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post #151 of 2305
Yes i have a green slim, that same one the casio xja 240.Every manufacture is making some thing like it,laser/led hybred.viewsonic is doing just that with a 1080p 1200 lumen pj(out soon) ,most have a 720p version out or planned(benq, optoma,panny,veiwsonic casio so far have shown ).
post #152 of 2305
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Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

Yes i have a green slim, that same one the casio xja 240.Every manufacture is making some thing like it,laser/led hybred.viewsonic is doing just that with a 1080p 1200 lumen pj(out soon) ,most have a 720p version out or planned(benq, optoma,panny,veiwsonic casio so far have shown ).

That uses a colorwheel right?
post #153 of 2305
Hey..

Im not sure what to make of the PA70G anymore, after the feedback/reviews of the PA70G being not much more enhanced than the HW/HY series , it doesnt seem worthwhile or common sense in paying the addtional 200+ euro for it. Im also very concerned with this Whistling sound when the projector is in operation , really how could LG mess this up ? I think im going to move to the PB60G/Vivitek Qumi q5 direction, unless someone else can convince me that the PA70G is the better option to still go for.
post #154 of 2305
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Originally Posted by PoisonWolf View Post

That uses a colorwheel right?
yes ,only the slims use a color wheel and the benq has one also but works totaly diferent.the benq uses a blue lazer stack and colors on the wheel for all colors,the slims use a red led and blue laser that has a yellow part of the wheel for green and clear for the blue-most hybreds are red and blue led and blue laser thu yellow glass for the green.The otrher 3 casio types are colorwheel less.
post #155 of 2305
I got my LG PA70G yesterday and so far after 6hrs of operation the fan noise is not louder than my LGHS201 on all settings, no whistling sound. I'm still adjusting the settings and I'm also getting used to the higher resolution compared to 800x600 smile.gif It's connected to my laptop, the text sharpness got better after hours of operation. The fan noise on max brightness i think is not that bad maybe even slightly quieter than the HS201 max brightness. The diamond shape pixels is the only thing I don't like about this new projector bec. it makes text jagged. Also at the same distance from the wall the PA70G projects a bigger image. I'm gonna do a side by side to really see. So from HS201 to PA70G it's worth the upgrade but I probably wouldnt if I have HW/HY series.


Edited by kennl66 - 7/19/12 at 2:13am
post #156 of 2305
i'm still very happy with the HS200 and used it almost every day since Nov 2009, i'm thinking about upgrading for the resolution, brightness is not a problem cuz i in total dark i use the HS200 in eco mode and never had a problem with a 100 inch screen, could u make a side by side comparasion with an HD movie and texts? i mainly use the projector for movies and videogames, Thank u in advance wink.gif
post #157 of 2305
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Originally Posted by kennl66 View Post

I got my LG PA70G yesterday and so far after 6hrs of operation the fan noise is not louder than my LGHS201 on all settings, no whistling sound. I'm still adjusting the settings and I'm also getting used to the higher resolution compared to 800x600 smile.gif It's connected to my laptop, the text sharpness got better after hours of operation. The fan noise on max brightness i think is not that bad maybe even slightly quieter than the HS201 max brightness. The diamond shape pixels is the only thing I don't like about this new projector bec. it makes text jagged. Also at the same distance from the wall the PA70G projects a bigger image. I'm gonna do a side by side to really see. So from HS201 to PA70G it's worth the upgrade but I probably wouldnt if I have HW/HY series.

Damn. That would drive me insane. Just seeing the text...ugh. I'll stick to my HX350t for now. Lol.
post #158 of 2305
Kennl66, it would be great if you can help check to see if there is any improvement on input lag compare to the HS201. I wonder if LG has use a new HDMI controller for the PA series.
post #159 of 2305
not to mention the bad chromatic aberration
post #160 of 2305
Ooh no not again!

After my disappointment with the LG HW300Y I decided I was done with LG. But then came the LG PA70G and again got really exited about this PJ thinking they must have learned from their mistakes.

