen. No amount of wiping got rid of it.  I was never told to "break in" the screen, and I'm told that burn-in is not covered by warranty.  Not happy.

post #68 of 105

 I have not see permanent burn in on a Panasonic Plasma in many years, bad IR yes but that has faded over prolonged length of time.

post #69 of 105

As someone who has been oscillating between getting a plasma or an LCD (principally because of IR), this thread reads like a horror story.

post #70 of 105

It is not as bad as some would make out. Plasma at the moment for critical viewing is still the best choice.

post #71 of 105

I have a question, when someone says to dial down the contrast in order to try and prevent burn in...how negatively does that effect the picture quality. Contrast for a plasma is typically the 'peak white' right?  Does it just make the picture overall dimmer? Is a contrast of say 30 or 40 really view-able during daytime (I'm thinking specifically with respect to the ST60 here)?

post #72 of 105
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Originally Posted by rkb2948 View Post

I have a question, when someone says to dial down the contrast in order to try and prevent burn in...how negatively does that effect the picture quality. Contrast for a plasma is typically the 'peak white' right?  Does it just make the picture overall dimmer? Is a contrast of say 30 or 40 really view-able during daytime (I'm thinking specifically with respect to the ST60 here)?

dimmer overall picture, but no loss in picture detail like you'd get if you lowered brightness/black level
post #73 of 105
Are image burn in or image retention a problem when using "closed captioning" on the high end Panasonic or Samsung plasmas?
post #74 of 105
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Originally Posted by Perfectionist2 View Post

Are image burn in or image retention a problem when using "closed captioning" on the high end Panasonic or Samsung plasmas?

if It doesn't get stuck on a line of text, it shouldn't matter... I use CC and Subtitles all the time and I don't see any persistent IR from them
post #75 of 105
I should have been more specific - is there burn in or IR around the black field that contains the captioned text.

Thanks.
post #76 of 105
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Originally Posted by Perfectionist2 View Post

I should have been more specific - is there burn in or IR around the black field that contains the captioned text.

Thanks.

if the black field appears and disappears with each few lines of new text, it shouldn't matter
post #77 of 105
good point. thanks.
post #78 of 105
I have something like a lighter area at bottom center that doesnt resemble any logo or graphic, its very hard to see except for a vertical dark line on one of its sides that gives off this uneven contrast. Ghosting or image retention? its simliar to what people get from viewing 4:3 content, but for me its not at the sides but at the center and it doesnt go all the way just a couple of inches of straight line. I ran the scrolling bar but all i get is some flickering purple pixels as it runs, is that a bad thing? i also didnt want to run it too long since i heard it may age the display but i ended up leaving it for 40 minutes since i saw some improvement although its still there in the end. Does a 40 min scrolling bar really reduce the lifespan?
Edited by dioxholster - 10/31/13 at 8:44pm
post #79 of 105
which brand and model do you have?
post #80 of 105
its ut50 panasonic, from 2012. Been with me for almost a year. I think the outline of a square at the bottom center came from a news channel i had on during news event a months ago that had big graphics. Thats my guess. contrast i use is low like 75.
Edited by dioxholster - 10/31/13 at 9:10pm
post #81 of 105
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Originally Posted by dioxholster View Post

I have something like a lighter area at bottom center that doesnt resemble any logo or graphic, its very hard to see except for a vertical dark line on one of its sides that gives off this uneven contrast. Ghosting or image retention? its simliar to what people get from viewing 4:3 content, but for me its not at the sides but at the center and it doesnt go all the way just a couple of inches of straight line. I ran the scrolling bar but all i get is some flickering purple pixels as it runs, is that a bad thing? i also didnt want to run it too long since i heard it may age the display but i ended up leaving it for 40 minutes since i saw some improvement although its still there in the end. Does a 40 min scrolling bar really reduce the lifespan?

