LG PA70G LED 1280x800 700 Lumens. - Page 41

the problem is, some of these foreign guys have been coming up with some cool stuff. Not too many places are selling this device. Fry's and maybe 2-3 other places. I agree, it is very hard to understand what they are saying, I've said it myself. I wish, they could maybe talk to someone who understands english and their own language and ask that person to take their writing and make it into understandable english.

Foreign guys, translation program really is making a mess of what you are saying, many times complete garbled mess. What to do?

I have read every post in this thread,in between trying to understand the translation problems and the war of words between a couple of people,what I understand is this PJ has focus issues on early models..I'm still interested in getting one if only there was a Fry's close to me.

I'm currently using a viewsonic pj658 on a 100" draper Luma..mainly for movies,Xbox360 and sports on TV...I've had it for a few years and on 3rd bulb..looking for an everyday option.Lighting is controlled,and have a cheap HTPC I'm using for web surfing/movies on 42" plasma..everything routed thru Yamaha HTR5550 receiver(no hdmi )

not really into 3D ...yet ..kinda worried for what I need to purchase for this : bluray,video card,etc
what video card would I need,

Jason what version of Tridef software? PC?

How about the RBE on this unit?
I ordered one 2 days ago, should arrive tomorrow.
Wondering if it will be a good focussing unit and if it will perform to my expectations, never had a PJ before, only working with the ones at work for presentations (semi dimmed rooms).

BR
Vark

Just checked at Frys.com and the LG PA70g is shown as being on back order and the price has gone back up to $800. Dang it, was very seriously considering grabbing one of these at $400. Hopefully it will come back down again if they get them back in stock. Amazon still has them at $650. There are several on Ebay in the low $500s but I would really prefer to buy from a regular retail outlet in case I get one with focusing issues. Should have jumped on it over Christmas.

Hey guys, I got mine a few days ago from Fry's during their sale. For the price I paid, I'm super happy. The focus seems pretty even at 100", maybe a little tincy-bit off on the edges, nothing you could possibly notice in a game or even a movie. I have it projecting on my wall right now, I'm still waiting on my 1.3 gain fixed screen to arrive. I will post pics once I have it all set up. This is replacing a Samsung DLP LED 61" as my daily viewer, videogame-playing, movie-watching display. I know it's not 1080p native, but I feel the sacrifice to 720p and gaining 39" of viewing space is worth it. I did notice a few rainbows on the credits to movies, but nothing while watching content or playing games.

It will definitely hold me over till the 1080p LEDs become more affordable and available.

I will answer any questions as well as throw up any content for you guys as long as I have it.

Yes for PC, see here... http://www.tridef.com/

I am using whatever the latest version is.

Jason

@DaGamePimp

In a prior post you stated you chose Samsung DLP as the display type? are you sure? because that outputs checkerboard anytime that I have ever tried it.


When I choose display settings, I set the manufacturer as (standard display types) and the model as Direct3D Stereo (120Hz) . This is their Frame Sequential output.

Do not worry I will not write.

Edited by bony - 12/27/12 at 11:52am

When I use 'standard display types' it does not recognize my PA70G as a 3D capable display and then disables 3D (this is connected directly to the PA70G from my PC via DVI to VGA adapter).

When I stated that Samsung DLP 'activated' 3D I was meaning just that, that it saw the PA70G as 3D capable and allowed me to enable 3D mode, I did not test it beyond that but plan to do more testing soon (calibrated it and now awaiting a new screen so that I can return the current one due to many issues).

When compared to the iZ3D checkerboard output it looks nothing like the TriDef set at Samsung DLP (at least on my unit, maybe something else is wrong..? I have a Samsung 3D plasma that accepts all the formats so maybe I'll do some comparisons).

Here are a few screen shots, the first is TriDef 3D active (sending 1280x720p@120Hz via DVI -> VGA), the second and third are quick post calibration shots via HDMI @ 1080p from Sony S780 blu ray player (all on 100" 1.1 gain white screen)...







Jason

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Edited by DaGamePimp - 12/27/12 at 3:35am

hahah, Jason, it's time to learn Hungarian, here are a several words, they came original from Huns and common in English: hon - home, fal - wall, tiz - ten, alma - apple, pisi - pee, so - salt, cukor - sugar, fold - field, haz - house, deszka - desk, vilag - world, uj - new, haj - hair, nyak - neck, etc.