Got the LG PA70G today and only took me a few hours to decide to send it back. mad.gif

It had uneven focus, the right or the left side was always out of focus. It was also impossible for me to get an overall sharp image as with the LG HW300Y or Acer K330. Default Sharpness setting was already at level 70 and resulted in some ugly halos around objects. Don't know if this blurry image is a software of hardware thing.

Another problem I had was with the focus ring, the distance between the PA70G and the wall was 2.1 meters (6.8 feet) and the focus ring was already at maximum. For me it was just enough but would have been a problem if the distance was (just a little bit) larger.

Still no real 24Hz support!!! Sure you can feed it 1080p24 but again like the HW300Y its converted to 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown judder as result.

The PJ made a high pitched sound in the medium and minimum power savings mode. The maximum power savings mode was fine though.

Also did not really see much improvement in brightness, the PA70G is rated 700 ANSI Lumen and 15000:1 contrast ratio but to be honest I couldn't see much difference compared to the K330. Both PJ where in their maximum power savings mode and in a light controlled room.

Watched the same test video on the Acer K330 and it was so much better.. it was like taking of dirty glasses.
Sadly the LG PA70G was not the upgrade I hoped for.. but to look on the bright side I saved a lot of money today wink.gif


My history and personal rating:

LG HW300Y (Returned)
+ Good colours.
+ Sharp image.
+ Nice remote control.
- 16:9 stretching bug.
- No real 24Hz support, 1080p24 gets converted to 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown judder as result.

Acer K330 (Using)
+ 24Hz support.
+ Sharp enough image.
+- Colours needs some tweaking.
- Needs to warm up for getting a good focus.
- Loosing sync when switching video resolutions.
- Credit card sized remote control.

LG PA70G (Going to return)
+ Good colours
+ Low fan noise in maximum power savings.
+ Nice remote control
+ Good loudspeakers
- High pitched sound in medium and minimum power saving modes.
- Uneven focus, left or right side of the image was always out of focus.
- Blurry image, at default settings Sharpness is already on level 70 which gives ugly halos around objects.
- Focus ring already at maximum at only 2.1 meters from the wall.
- No real 24 Hz support. Same 3:2 pulldown judder as on the HW300Y.
- 15000:1 contrast ratio? did not see much difference.

No more LG for me.. this time for real! rolleyes.gif
post #161 of 2305
Graafish

Everyone was thinking it but not saying it , thankfully you said it, LG PA70G is another CLUSTER F%%k by LG, how many times can they get this wrong ? what gen model number are we on now ? OK im heading towards Vivitek Qumi Q5 , possibly PB60G ( thats only if theres no focus issues ) its just totally unacceptable these errors are happening, there should be absolutely no mistakes after being like 5 yrs into making portable projectors ..grr
post #162 of 2305
Dear visitors,
I have said before few days the following:
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...But there is little problem with focus, one corner seems to be more focused than the another, but just slightly
I just solved my small focus issue (one corner was focused better than the another one). I just followed this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1304775/vivitek-qumi-led-1280x800/1800#post_21450953

I just played with that 2 screws and focus problem solved!! Just a sligtly screw counterclockwise turns, then a bit moves with the whole optic and it makes the image perfectly focused! I dont know why LG doesnt make it perfect by default rolleyes.gif
I dont agree with graafish, because I can put projector almost 3 meters from the wall and make it well focused.

fatalfury:
Dont buy at the Vivitek, they are really not serious company. Few days ago they had on the official site (vivitek.eu) specifications like a: contrast ration 3500:1 and microSD card included and now they have contrast ratio 10 000:1 and no microSD card slot? I have asked on the official vivitek facebook channel and the boy from the Vivitek was 100% sure that microSD is still included as on the Qumi Q2....after a week he said: "sorry, I called to the vivitek team and they have said me, that there isnt microSD card slot now"..... So official Vivitek facebook admin dont know nothing about their products...horrible. Also they promised me that the release date at my region is in the middle of June as its presented on the official site. But now they say "it will be at August"......also they removed few my posts on their facebook wall...

