Flat panel shootout. - Page 11

Supposedly an ISF calibration helps the pulsing.

Right, and in the real world they are still considered to be the best

D-Nice, all the panels were calibrated as close to gamma 2.4 as possible per the new standard correct? How close did all of them get? It seemed when watching on my computer that the VT50's gamma looked higher than the others. Of course it could have been the angle I was seeing the lcds. Thanks.

Were the best? So I should just throw mine in the garbage and get a 2012 model just because you cannot buy any NIB from any reputable dealer? Yeah, ok.

You don't lose a title just because of the current purchasing status. No single 2012 flat panel can equal or beat a 2nd gen Kuro. Panasonic has the color... the Sharp Elites have the blacks and dynamic range. Neither has all three in one package.

Yes.


The charts should be on VE's website.

What about high frequency detail? Isn't there a weakness with KURO?

No.

That's an excellent point. When you do sales, you learn to let the customers sell themselves if they know what they want or are very knowledgeable. In such instances, you shouldn't interfere too much with their expectations, even if their assessment is wrong, just to make sure you can seal the deal ASAP. When I did some retail sales a long time ago, the sales team I worked with use to call such situations: a pizza. You didn't need to sweat too much to close the deal, just provide a little bit of psychological reinforcement and it was just as easy as being served the sale on a silver platter, or talking an order over the phone for a pizza!

Yes there is. SIZE

Pq wise ..

All right... I see I'm going to have to spell this one out completely. I thought that maybe I was clear enough but perhaps I wasn't. Then again maybe you guys just saw the door ever so slightly open and thought it would be funny to open it and say surprise! We got you! And if that's the case, you sure got me and it's funny!

When I said that the Kuros were the best, I meant in term of TVs that are being produced and that you can actually buy. I'm not talking about some obscure little retailer that may still have one or two units hidden away or a demo they're willing to sell. And you guys know there aren't too many if any at all on the used market. Indeed the Pioneer Kuros were and are still the best and it doesn't appear like the new Panny VT50's have equaled them yet as close as they may be. But the point is that you can't buy a Kuro anymore and those who didn't buy one back then, have to live in the present and buy whatever else is being produced that's as close as possible to a reference set if that's what they're targeting. Some say that the new OLEDs will take the throne away from Kuro but I'm not convinced just yet if they'll bee a better all-around TV, considering that they're a first generation product with quite possibly some new issues of their own. But that's another discussion.

Except maybe he isn't fooling himself, since the experts' votes for the Elite was much lower than the audience's votes, especially with color accuracy and general content video quality (and at the same time, all scores were higher for the E8000).

Also, D-Nice posted his personal ranking here, which has the E8000 in second place, and the Elite in 4th place (below the hypothetical entry of the 929):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post22046259

I love this thread lol

Excellent post! The numbers don't lie!!

What I really would like to know is how the 65ST50 would have ranked compared to the top 3? (For the budget conscious).

By all reports, the ST50 stacks up very well against the more expensive Panny plasmas. We'll never know where exactly it would have come in since it wasn't in the competition. D-Nice may be able to give you some idea.

If price were weighted reasonably high, the ST50 would have won easily. Even ignoring price, the ST50 would've been decently close to the top group. You can conclude this simply by comparing reviews of it to the VT50 results.

I was back at BestBuy today and I of course had to go take a second look at the VT50. I will say that it sure looked good this second time. Much better than my earlier visit a few days ago.

It looked very rich and detailed. I was very impressed this second visit and thought I would share as I had stated the first viewing looked horrible.

Nice set...

Rick

Can't wait to see the shootout with the 'spiritual successor to the Kuro'
http://asia.cnet.com/product/lg-55em...d-45834945.htm

That looks like a badass TV... I'm sure samsungs will be just as impressive..

Thanks 8mile13. Where can I get this part?

I can't find them, maybe not up yet?

Stuff i posted is pretty much all there is except for samsung gesture & voice control demo <- why post stuff like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ksll...feature=relmfu

Yes, The Kuro is the greatest display of all time and ever will be. So invite the friends over, turn the lights up, pop in the 3-D Avatar blu-ray and soak in 70" of visual goodnes... oh, wait.

Somehow people can never realize we are talking about pq!

huh, I only chart I see is for the Sharp Elite.

Also it's the not same as what was on the slides during the event which had color tracking. There's only one data point for color in the chart I found.

Does anyone have the presentation that was originally used?

thanks!

Amazing you were able to get him involved. I love it!!!! I also noticed that the shootout last year was in SID monthly :Information Display Magazine. The scientific community is noticing. Great work.

Cheers

I would love to see the charts on the VT50 as I can't get my CMS as close as I'd like not matter where I set the Color setting. I'm still getting some pretty big dE in red and green.

I just don't understand why you keep mentioning the word "cult" in association with the Sharp Elite. The true "cult" was for the Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma, and for good reason since it was the best display, but not for any Sharp Elite. I guess we agree on something afterall.

I am not associated with any cult yet own multiple Kuros.