Language: The root of Hungarian words are not changing, only the prefix and suffix are changing by time, but the base word always remain untouchable. That means, Hungarians can easily read and understand thousand year old Hungarians texts, because their base language is never changing. This is unique, and only Sanskrit is similar.

History: Also, their ancient history is beginning in the Bible Genesis, before all the nations. Their first king was Nimrod, who was the King of Babylon, and he has two sons: Hunor and Magor. Also, Hungarians think about all cultures, nations and knowledge in the world came origin from their ancient culture, because they can easily understand other cultures like Mayas, Indians, Egypt, Africans, etc from their language and cultural background. They became part of European culture more than thousand and half year, put their alphabet and religion in pantry, and tried to live peace with other hordes.

Power: They never tried to colonize or dominate the world like other European nations and hordes did it, but had potential for that. 24 different nations lived together with peace under Hungarian Kingdom thousand year, before European union, when the nations always killed each others, also Attila the Hun always had fight with Rome, but never wanted to occupy. Why?

Dreams: Because in their childhood dreams, tales and tradition have sufficient knowledge about Earth, came originally over Great Ocean, many Hungarians think they came from Pacific Ocean area, or Atlantis Island, other people think they came from Mayas or Indians areas, but nobody don't know, but all Hungarians know that exactly, the knowledge is the most important thing in this world. Faith of knowledge is the national mind of Hungarians and nothing else.

So dear Jason, I think your modern English contains many Hungarian words, but unfortunately many peoples lost their roots especially in U.S and speak only a fragmented, partial and always changing language like English. If your wife is Hungarian, than you have chance to understand something important. The main problem is, you lost your history and root and you can not speak an ancient language like Hungarian, that's why we have to speak here only with your slang. That's the truth.


"There are some things in this world, Captain Niobe, that will never change." - Morpheus

!!!OFF TOPIC!!!

That was one superiority gently mind above all nations from top gear under partial Celtic history with a famous ghost phrase "off topic" around tea time. Thanks

On: Some friends here requested to create again 120hz HDMI custom monitor file for 3D. I will create it and post it, but probably next year.

Lol, let's hope this goes on sale at Fry's again so I can import it into Canada. Believe it or not, I was having a focus issue with another LED projector, and I was contemplating on replacing it, I came into this thread, saw the guy who linked to the Qumi Q2's issue post, and from there I followed the tutorial, of course I had to use common sense as it wasn't the same projector, but after tightening the sole screw on the Brightboxe's lens, everything was perfect.

Although the brightness was why I originally came to these forums, I use a component/vga modulator to resolve the issues I was having by tweaking the settings. Obviously, I'll need to keep using the device if I want these settings, but it pays off to have something like that lying around the house.

So now I can wait for the LG PA70G to go on sale once more, and convert my anime into 3D.

But the question remains, will we ever see that sale price ever again? Will Fry's ship the LGPA70G to CANADA? Will Tataniko's wisdom be heard by the racist DAPIMPGAME?

Find out on the next episode of Please Answer My Questions!

Frys does ship to Canada so when its on sale make sure to pick it up

Did you use your Darbee Darblet with those pictures? If so, I may have to spend the $319 for one....pretty nice pictures. I didn't know if the Darblet could improve much on DLP.

Word! While this forum may have very wide international participation it IS an English language forum and it's only polite to respect that. It is also a forum with a relatively narrow scope of home theater technology, and especially when things get more technical a certain command of the language is kind of important. The less one knows a particular language the less one should diatribe in it--keep it short and to the point. There are plenty of other fora for philosophy, humor, and talking about oneself in the third person. Let's keep this focused on HT tech or it loses its purpose.

Jason, as a very long-time active participant on AVSF and a serious HT enthusiast (I remember reading your posts back in 2004 and before) I would have expected you to migrate towards the high end by now. Instead I see you budding with the PA70G. Does that mean that enthusiast level quality has reached the $400 price point, or is this merely a diversion for you? How do you feel it compares to your previous gear? I love reading posts of people who know their stuff.