I toke few quick fotos by my phone-camera:









Edited by Honzik1 - 7/19/12 at 3:51pm
post #163 of 2305
Graafish, thank you posting your hands-on experience with the LG PA70G. I have the Acer K330 also and enjoy it greatly on a 120" 16:9 1.0 screen in a completely light-controlled room.
I have my components connected to a UPS battery backup which solved the HDMI disconnect issue (there is still a normal two-second interruption but only when switching sources while the signal syncs). I can watch entire blu-ray films without interruption now.
I was strongly considering the LG PA70G, but no more. The Acer K330 does have a nice image, naturally strong, clear colors, good contrast (more would be better, but good enough for now, for the cost), and I am able to get an overall good focus. I am focusing from a bit over 12 feet away from the screen. I let the projector warmup for 25 minutes when I initially set it up, then focused it in for best result. Now, I never touch it, I just let it run for 20 minutes or so before watching, and it's fine.
Your information was so helpful, you've saved me the time and cost of trying the LG PA70G. I'll keep enjoying the Acer K330 until something substantially better is available. These forums really do allow users to benefit from the knowledge and experience of others.
post #164 of 2305
Hi Honzik

Man, you must seriosuly have balls the size of melons to just open up your BRAND NEW projector and tinker with the insides, totally fearless with voiding the warranty, i truly applaud your self diagnotics and correcting the focus issues on your own back and not relying on LG ( non-existent ) support, but like you say it should be PERFECT right out of the box , why should i pay for a faulty product ? LG expect us to accept this substandard products as the 'norm' ? well i certainly wont pay a penny for such a product. Thanks so much for sharing your insight with this projector , i do owe you a beer or two if i ever met you , beacuse you saved me money in the long term and better still alot of headaches.

As for the vivitek , i think they have the same Marketing as LG , as in none, total shambles when it comes to distributing and advertsing there products. I think the vivitek Qumi Q5 will be more what im aiming for , i totally agree with you honzik about companies lack of knowledge , but its more of a case of them employing any one these days, what happened to employing people with passion for electronics? ive noticed this far too often, to save a buck or two they hire inexperienced staff , who have no interest in the products , hence alot of misinformation being spread around. Ultimately i will just wait for its release and feedback on this board.
post #165 of 2305
I will not buy another diamond pixel frankenstein TI chipped projector, I will save my money and wait for a proper 1080P LED projector, I can't see them releasing another series of diamond pixel 720P chip in 2013, until then..good night and good luck:rolleyes:
post #166 of 2305
LG is clearly more concerned about the glossy exterior of its products than how they function.

Shame that reddot, which awarded the PA70G a design award, doesn't require nominees to also demonstrate a track record of accurate specs, proper performance, and customer service/care after the sale. Not only half the time but all the time.

Unfortunately, the shiny exterior shell is more important than actual performance.
http://en.red-dot.org/2786.html?&cHash=1c39b51a21c6a13fc59698a38212ce7d&detail=9336

No more LG for me. I'll keep enjoying my HS201, even with its limited 800x600 resolution until hopefully a Japanese manufacturer (already been hurt enough by the likes of LG dumping their half-baked tech into the marketplace), steps up to the plate with something good - even if it costs a little more.
post #167 of 2305
First I just want to say that I have had enough of wasting my money on these LED projectors frown.gif Everytime a new Projector gets released I think to myself "Maybe finally it will be bright enough to have a 3 meter wide image LOL and maybe FINALLY the projector will have no focus issues" but yes as always seems to be the case there is focus issues on all the LED projectors (I did read a review that said the ASUS LED Projector had excellent sharp focus, but that projector is only 200Lumens) and the amount of rainbow effect seems to vary from not that bad to really bad! LOL
I remember when the Samsung SP-F10 led projector was released I thought "WOW! Im sure in 2 years time we will have full hd 2000Lumen projectors!" Wow was I wrong!

