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post #1381 of 2305
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Originally Posted by ErickG View Post

Does anyone here with comcast find the menu a little blurry? I'm thinking my focus is off and its pushed all the way to the end. Picture looks good but something is off.

Try switching the cable box output from 1080i to 720P
post #1382 of 2305
Did that. I wonder if the 5 dollar hdmi cables from five bellow could be the cause. They are thick and well shielded. Also using a monoprice hdmi switch box. I have a 24g hdmi ribbon running from the projector to the switch box.
post #1383 of 2305
Lol, all HDMI cables are the same and digital. Try it without the switchbox.
post #1384 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Bejita View Post

Lol, all HDMI cables are the same and digital. Try it without the switchbox.

No, they are not. All HDMI cables are not made equal. I have crappy ones that will not work on some of my equipment and will on other equipment.

I used to think the same way as you, but you also have to take into consideration shielding and gauge of cable.

Best thing is get hdmi cable that people on amazon say works! It could be cheap and good too, so , go by reviews.
post #1385 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Bejita View Post

Lol, all HDMI cables are the same and digital. Try it without the switchbox.

This is completely false.

Go back to the HDMI training videos I linked, it will enlighten you.
post #1386 of 2305
I have bought HDMI cables from the dollar store, and compared them against the single Monster hdmi cable I have, no difference.
post #1387 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Bejita View Post

I have bought HDMI cables from the dollar store, and compared them against the single Monster hdmi cable I have, no difference.

That's nice, your still wrong.
post #1388 of 2305
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Originally Posted by rgtaa View Post

What I'm going to say is just something to think over, because it is very cheap solution for 3D on this PJ or any 2d hdtv.
http://www.amazon.com/3D-Video-Wizard-Console-Glasses/dp/B005SN3INA/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1
I could stop there, but , I will share a little experience with it owning it less than 24 hours. smile.gif
Now, if you do read the reviews on amazon, read the newest ones first, and go backwards, very important. Why? Because the company put out a firmware that added "brightness feature" to the unit, so if picture is dark, you can in addition to adjusting the brightness on PJ, you can also crank it up on the device itself.
Now, what do you get for 35 dollars. First of all, you get 2 hdmi inputs, so you could put pc and 360 into unit and switch via remote. You get heavy gauge hdmi cable. You get 2 passive 3d glasses. Not bad for 35 dollars. Oh, I forget the unit itself. smile.gif You get 3d on xbox, I went to console settings and I saw the option , and enabled it and watched You Tube 3d sbs , and it was amazing! Worked great. Now the 360 and just the Pj will not enable 3d, but this device will! smile.gif
Now, of course it will work with any device, pc, ps3, etc. I can get good 80 inchs in 3D! Works best with 3D material. It does have 2d to 3d conversion, and depending on the tv show it is good to just ho-hum. But if you got blue ray 3d player, for 35 dollars, you could do a lot worse.
I tried it on my 2d hdtv's and it worked great too. So, even if you hated it on the pa70g, you could throw it on a 2d hdtv and I think you would be happy.
We are still working on getting 3d on our beloved pa70g, sounds like we are making progress, keep up the good work guys.

Well, this was a $35 gamble that didn't work out for me. So no big loss. On m LG PA70G, the image was just too dark to be enjoyable. I did the firmware update, turned the 3D Wizard brightness up all the way, and tried turning up the projector's brightness to max. Room completely dark, and the image was too dark, IMO. The 3D part worked great though. I bought "Hugo 3D", and it does work well.
post #1389 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Amber Ale View Post

That's nice, your still wrong.

You're*
post #1390 of 2305
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Originally Posted by dahur View Post

Well, this was a $35 gamble that didn't work out for me. So no big loss. On m LG PA70G, the image was just too dark to be enjoyable. I did the firmware update, turned the 3D Wizard brightness up all the way, and tried turning up the projector's brightness to max. Room completely dark, and the image was too dark, IMO. The 3D part worked great though. I bought "Hugo 3D", and it does work well.

Did you try setting 'BLACK LEVEL' on the PA70G to 'HIGH', the device may be sending RGB full range (0-255).