Uwe

Thanks for the info. Always like trying new programs. I find the Nvidia IR vision 2/Arcsoft solution
works best for me. Was fun playing with the Tridef soluton just not a Dlp link person.

Thanks for the knowledge.

I think it is over priced for what little functionality it provides. It should be under $100 imo. Even when they were released they were around $250, still too much imo.

Make sure you check out the you-tube videos of the darblet. It basically enhances the picture by darkening certain areas to highlight and create a greater contrast. It's like a woman putting on makeup to make her eyes stand out.

There are many other things you can spend the money on, like upgrading your GPU if you have a PC, or a new AVR receiver, a DVDO Edge Green or Oppo blu-ray player.

Pay attention at 2:44 in this you-tube video of the darblet, where Paul Darbee the founder is interviewed. You can see it changing the outlines of the roof tiles to a darker shade, making them stand out more.

So if you like your images pure, the aldulterizing of content by the Darblet may offend you. But for many, they love the effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwrtdJAb-gA

Dear Jason, I think that post was very rude, impolite for people from Slovakia, Poland, India, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Canada, etc. You have learn and understand different cultures, you got a chance from the life and have a Hungarian wife, so it's highly recommended this list for you from a stupid foreign friend:

The most important Hungarian inventions: Horse coach, Safety match, Absolute geometry, Artificial intelligence, Antiseptic, Binocular, Soda water, Morphine, Transformer, Electric motor, Telephone exchange, Dynamo, Carburetor, Mass production, Aircraft robot pilot, Television, Turbine, Sound motion picture, Vitamin C, Helicopter, Nuclear chain reactions, Electron microscope, Holography, Digital computer, Nuclear reactor, Hydrogen bomb, Plasma display, Ball pen, Infra-red camera, Car safety system, Cosmic radiation, Bio magnetism, Stress theory, Rubik's cube, Gömböc.

Here are the output resolutions from my PC that I'm using with a Radeon 7970 GPU and TriDef.

It has the extension block byte as a 1, so it should use your extension for additional descriptors.

The only difference should be the color characteristics.

Color characteristics LG PA70G
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.645 - Ry 0.304
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.215 - Gy 0.700
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.143 - By 0.025
White point (default).... Wx 0.283 - Wy 0.297
Additional descriptors... None

Color characteristics PLED-W500
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.670 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.210 - Gy 0.710
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.140 - By 0.080
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

It has 1280x720P@120Hz set as the native resolution. I did this because some hardware/software 3D solutions look at the native resolution before enabling.
It has 1280x800 and 1366x768 added in for 3D gaming choices. It also has 1920x1200@30Hz added in for 2D gaming/web surfing. Sometimes 1920x1200 acts up. If it does, I use the remote to swith to USB input and wait a minute then switch back.
On my Nvidia GPU I could do 1920x1200@50Hz HDMI or 1920x1200@60 VGA.

Try at your own risk, works great on my PLED-W500. rugrash Radeon PLED-W500 HDMI 720P 120Hz native.zip 1k .zip file

BTW you can use monitor asset manager to open and read the file after unzipping it.

Only the last picture has the Darblet in use and yes it can impriove almost any image, I have yet to connect it to a display that did not see some gain.



Glad I am not the only one that feels this way.

Honestly the PA70G is just a daily use display for the whole family in our media/game room and we wanted to try it out due to the LED tech and lumen rating, I still have a far superior projector in our HT (Panasonic AE4000 @ D65/6500K).

We have displays all over the house with some rooms having several and we like to try all the various tech's (even though I am a DLP fan at heart).




Yeah I would have gone the Nvidia route if I had their gpu, my cousin uses Nvidia with 3 x GTX580's and it works great.




While the price is debatable regarding the value to each person, and I was as skeptical as anyone initially, there is no doubt of what the Darblet can do when properly set up (used in moderation).

I have tested it with TV & Projection of all the various display tech's and on each display the image was able to see improvements (with everyone in the room agreeing).

The Darblet is especially helpful with units like the PA70G where the image is not truly defined/sharp (much like the gain I obtain on my AE4000 since they are not truly sharp either due to their smoothscreen tech).

So if you like the clarity enhancement or not, no matter as it does not alter a properly calibrated image (if it did I would not use one as I have been watching D65/6500K displays for 10+ years and will not go back).