Speaking of the Samsung Projector Ive decided that that will be my last LED Projector purchase and if Im not happy with it I will just buy myself a 32" led tv and enjoy motion blur for the next few years until
OLED TVs come down in price and then buy myself a 55" TV.

I recently bought the LG PA70G and can confirm that:
* It DOES have a whistling sound, but let me emphasize that in my opinion it is not a big deal and Im sure you will not hear it while watching a movie, it is not loud at all.
* I dont know if the lense is glass or plastic but what I can confirm is that it does not have edge to edge sharpness (Well, at least my unit didnt.) That being said it still has MUCH better sharpness
for the majority of the screen than for example the ACER K330 (Which had soft focus spots all over the place (again my unit did, I dont know if this was issue with ALL the Acer K330´s though from what Ive read on here it seems most people are saying it has focus problems.) My LG PA70G was only slightly out of focus on the side part of the screen, but to be honest I still find that unacceptable. I payed 700euros for a partly blurry screen! LOL I mean imagine if people where talking about the soft focus issue on the TV forums! it would go something like this I think "Parts of the screen on my new 55" are blurry..But its not that bad I can live with it because Im just so happy with the huge image I have now compared to my 32" TV" Im sure people would reply "Dude! Are you crazy, send that tv back!" .
I mean NO ONE im sure would buy a out of focus TV LOL.
* Ive owned the Acer K330 and to me the brightness of the LG PA70G at its middle setting seems identical to the Acer K330 on its Eco mode setting.
* another issue I must mention is that I dont know why but this LG PA70G projector and the ACER K130 made me feel like I was going to either get a Migraine or have a seizure if I didnt turn it off immediatly! I Suffer from Photo sensitive epilipsy and for some reason these two projectors make my brain feel VERY strained when I try to watch a movie on it. I dont know why. Im thinking maybe it has
something to do with the rainbow effect which I found to be absolutley VERY obvious on these two projectors. Ive owned a DLP Bulb projector in the past and even though I quite often would see rainbows
not once did I ever feel like my eyes or brain were being strained while watching a movie.

I had no problem watching movies on the ACER K330 even though I did notice rainbows from time to time, except once I did feel abit sick in my stomach while watching a movie but overall the image produced by the projector did not hurt my eyes like the LG PA70G and ACER K130.
I literally plugged in the LG, turned it on and within 5 minutes turned it off.
Thats why Im thinking of either buying a LED tv or SAMSUNG LED Projector...
post #168 of 2305
OK, I have to express this to anyone who is of the mindset to receive and comprehend what I’m stating. I expect most of the readers of this AVSforum to understand the importance of video/audio quality, because you sought out and took a heightened interest in reading and/or posting on this forum; logically then, that implies that you care more, and are more informed about, high quality video/audio, right? Therefore, presumably, you are more engaged, enlightened, informed in video/audio than the average person in the population, correct?
If you, fellow AVSforum user, didn’t give a flip about your home video/audio experience, then presumably, you would just watch whatever standard definition programming your local cable service offered, or just subscribe to SD (standard definition) satellite TV, or use whatever TV programming available to watch something, even if it were an analog 4:3 CRT set connected to a DTV convertor box, and you wouldn’t bother to know more.
Like most AVSforum users, I am extremely aware and analytical of video/audio quality. There are a LOT of snobs (in various topic threads in this forum); those users who believe that a relatively expensive UHP, (Ultra High Performance, mercury arc lamp projector), is superior to an inexpensive LED HD(720p) DLP projector.
Crap I say; absolute crap. In a light-controlled viewing room, even these certain 500 lumen, 720P, LED DLP projectors (Acer K330, ViewSonic PLED-W500, Optoma ML500, NEC W50, et al) produce an amazing image, considering the cost of the hardware. Replacing a fragile UHP conventional lamp repeatedly, would be a total PITA (Pain in the A**), compared to the projected runtime of LEDs.
I have observed the new Sharp 90 inch LCD in a local retail store, and assess that the 120 inch image from my Acer K330 is more engaging and enjoyable than the 90 inch LCD. I carefully observed a Sharp 90 inch LCD flat panel displaying HD content at a retail store just yesterday (July 21, 2012). I then came home that same night and watched a blu-ray movie at a 120 inch image size on my $500 LED DLP HD projector that beats the 90” LCD hands down . . . in my opinion. Yes, this qualitative assessment is totally objective, but my opinion is that until flat-panel, (at minimum 120 inch screen sizes), are widely available for under $1,000, then even the 720P, 500 lumen LED HD DLP projectors are superior.
Ninety inches is still much smaller than 120 inches as far as visual impact. Inform me when flatscreen, 120 inch panels sell for $500 or $600 dollars, and I’ll replace my LED DLP HD projector with a flatpanel display. My 120 inch projector’s image visually looks much more like projected film stock than the artificial, cartoonish image I see on any direct-view panels today, even the new 90 inch panels.
I like sitting in my darkened home theater room, watching a huge-scale, 120 inch, moving image which is a wall of pure light and shadow, such as I recall from the times I spent watching films in a public theater . . . . only this is in my own home!
Edited by RonKnox - 7/22/12 at 3:41am
post #169 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RonKnox View Post