Jason
post #1391 of 2305
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Originally Posted by dahur View Post

Well, this was a $35 gamble that didn't work out for me. So no big loss. On m LG PA70G, the image was just too dark to be enjoyable. I did the firmware update, turned the 3D Wizard brightness up all the way, and tried turning up the projector's brightness to max. Room completely dark, and the image was too dark, IMO. The 3D part worked great though. I bought "Hugo 3D", and it does work well.

Can you fill out the picture for us a little bit. Were you at a PC watching the hugo 3d with the PJ? Were you on blu ray player? Are there settings on pc or blu ray player that allows you to adjust brightness. I know I would NEVER ever have a brightness problem on anything if I'm using the pc because I just turn up the brightness or adjust contrast on it in graphic settings and also on the media player itself.

I like the 3d wizard on 360, if you have a xbox, check it out. smile.gif

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Getting back to 3d on the pa70g using pc , that acer zip worked for me, I can use my active shutter glasses and if the 3d program is encoded right, it looks great. I saw 3 or 4 3d clips that didn't look that good, then tried an adult movie that worked, great color, and no jidderness. Is it a timing issue? A resolution issue? A encoding issue. Some stuff looks good and some stuff jumps all over the place. At least I can see that 3d does work if you got it encoded right.
post #1392 of 2305
I asked Fry's to please put this projector back on sale.
post #1393 of 2305
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Did you try setting 'BLACK LEVEL' on the PA70G to 'HIGH', the device may be sending RGB full range (0-255).

Jason

No, I didn't try that. I'll get it back out tomorrow, and try again.
post #1394 of 2305
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Originally Posted by rgtaa View Post

Can you fill out the picture for us a little bit. Were you at a PC watching the hugo 3d with the PJ? Were you on blu ray player? Are there settings on pc or blu ray player that allows you to adjust brightness. I know I would NEVER ever have a brightness problem on anything if I'm using the pc because I just turn up the brightness or adjust contrast on it in graphic settings and also on the media player itself.

I like the 3d wizard on 360, if you have a xbox, check it out. smile.gif

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I don't have a HTPC, I'm using a Sony S590 Blu-ray 3D player. I don't recall any brightness controls on the Sony...
post #1395 of 2305
Perhaps that was resolved and they are being released.
post #1396 of 2305
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Originally Posted by dahur View Post

I don't have a HTPC, I'm using a Sony S590 Blu-ray 3D player. I don't recall any brightness controls on the Sony...

I tried the 3d wizard on the hdtv 42 inch with my PC and it worked really nice, so , even if it doesn't work on the pa70g, you could try it on a few other 2d hdtv's. You also have option if using the pa70g to move the pa70g closer to screen and make 40-60 inch screen, it would be brighter for 3d. I'm not sure if your blu ray player does have brightness, but I'm sure it has "dimmer" and different modes "cinema" and other stuff to try, to see if it makes a difference.

I'm not sure I will be using 3d in either shutter glasses or the 3d wizard, my eyes don't feel comfortable , it tires them out. Nice to know it works, but I'll stick with 2d. smile.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1397 of 2305
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Originally Posted by dahur View Post

No, I didn't try that. I'll get it back out tomorrow, and try again.

It's not as if changing the setting will give you more lumen's for 3D but it might help with crushed blacks if the device is indeed sending full range.

I have no personal experience with the 3D Wizard device so this is just something to try, likely it will not make a substantial difference. wink.gif

*** The Sony S590 should have multiple Picture modes and some of them do make the image 'brighter', it may even have custom modes where you can adjust it as needed for the 3D. I own the S580 and S780 and both have picture modes, on those models you select OPTION from the remote while playing video and then go into the VIDEO SETTINGS.

Jason
post #1398 of 2305
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

It's not as if changing the setting will give you more lumen's for 3D but it might help with crushed blacks if the device is indeed sending full range.

I have no personal experience with the 3D Wizard device so this is just something to try, likely it will not make a substantial difference. wink.gif

*** The Sony S590 should have multiple Picture modes and some of them do make the image 'brighter', it may even have custom modes where you can adjust it as needed for the 3D. I own the S580 and S780 and both have picture modes, on those models you select OPTION from the remote while playing video and then go into the VIDEO SETTINGS.