It may not be for everyone but there is no doubt of what it can do without adding artifacts or altering a proper calibration.


Jason

so i can confirm that using the vp3d1 and a hdmi to vga converter will not work to display 3D. I get an invalid format when playing 3D movies. so we have to keep trying for 3D with a ps3

About the Darblet this was the best explanation I found. It's from the source, Paul Darbee.


Question, on a 100" screen how comparable is the PA70G with the Darblet to say a 1080P bulb projector?
Edited by Amber Ale - 12/27/12 at 2:21pm

I'm new to 3d and was wondering. Is there anyway to watch 3D using this projector with passive glasses like you get at the movie theater?

Edit: Thank you Rugrash. Wow that looks like it will be quite expensive. So are my only two other options with this projector to use the Nvidia 3D vision glasses with the IR emitter or to use DLP Link Glasses without an IR emitter and a program like Tridef or Stereoscopic player using my Asus gaming laptop?
Edited by daltrey - 12/27/12 at 4:05pm

Yes there are several ways to do so, one is with a single projector using a 3D Polarization modulator, it will require a silverscreen to keep the images polarized .
http://www.gali-3d.com/en/techno-modulator/techno-modulator.php

Then there are several ways to do it using two projectors. The best thing about this, is that you can use 2D projectors, they do not need to be 3D. But a stereoscopic signal demuxer is needed and in most cases a silverscreen is required.

If you are really interested in the technology, read these 3 threads I link.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1280393/the-ultimate-3d-projection-system-a-practical-discussion-thread/1890

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1299974/my-passive-polarised-dual-projector-setup

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1407101/official-omega-3d-passive-projection-system-thread/90

Honestly most decent 720p/1080p lamp based projectors will best the PA70G in almost all areas (even adding the Darblet).

The PA70G does very well when set-up and calibrated properly but it does not compete with say the likes of a Mitsubishi HC4000 or even an Epson 8350.

The beauty of the PA70G is that it is an HD LED based projector and can be operated as a daily use display (like an HDtv) with little concern for hours of use and no concern of future lamp expense.

It's a disposable projector as once the LED's are done it is likely to cost more to repair than replace but with any luck that would be many years for most considering the 30,000 hour LED rating (which if true it's highly unlikely the other components inside would last as long as the LED's).

My honest opinion is that it is absolutely worth the investment at $400 (Fry's deal) but at normal price ($800) it is not unless you require the LED based advantage of being able to use like a TV.

That said however if you are seeking your first projector it is likely to offer some great entertainment value as long as you keep your expectations realistic (as in do not expect it to compete with a modern day HDtv).

Jason

Beside black level the Q5 is better than an RS2 and Marantz 12S4 in almost every way. Led light source to me
is better than lamp based. Just a humble opinion;). My brother-in-law has the Pa 70 and I
would agree on your assesment after seeing it in action over Christmas. In the end the
picture is in the eye of the beholder and all projectors look pretty good.

OT but...

Just my opinion as well but I would respectfully disagree on the Q5 comparison, it's not close to an RS2 let alone the Marantz 12s4.

I've owned an ISF'd Sharp 12K mkII which is very similar to the Marantz (12K mkII = slightly better contrast) and it would easily best the Q5 and PA70G over-all, the Konica-Minolta lens on those units are something to behold and a single lens is worth more than these entire LED units combined.

I watched a Q5 on a roughly 60" screen and even at that small size with a prestine pc source it was not all that impressive aside from the size and price (much like the PA70G that is even brighter than the Q5).

Comparing these inexpensive LED units to 'real' lamp based projectors is kind of silly, sorry just being honest. Now had you said the Q5 bests the AE900, Sanyo Z5, Optoma HD70 I would have mostly agreed but those mentioned are in another league.

Jason

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Edited by DaGamePimp - 12/28/12 at 1:30am

that doesn't make any sense, I know what you're saying, I used to do a lot of photography and I know how cameras work....here's the deal, I had a different PA70 and the focusing ring was normal, this one (which have returned) had good even focus but would only reach right focus at the end of the focus range, and even there you had to pinch the focus ring with fingernail to force it to focus. I moved it to 6' from wall and the focus was still at end of focusing ring range, it defies logic, it's not supposed to work like that.