Crap I say; absolute crap. In a light-controlled viewing room, even these certain 500 lumen, 720P, LED DLP projectors (Acer K330, ViewSonic PLED-W500, Optoma ML500, NEC W50, et al) produce an amazing image, considering the cost of the hardware. Replacing a fragile UHP conventional lamp repeatedly, would be a total PITA (Pain in the A**), compared to the projected runtime of LEDs.
I have observed the new Sharp 90 inch LCD in a local retail store, and assess that the 120 inch image from my Acer K330 is more engaging and enjoyable than the 90 inch LCD. I carefully observed a Sharp 90 inch LCD flat panel displaying HD content at a retail store just yesterday (July 21, 2012). I then came home that same night and watched a blu-ray movie at a 120 inch image size on my $500 LED DLP HD projector that beats the 90” LCD hands down . . . in my opinion. Yes, this qualitative assessment is totally objective, but my opinion is that until flat-panel, (at minimum 120 inch screen sizes), are widely available for under $1,000, then even the 720P, 500 lumen LED HD DLP projectors are superior.
Ninety inches is still much smaller than 120 inches as far as visual impact. Inform me when flatscreen, 120 inch panels sell for $500 or $600 dollars, and I’ll replace my LED DLP HD projector with a flatpanel display. My 120 inch projector’s image visually looks much more like projected film stock than the artificial, cartoonish image I see on any direct-view panels today, even the new 90 inch panels.
I like sitting in my darkened home theater room, watching a huge-scale, 120 inch, moving image which is a wall of pure light and shadow, such as I recall from the times I spent watching films in a public theater . . . . only this is in my own home!

Different environment. One is lit, one is not. You're more likely to find the darkened room more engaging.

Each caters to a different market. So you can't really say what you're saying. Some people like to watch movies in a lit room whereas some prefer the dark ambience akin to that of a theater.

If as you say, the members of these forums are true audio/videophiles, you really shouldn't even bring the topic of cost into the subject. Whether an 80-inch TV costs $10000 or your projector costs $500 should be an irrelevant factor when in the pursuit of home-theater perfection.

From the way you wrote your post, I ultimately read it as you simply trying to justify your purchase.
post #170 of 2305
I believe I should work as hard to spend my money as vendors work to take it. I come to this forum to learn about technology so I can make informed purchases. It boils down to: “Can I live with the manufacturing compromises within my budget

My standard for audio and video is not being distracted by technological compromises. I grew of with analog video (NTSC) and sound so it is fairly easy to please me.