Your panel has a 100,000 hour lifespan so no worries about aging the panel. If the scroll bar is fading the IR that is a good thing. You can run the scroll bar as much as you like or get a pixel flipper, it's up to you. I have a Panny ST50 and run a pixel flipper overnight once a month at a minimum. No ill effects on my panel and it helps with any nuisance IR. Good Luck.
post #82 of 105
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Originally Posted by dcaccavo View Post

Unfortunately my Panasonic P55GT50 developed burn-in after 6 months - I bought it in December 2012.  The "USA" logo (from the USA network) burned in to the lower right-hand side of the screen. No amount of wiping got rid of it.  I was never told to "break in" the screen, and I'm told that burn-in is not covered by warranty.  Not happy.
It is likely just bad IR and not burn-in. There are a ton of stories where some has what looks like burn-in but fades over a series of weeks or even a month. Give it time and watch a lot of varied content.
post #83 of 105
burn in requires real abuse like only watching one channel or playing same game for hours every day, most people think the IR is burn in, IR always goes away, some take more times depend on what kind it is, if it is from a logo try not to watch that channel few weeks, if plasma is broken in properly first 200-300 hours it should be fine, the IR is not visible in normal viewing, if one is only watching few channels all the time and irritated by IR they should get a LCD, plasma is not for them, I baby sit my plasma first few hundred hours and then kids are using TV as they want, i have watched many movies with black bars, IR goes away watching full screen few minutes later. Calibrated plasmas are much more resistant to IR, If one is using TV in vivid mode the IR is likely to happen fast.
post #84 of 105
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Originally Posted by JRNO View Post

Reading this thread really makes me hesitate buying a plasma for gaming.
I have never owned a plasma, although I'm curious about owning one, but I seriously thought burn-in was a thing of the past.

I'm in the same bought. I just order a P65S60, and of course I find this thread after the fact. After reading all 3 pages I'd same I'm close to terrified of the decision I've made to get my first ever plasma.

I'd say my usage is 75% games, 20% Netflix, 5% Blu-ray. It seems like it's a good thing I don't have cable to avoid channel logo IR, but I'm still terrified about gaming now. I'd say I game 4-5 hrs, and Netflix 1-2 hrs a weekday. And I'd say double that per weekend day. Like when GTA5 came out, I played that for 50-60hrs within the first week!

I coming from a Sony 60A2000 who's blue panel recently died. I wouldn't just leave it on, but it's usually on for 4-5hrs straight of use a day, if not more. I'm starting to think I should just repair it instead of having bought a new tv.

I'm a big gamer, looking forward to both new systems in a few weeks, but also care a lot about image quality, from things I read I thought input lag was my only concern (minor) with this TV, now I'm not sure. I'm stressing out over it, really wish I saw this post earlier today before I order the TV, I would have had to do more thinking.

So have I made a very bad decision for a gaming TV?
post #85 of 105
I've owned a Panasonic plasma from early 2009 to October of this year. I just swapped it for a VT60. I was worried about IR with my previous set at first, so when I was gaming, after 1-2 hours I switched to TV for a while to vary what was displayed. At first I could see some very faint IR for a little while (the score or the HUD) but it always fainted gradually and disappeared. At some point I just stopped obsessing over it. After 18 months, I remember it got some extended gaming sessions (8+ hours) and any IR completely disappeared after a few hours of TV displayed.

I expected to have the same thing with my Vt60 - i.e. more prone to short-lived IR in its early life, but I have yet to see anything resembling IR. Perhaps it helps that I generally keep the contrast to about 70, but so far I am so not worried about this smile.gif If you are: try to keep the contrast setting lower when gaming than when watching video content; vary your games; when possible try to use a semi-transparent HUD. If you check for IR immediately after gaming, you might see some, but that's normal. Put some video content and check again an hour later; it will likely be gone.

I know people have reported different things than this. I don't know what was done differently in their case. I gamed for more than four years on plasma screens without any IR issue.
post #86 of 105
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Originally Posted by Dizman7 View Post

I'm in the same bought. I just order a P65S60, and of course I find this thread after the fact. After reading all 3 pages I'd same I'm close to terrified of the decision I've made to get my first ever plasma.

I'd say my usage is 75% games, 20% Netflix, 5% Blu-ray. It seems like it's a good thing I don't have cable to avoid channel logo IR, but I'm still terrified about gaming now. I'd say I game 4-5 hrs, and Netflix 1-2 hrs a weekday. And I'd say double that per weekend day. Like when GTA5 came out, I played that for 50-60hrs within the first week!