Jason

Thanks, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
post #1399 of 2305
I'd heard about the 3D Wizard before so when I saw it mentioned here I thought what the heck, it's only $34.25 on Amazon, I've blown more money on lesser things. Got it today and have been playing with it all night. First impression: very dark lenses, esp the right blue one. I also ordered Prometheus 3D which got great reviews for its 3D transfer and tried it right away. Really no big deal to get the thing working and I had 3D displaying right away. I cranked up the 3D Wizard brightness to the max, increased the PA70G lamp brightness to the max, and set dynamic contrast to max. The latter actually gives a bigger overall brightness boost than the lamp at the cost of some crushed colors. With all that the picture was still quite dark, but definitely watchable. With the glasses off the picture is almost blinding. The 3D effect in Prometheus is definitely there but rather on the disappointing side for me. Most of the image brightness comes through the left amber lens, while the right blue lens lets in much less light. This constantly gives me this uncomfortable feeling of having something in my right eye, or having some loss of vision in it. It diminishes the brain's ability to blend the two pictures into one considerably, at least for me. Additionally, while the amber lens rejects the other eye's image very well, the blue lens is much less effective at rejecting the left image and shows a lot of ghosting, and I do mean a lot. I think this is the single biggest reason the 3D effect is often subdued or practically absent, especially on smaller objects in the distance. The best effect occurs with large up close object such as facial close-ups. Still, the big difference in brightness between the two eyes is so irritating to me that it makes the whole experience quite unsatisfactory.

It seems to me that if this company can produce the 3D Wizard for such a low price and it already does so much 3D processing, the leap to more effective active glasses would be pretty minimal. The complexity of the box itself would hardly have to increase at all, instead of color coding the L/R images it would just display them as-is and send out the IR or RF signal to sync active glasses. Much of the cost of such a system resides in the glasses anyway. I wonder whether they're tinkering with a low cost active shutter product in their labs...
post #1400 of 2305
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

It's not as if changing the setting will give you more lumen's for 3D but it might help with crushed blacks if the device is indeed sending full range.

I have no personal experience with the 3D Wizard device so this is just something to try, likely it will not make a substantial difference. wink.gif

*** The Sony S590 should have multiple Picture modes and some of them do make the image 'brighter', it may even have custom modes where you can adjust it as needed for the 3D. I own the S580 and S780 and both have picture modes, on those models you select OPTION from the remote while playing video and then go into the VIDEO SETTINGS.

Jason

Well, I didn't wait until tomorrow. I changed the black level to high, which seemed to help just a tiny bit. I went to options in my Sony remote, and it had a theater setting, which helped a little. I made sure the Wizard was on full brightness, and I maxed out the brightness and contrast on the LG. One thing I forgot before was I had it on medium power setting, so I set it to minimum, (700 lumen). Doing all this took Hugo from a really unwatchable 3D movie experience, to borderline watchable. I'm projecting on a painted wall. My Elite screen hasn't been delivered yet. So that could improve it also, even though 2d blu ray looks amazing on my wall at 150 inches.. And finally, maybe I made a poor choice for my first 3D movie. Hugo seems to have a whole lot of dark scenes. I probably should have gotten a 3D animated movie instead. Any recommendations there...?
post #1401 of 2305
Has anyone sucessfully gotten either of these to be recognized by the projector:

LG LGE-WF100 WI-FI USB Adapter AN-WF100 -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-LGE-WF100-WI-FI-USB-Adapter-AN-WF100-/200876507136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec52c4000

or opened up their projector and knows which connector this card goes to?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-47LM8600-WiFi-Module-EAT61613401-TWFM-B003D-NEW-/281047842517?pt=US_TV_Boards_Parts_Components&hash=item416fc1bed5

In all the PA70g teardown photos. has anyone gotten a good picture of the fan? i'd like to identify the size/type and see if it can be replaced with a more efficient/quieter model


I ask because of the mentions of wifi dongles and this:
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Originally Posted by Pawel Dubiel View Post

I have another idea smile.gif I think that he left the lens is a place to tie-in WIFI module housing by typing a cable with 4 pin USB I think so,
PA75K is certified by the symbol WIFI 15258 WFA, you can download it in pdf.
LG TV have WIFI modules that shape to fit in the space in the chassis, the same place is also good for WiFi because plastic front, so a good field of view for antennas what do you know?
subsequently attached pic of the place in the housing


The metal plate are two holes which probably fit in the holder clicks into place

post #1402 of 2305
I think the internal WiFi will not work, has not found any outlet where you can connect to them, unless it is somewhere at the bottom of the motherboard, the USB Wifi dongle works in PB63K smile.gif I found not also in the service menu, nothing about WiFi, so I think in the current firmware version, wifi does not work, but the TV will operate.