1080 versus 720 is a no-brainer for me: it is 720 because 1080 requires special conditions (and very well recorded images) to be barely more enjoyable. As 1080 continues to drop in price my interest in purchasing 1080 technology will rise. MP3 sound is acceptable because I use a compromise loudspeaker system: I have satellites and a subwoofer. Yes, I can clearly hear the difference but I can enjoy the highly compressed sound without distraction.

This forum allows me to view the experiences others choose to share and decide if I want to share those experiences. I regard these LED mini projectors as a technological breakthrough. I bought a couple of Epson HC 720’s as refurbs and I enjoyed them. I bought them because of the price, the quality and the warranty. I bought my LG HW300T because of the price (half MSRP), the quality, warranty, and the lack of worry over the engine (LED LAMP).

I have read several flawed opinions about buyers being overly concerned about lamp life. The main point is that UHP (bulb) lamps last from 2000 – 5000 hours and thus cost only pennies. The flaw is that manufacturers DO NOT warrantee their lamps for several thousand hours. They typically warrantee them for 90 days. That is the logical starting for calculating the cost of owning a lamp based projector. I would not consider a car with a ninety day engine warranty and a two year other parts warrantee. (I bought two HC 720 projectors because the second projector was nearly equal to the cost of a replacement bulb).

It gets worse with regard to owning a UHP (bulb) projector. I have yet to see any reviews that show the change (like the hybrid Casio’s) in brightness as a function of time. Just because a review indicates a certain level of brightness for a new projector that does not give any indication what that brightness will be like in lets say 90 days! Considering that brightness is one major factor in deciding on which projector to buy I consider that important.

I am extremely sensitive to the RBE (rainbow effect). This forum provided enough insight for me to take a chance with an electronic DLP projector. I still see the RBE on my LG HW300 but now I have isolated that situation to when images are set close to the 6500K (cinema picture setting on my projector). Since I prefer cooler images I am not very distracted.

I have a high gain screen that is almost thirty years old that I kept in anticipation of advances in projector technology. It works well in a dual projector polarized 3D system. It is too small to really appreciate 3D but the gain allows me to watch (test) video in the daytime in the brightest sun on the lowest projector output of my 300 lumen projector. So I know that a three hundred lumen picture under the proper circumstances can produce a compelling picture. The downside is that I must use a special screen. That is a compromise that I am currently evaluating. But I also learned that the high gain made the RBE extremely pronounced. Again, that is another situation that I must evaluate.

The reason for the long post is that I am not seeking high quality; I am seeking good enough quality. And more importantly, the best quality I can justify for the price. I read about the experiences of others and try to learn enough to feel that I have made a good purchase. Then I look forward to my next purchase!
post #171 of 2305
I agree with everything you say mate, i have a limited budget myself I have managed to scrape together roughly $850 , I was unsure what to get, i have friends with LED and normal lamp projectors, I did not know what to buy, I have trouble with RBE also, as you said we lived with standard Def Tv for years, am sure even a 200 lumen Lg HS201 at 60" is more pleasurable than my family's old 21" Tv , and here in Uk up until 1984 we only had 3 Tv Channels!!!, I remember I was chuffed to be given a 13" black and white Tv in 1987, I have a 3 Tb External Hard drive , with all my movies and series on, and whatever projector I choose it will be 720P and that will be good enough for me, as you say it depends on your budget, not everyone can slpash out on high end equipment , some people shoot down 500 lumen projectors , but as the saying goes 'one mans trash is another mans treasure'
post #172 of 2305
obscuro
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I am not seeking high quality; I am seeking good enough quality. And more importantly, the best quality I can justify for the price. I read about the experiences of others and try to learn enough to feel that I have made a good purchase. Then I look forward to my next purchase!

Ahem Brother, you summed it up nicely!!

Ronknox - We are not elitists or tech snobs , we are just average joes, however that doesnt mean that we readily accept any thing the 'companies' sell with a new paint of coat as the next best thing, its proven on here and perhaps with most other electrical items that latest isnt always the greatest. Forums like this help us too pool our info/resources and expereinces to let us come to a better decision, not be misled with the power of advertising and marketing whose sole goal is to just make you buy without question. IMHO questions are good, questions get people thinking and gives solutions not problems, so let people have there questions and let them decide for themselves in their own time.