I coming from a Sony 60A2000 who's blue panel recently died. I wouldn't just leave it on, but it's usually on for 4-5hrs straight of use a day, if not more. I'm starting to think I should just repair it instead of having bought a new tv.

I'm a big gamer, looking forward to both new systems in a few weeks, but also care a lot about image quality, from things I read I thought input lag was my only concern (minor) with this TV, now I'm not sure. I'm stressing out over it, really wish I saw this post earlier today before I order the TV, I would have had to do more thinking.

So have I made a very bad decision for a gaming TV?

The IR threads on AVS forum can definitely make one paranoid. In my opinion, as long as you go easy on the panel for the first 100-200 hours, by watching as much full screen content as you can, you should be fine. Though, there are many that abuse their plasmas right out of the box and have had no issues. I took a cautious approach with my ST50 by running slides and watching full screen content for two weeks straight without ever shutting off my panel. I then had it professionally calibrated. I use my panel for TV, full screen movies, blu-ray movies and gaming which accounts for about 15%-20% of my weekly usage. Though I don’t game as much as you, IR has not been an issue for my panel.

I have seen the S60 and it is great TV for movies and gaming. Enjoy your panel.
post #87 of 105
Burn--in: Yes

Model: 2012 TCP65VT50 (Set up March 4, 2013)

Number of Hours: Approx 3150 when BI noticed (roughly mid-September 2013)

Break-in performed: No, but watched varied content

Usage: 95% TV, 5% Blue-Ray

Settings: Basically used Cinema mode (however, did not notice it was on 100% contrast)

Issue: Cable News Channel Bar/Logo noticeable on screens with light background. Actually before trying to remedy, it was noticeable as a shaded bar on black or dark grey screens as well. Interestingly, I swear I could see the bar in the concentration of pixels at top of screen in Pixel Flipper mode. So, if this isn't Burn-in, I'm going to have to say it is Severe Image Retention, at least.

Remedy: Since October 1, 2013, have used the WOW (World of Wonder/Disney) Pixel Flipper [about 350 hours so far], Scroll Bar, Varied content, use Zoom setting on cable stations with static I.D. bars --

Result: Bar is fading, not sure if it will disappear completely, but cautiously optimistic.


First, we really enjoy this TV and the excellent picture and this issue notwithstanding, I would purchase it again, but would be more careful.

Having said that, I had thought , prior to purchasing, I had conducted sufficient research on this model and the topic of BI/IR. Admittedly, the conflicting thoughts on likelihood of Burn-In/Image Retention and whether one should use some formal break-in period prep or not made just how to proceed a bit confusing. So, I opted for the process of watching varied content and did not think I would be abusing the TV by watching Cable News programs for a few hours a day in addition to other content. Now the TV is on probably in the range of 12 - 15 hours a day, up to about 105 hrs week. The cable news programming I watched was approx 3 hours. a day. Panasonic recommended having static bars no more than 15% of the time. So, in my naiveté, I thought I was ok -- apparently not. One other thing, the Panasonic user manual gave some examples of what not to do, but didn't give specific recommendations about what to do, e.g., using Zoom setting to reduce static images on screen. Thanks to this forum, I was able to learn proactive strategies to prevent additional damage and learn strategies to remedy the issue I've been having, i.e., the WoW dvd, continuing to use the scroll bar, using the Zoom setting, etc.

So, it took me a while to discover the BI image, which immediately made me feel sick -- and feeling stupid that I hadn't "researched and learned" enough to keep this from happening. I immediately started looking for strategies that might help on this forum so I could get rid of the image. From what I had read, I figured Panasonic wouldn't do anything -- other than to say it was operator error; so, I haven't even called them.

I was somewhat encouraged by the advice on this forum that I might be able to diminish the image if not totally eliminate it. I ordered WoW and I have used it every day for the past 5 weeks or so, during the night -- and sometimes during the day. I try to have it play at least 8-10 hours, when possible. I run it in Vivid mode, in full screen, with the Anti-image Retention, Pixel Orbiter on Disable. As noted, static images are not used now because I set the screen mode to Zoom. Regular viewing is done in Cinema with contrast lowered to 50%, for now.

The image (shadowed bar, with logo lettering slightly visible) has diminished greatly as of this post. It has taken 5 weeks to get to this point. I think most people may not see it, but I can. Or, someone who is very attuned to visual details probably would notice it. But, it is at a level now where, if I'm engrossed in the content and don't think about it, it doesn't distract from viewing a program.