It is a pity that in the region of the U.S., so the language will be English, I have a remote service is working as it should.




and a few photos from the TV but without the tuner whose smile.gif I have not yet I can not solder, because I lack some components, resistors and capacitors and stabilizer at 1.8 V.




XD Engine works properly with the TV which can be seen on analog smile.gif. jumping picture and sound in the absence of the channel. if the input CVSB XD Engine, provide the video signal, it was that you can see the image smile.gif. I'm sure that if you solder a TV tuner and the rest of the components that will work smile.gif

Page up and down, the remote control, changing TV channels, so you do not need another remote.

Edited by Pawel Dubiel - 1/10/13 at 11:03am
post #1403 of 2305
The 3D Wizard uses the Color Code 3D anaglyph format.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorCode_3D

If you have the 3D Wizrd, you might want to check out some of the Demo material at the Color Code website.
http://colorcode3d.com/Showroom.html

It is "Very Important" when using "any" 3D Glasses to block any and all reflections that are occuring on the inside of the lenses.

It is a huge factor in eye discomfort and also factors into image perception. So block those sides or work on light control of the viewing space.

The biggest factor of eye strain when watching stereographic 3D is the eye sync is inverted.

DLP Link glasses sync via a white flash on the projector screen. In doing so, they have a 50% of syncing correctly.

The eye sync can be corrected in the projector menu, but the best way is to have a invert sync function on the glasses.
Especially with more than one viewer.
post #1404 of 2305
To get a better understanding of depth and convergence settings and their effect on sterographic images/video, I recommend reading the S-3D Settings Guide.

http://www.mtbs3d.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6197&Itemid=98
post #1405 of 2305
Pawel,

Once you figure it out you can probably sell the add on system to the PA70g.
But I guess mine should be free since I discovered the capability biggrin.gif lol

Also, has anyone picked up the PA75k? I am wondering if there is a way to extract the firmware thats installed on that projector and load it on ours.

Even if we can compare the service menu maybe theres some more details to what is there.
post #1406 of 2305
ufffff. I bought passive components, but the sell of 100 smile.gif, sometimes when you need one, smile.gif 22 values, resistors and capacitors. Stabilizers at 1.8 V and adjustabile, because I'm not sure you want to use smile.gif, is still a ceramic filter, but I find it somewhere smile.gif.

As in the nearest time, assemble everything on the motherboard, and will be the first act to see, photograph smile.gif.


I wonder if you can in the service menu, and change the settings so that the TV was an option in the region since the EU is the U.S. that is responsible for the file, but the TV is hidden Compare the region 17 and 02 if they have any difference smile.gif




Changing the country code varies projector model:
01 - PA71K
02 - PA71U
17 - PA70G

So, already know why, there's a TV in the code, 01, 02 Unfortunately, there is no possibility assign PA71K, code 17, via the service menu.
Edited by Pawel Dubiel - 1/11/13 at 6:02am
post #1407 of 2305
Pawel Dubiel

I was wondering if there is a part number or manufacturer logo on the projectors lens assembly. I'm curios to find out who is making the optical for the PA70G.
post #1408 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Rugrash View Post

I would settle for a budget LED projector with a TI chipset that that actually has a few more mirrors than the claimed "native" resolution and is in a square pixel layout.

Plus a good lens would go a long way.

But I do have to say that it's amazing how well their on the fly conversion of the input signal to diamond pixel structure works, considering the layout and low number count of the mirrors on the DMD 0.45

Looks like better chips are here!


Texas Instruments Announces TRIP Chips Coming Soon to Pico Projectors

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/news/2013/01/10/texas-instruments-announces-trip-chips-coming-soon-to-pico-projectors/
post #1409 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Rugrash View Post

Looks like better chips are here!



Texas Instruments Announces TRIP Chips Coming Soon to Pico Projectors

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/news/2013/01/10/texas-instruments-announces-trip-chips-coming-soon-to-pico-projectors/

I think those are targeting the smart phone market
post #1410 of 2305
It saddens me to find out you are correct!

It does appear that they are targeted at phones and pocket projectors.
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