Im glad for this forum and the valuable insights the members offer. smile.gif
post #173 of 2305
Hey, these are all interesting comments, so thanks to all posters for the input.
I’d like to address points individually, per specific topic, but before I do, I wish to explicitly clarify that I respect the importance of everyone having the indisputable right to their own opinion as a matter of free speech.

Fatalfury posted,
“I’m glad for this forum and the valuable insights the members offer.”
Ah, I agree. The information, viewpoints, and experiences posted herein, are very helpful to me and, I’d suppose, also for others also to make their own decisions.
Fatalfury also posted,
“Ronknox - We are not elitists or tech snobs , we are just average joes”
I don’t mean you specifically, fatalfury; I didn’t write “all posters”, I just stated that, “There are a LOT of snobs (in various topic threads in this forum)” - meaning not everyone in these forums, just some users whose posts I’ve read.
In fact, in hindsight, I would have expressed myself more accurately by stating “some posters” (not “a LOT”). I can’t help that for whatever reason, you assumed that I included yourself in that reference, so please don’t assume that.
Fatalfury, who is this ‘we” group that you refer to anyway, as in, “Ronknox - We are not elitists or tech snobs , we are just average joes”? Do you mean yourself and the other posters here on the AVS forums?
I’m a poster on these forums too, right? As an AVS forum poster myself, do you mean me included too in your “we”, in which case I’m referring to myself as well? Think about what you are expressing, and don’t be so easily offended.
If someone, anyone, here in these forums, posted that some, or even a lot, of the users here seem to be one thing or another, I wouldn’t just assume that the poster was referring to me.
Fatalfury, you are right on the mark about not just accepting what manufacturers publish, but rather to evaluate, post, and think objectively, I agree on that.

To clarify a bit what I mean: there are some posters (that is, ratings obsessed posters) I’ve read here in the forum threads, who copy and paste manufacturer’s specs and by that action, claim that one product is better over another, simply because of the better “ratings”. Not always so.