Very sorry for this long post, but I hope, if nothing else, this will alert others to the possibility of inadvertent severe image retention. I can't speak to the issue of whether prepping with slides would have been helpful or not. All I would advise is to limit the time of static images on the screen, and if you don't limit, then to be sure to regularly and frequently run the scroll bar and/or use a pixel flipper as potential preventive measures. This would probably be advisable in any case.

I'm hoping to use WoW in the future to adjust settings and calibrate further, but waiting for a while to see whether the image may be totally eliminated. If or when, it does, I'll update this post.

And, finally, thanks to all on this forum that have provided information, ideas, and strategies to assist newbies, like me, to figure out how to best use this technology.
Edited by Rondano - 11/8/13 at 4:35am
post #88 of 105
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Originally Posted by boum View Post

I've owned a Panasonic plasma from early 2009 to October of this year. I just swapped it for a VT60. I was worried about IR with my previous set at first, so when I was gaming, after 1-2 hours I switched to TV for a while to vary what was displayed. At first I could see some very faint IR for a little while (the score or the HUD) but it always fainted gradually and disappeared. At some point I just stopped obsessing over it. After 18 months, I remember it got some extended gaming sessions (8+ hours) and any IR completely disappeared after a few hours of TV displayed.

I expected to have the same thing with my Vt60 - i.e. more prone to short-lived IR in its early life, but I have yet to see anything resembling IR. Perhaps it helps that I generally keep the contrast to about 70, but so far I am so not worried about this smile.gif If you are: try to keep the contrast setting lower when gaming than when watching video content; vary your games; when possible try to use a semi-transparent HUD. If you check for IR immediately after gaming, you might see some, but that's normal. Put some video content and check again an hour later; it will likely be gone.

I know people have reported different things than this. I don't know what was done differently in their case. I gamed for more than four years on plasma screens without any IR issue.

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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

The IR threads on AVS forum can definitely make one paranoid. In my opinion, as long as you go easy on the panel for the first 100-200 hours, by watching as much full screen content as you can, you should be fine. Though, there are many that abuse their plasmas right out of the box and have had no issues. I took a cautious approach with my ST50 by running slides and watching full screen content for two weeks straight without ever shutting off my panel. I then had it professionally calibrated. I use my panel for TV, full screen movies, blu-ray movies and gaming which accounts for about 15%-20% of my weekly usage. Though I don’t game as much as you, IR has not been an issue for my panel.

I have seen the S60 and it is great TV for movies and gaming. Enjoy your panel.

Thanks guys, this is slowly putting my mind at ease. As much as I want to get into it, I will take it easy, I do all the proper break-in for any new car I've had as well. It'll just be REALLY hard soon with both next-gen consoles coming out starting next week (yeah I'm getting both). I should be able to start the slides later tonight when a friend gets home to help me move and setup the TV, as I just got it today. I calculate that by late Monday night it'll hit 100hrs, but I'm thinking of maybe letting it run an extra couple of days, to Wed or Thurs, just to be safe. Since I don't really need it to be setup until Friday night when PS4 comes out. If I ran it to Thursday that'd be about 170hrs, give or take. I dunno, probably bad timing to be getting a new plasma right before I'm going to launch into some big gaming sessions. frown.gif
post #89 of 105
I broke in my ZT60 for 300 hours, and I still have some IR (that has not gone away after what is nearly 100 hours of full-color slides/swipes) from the scoreboard thanks to football viewing. It's a crapshoot frankly.
post #90 of 105
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I broke in my ZT60 for 300 hours, and I still have some IR (that has not gone away after what is nearly 100 hours of full-color slides/swipes) from the scoreboard thanks to football viewing. It's a crapshoot frankly.
Is the IR visible during normal viewing or just when checking with color slides. If you see temporary IR when checking for it with color slides but it is not visible during normal TV viewing it is not problem and will likely vanish over time.

IMO, color slides will not help you. I would recommend a pixel flipper for several hours or even a day or two. It will likely fade over time anyway. I’ve heard great things about the ZT60 and I’m totally jealous. Enjoy your panel.
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