Flat panel shootout. - Page 4

Well. the kuro is dead. *Something* must have killed it....

^Mismanagement followed by global economic doom (that continues to this day) double-punch.


Yea, nice try (and to echo D-Nice), but those wanting something better than their Kuros (me!) still have some waiting to do. Agree with everything beyond "not even counting..."

Why do folks continue to call it the "cyan issue?" Green and red are just as bad. The color decoder problems were identified first with cyan, but further investigation showed it to be more widespread.

Is it a coincidence that the folks who don't notice it own the display?

Please give us your analysis of how your Kuro and VT50 compare side-by-side. What is keeping the VT50 from being as good, or better, than the Kuro?

Thanks for helping make the shootout happen again ... and thanks for your continual comments and education here on AVS.

Well, not to speak for him, but an easy bet is the black level for one...

D-Nice, i want to thank you and the rest of the guy's for an excellent and informative Shootout.

PS.
Thanks for everyone making David feel at home, i think he has made some great friends over in the US.

Barry.

I found it interesting that the Samsung actually took a step backwards from having reference color last year to something less than that this year.

How does that happen????

D-Nice

How did the 65VT50 compare to the 65VX300 from a few months ago? Seems that the main problem for the VX300 was that it didn't handle room lighting well so not appropriate for most home viewing. Other differences?

I actually agree to a degree...don't love it as much as you do but the fact that it wasn't included was ridiculous...and on top of that the reason Robert gave about it being last year's model and how the Elite is a much better set (stated on another forum) just sounds wrong...so now all of a sudden there is a new rule where only the reigning champ gets to be carried over?...what an unlucky break for the Sony?...the fact that the Pany and Samsungs LCD's were included over the HX929 was the wrong choice

not saying it would have won the Shootout this year (it wouldn't have) but it definitely could have affected the overall rankings

Actually, green, yellow, blue and red are not as good as they should be. However, cyan is really poor and that is the reason why more emphasis has been placed on that color point.


Actually, I measured all six color points for that display at last shootout. That data was given to Sharp at the end of last year's shootout.


Any person who owns that display and another display that tracks far better than the Sharp Elite would notice it. How important that difference is to them is really subjective and respectfully their personal preference.

Convenient.

I'll continue to ignore the results.

MLL, grayscale tracking, dynamic range (Contrast). The VT50 has reached a level where it is very satisfying. However, it is still not the equal of the 2nd Gen Kuro... on paper and with real world content.

I'm just curious... if the HX929 were brought back this year, how would it affect this year's rankings? Perhaps it would place ahead of the Samsung and Panasonic LCDs..maybe even the the LG plasma, but the same could be said if they brought Samsung's top plasma from last year.

To me it was not included because Sony did not have a new unit to replace the hx929.

So with this same argument, why not have the Kuro back? Well they don't sell it anymore. It's a good piece of information to know that the Kuro would still win, but what good would it do if it were included and you cannot buy one?

Your choice. I simply explained why it was not there.

It is far better than the VX300. There is no comparison.

It happens all the time. Its easy to achieve something. Its hard to maintain it.

Having worked on a few 65 929s, My ranking would have been as follows compared to what was at the Shootout:

• Panasonic VT50
• Samsung PNE8000
• Sony 929
• Sharp Elite
• Samsung UNES8000
• LG PM9700
• Panasonic WT50

in my opinion I think the HX929 could have finished as high as 2nd place or 3rd place at the low end...the Elite is not as vastly superior to the Sony as some make it seem...some well respected calibrators have the Sony ranked higher then the Elite...that's why I would have loved to have seen a fair fight this year...last year there was some issue with the HX929 at the Shootout (I don't remember the details) so because of that reason it should have been granted a second chance

not saying that multiple models from previous years should always be included the following year but due to the unusual circumstances surrounding last year's Sony they deserved another chance

as far as your Kuro argument...just for the record last year's Shootout did include the 9.5G Kuro as a surprise entrant (it was hidden behind a painting and unveiled later)...but no the Kuro should not be included every year but according to Robert's new rationale/rule it probably should be because it is the reigning champ over all others

The 141FD was not allowed to be entered into last year's shootout. It was only there as a reference. No one rated it on their scorecard.

I was undecided between the Samsung and the Panasonic Plasma. This shootout has swayed be to buy the 65vt50.

I've been checking the Value Electronics website and I haven't seen the results of the shoot out yet (other than D-Nice's comments here). Have they been posted anywhere?

Thanks for being honest.

I was a little let down the Sony 929 was not setup properly last year and the elite got voted best without a fair shake to the 929.

Then this year after they didn't give it a fair shake last year they just treated it like a bastard child and said it wasn't worthy. Which is really an insult to anyone's intelligence if you ask me. It may not be perfect but it's right there with the Elite depending on who you ask.

It's Roberts show, so he can do whatever it is that he wants. I respect that, and I respect him. But he should be aware he's going to alienate himself a little bit with some of the AV crowd.

... with that said.

Why did I keep seeing warmer white balance on the E8000 and a cooler one on the VT50? (granted it was a video camera, it showed this way the entire time regardless of angle). Could the E8000 not be targeted or was the VT50 set colder to enhance the whites? Or should I just write this off to internet video... haha.

Speaking of video camera, it sure would have been nice if it had been a HD camera and feed. It's hard to see what's going on, with the poor quality feed.

The camera was HD. It was simply the feed.

One other thing. I don't remember seeing any tests for the 3D quality of the panels. I missed Saturday's feed, so maybe it was then. Were the panels tested for 3D quality, and if so, which one had the best quality?

I think they were posted on their Facebook page.