PoisonWolf:
Yes, you are correct in what you posted, that I do find a darkened room more engaging.
Interestingly, you also post, “So you can't really say what you're saying”. That’s poorly expressed logically and literally isn’t it? Of course I can say what I’m saying . . . I just said it, (that is, I posted it), didn’t I?
If I couldn’t say it (i.e. post it), it wouldn’t even visible be right here for all to read would it? I am only expressing an opinion, one of the reasons why users post here, and my opinion (just as everyone has the right to his or her own opinion).
I’m only supposing that what you mean, is that you don’t agree with what I’m expressing, and that is reasonable, but do not tell me what I can or cannot express.
Referring to me, PoisonWolf, you also posted; “you really shouldn't even bring the topic of cost into the subject”. I make this point: you are posting within a forum of the topic,
“LG PA70G LED 1280x800 700 Lumens”, which is categorized under the topic, “Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP”. Scroll down to just below the last post on this thread and look at the AVS Forum tree, if you don’t believe me; the complete categorization is: AVS Forum -> Display Devices -> Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP -> LG PA70G LED 1280x800 700 Lumens.
It’s expressly appropriate to consider cost, given the forum’s parameters. Really, were you aware of this forum’s topic in which you posted?
Anytime anyone expresses to me what I “should” or “should not” do, I take that to be a judgment call on their part, and I will point out if that call is right or wrong. You are wrong on this one, PoisonWolf.
If you wish to comment on items wherein cost is no consideration, then why not simply post in the appropriate forum.
Actually, even with cost no issue, I still prefer the visual characteristics of LED DLP projectors. If I had the choice of watching a blu-ray movie on an HD flat-panel in one room, or on an LED DLP HD projector in another room, I would still watch the projector because the image looks more film-like to me. That’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it, just as I respect the opinion of others.
PoisonWolf also posted, “From the way you wrote your post, I ultimately read it as you simply trying to justify your purchase.”
Truly, I aspire to be as fair as possible, so I accept your opinion, as you interpret it. You know what your opinion is far better than anyone else, and you know best how you interpret what you read.
However to be clear about the issue, I am so totally satisfied with my purchase of an Acer K330, that I ordered another new Acer K330 to have as a spare! How’s that for justification!
Yeah, I have friends over to my house to watch movies on my projector, and the experience is so enjoyable, I ordered and received another Acer K330 to keep on hand as a backup should for any reason, my first unit stop working, at which point I could just immediately replace it with the second unit and continue with an evening of cinema.
Now as for justification, I am just trying to be helpful to others on this forum to justify their purchase, by communicating my experiences.
Oh well, everyone has the right to their own opinion. I do ask that when commenting, please consider this.
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I must criticize myself on my previous post (yesterday) in this thread for it being too wordy and in some ways, off topic. Wow, I just now scanned over the post and it would have been better to be not so heavy handed but to lighten up, be briefer, and write about the product. Going forward, I’ll strive to keep posts as concise and to-the-point and talk about the product to best be helpful and serve the informative purposes of the forum.
The Acer K330 is just right for my purposes currently, but it may not be liked by users who don’t have a reason to consider its outstandingly good price/performance ratio – that’s only my opinion, but I’m sure of it for myself.
Having a projector setup that’s good enough in image quality now, allows me to be engaged completely in viewing content and enjoy it all I want without regret, while I read about and wait for ever better products, which I hope will be developed.
I’m posting some photos taken of screen shots of the Acer K330, and the boxes the units come in. I use the second K330 to take when I travel, so I can leave the first one in place.




post #175 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RonKnox View Post

PoisonWolf:
Yes, you are correct in what you posted, that I do find a darkened room more engaging.

This was all I needed to hear.

You like the picture put forth by 5 benjamins.

Some people like the picture on a 70-inch TV in a lit room regardless if it costs 50 benjamins and up (and if 50 benjamins is chump change to them).

Others yet again prefer $2k projectors that are useable during the day.

Point is, no one category is superior over the other. People will always like the stuff that they've purchased and chosen to keep.

A 70-inch HDTV will trump your 100+ inch image from the acer in terms of sharpness though. Pixel density. =)
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PoisonWolf, I agree with you, no question about it that a 70 inch (or 50, 52, 55, 60, 80, 90 inch, well, any size!) HDTV flat panel (Sharp Aquos, or any major brand) trumps my little Acer K330 (and the virtually similar “clones”, the Optoma ML500, ViewSonic PLED-W500, and NEC) in every measurable way: sharpness, brightness, contrast ratio, and other aspects.
PoisonWolf, totally I agree also with what you posted that;
“Point is, no one category is superior over the other. People will always like the stuff that they've purchased and chosen to keep.”
I have a Samsung 52 inch LCD HDTV, 1080P, 120Hz, in the bedroom and it produces stellar images, just, for lack of any better word, startlingly real moving images from a good HD source. I can go from my bedroom (with the 52” flatpanel, 1080P, 120Hz) playing, to walk a few steps then to my living room with the 720P Acer LED DLP projector and see the difference. I have blu-ray players, 5.1 surround sound audio system, and HDTV programming connected to both, so I can watch whatever I have access to on either system, at any time.
Cost is not such a big issue for me. Here’s some background information on my situation, and I post this only because I think that this information clarifies why I like what I like, and why I buy what I buy, so possibly to help others here make a decision.
I’m 48 years old, and at this point, I owe nothing on my modest house, my plain car, nor on anything. I am sincerely grateful to have reached this point in my life. I am frugal: I save for my retirement, which is coming soon, I save money for unexpected expenses, and I basically don’t see the need to spend money, even though I have it, without due justification. I maintain and drive my vehicles to 250,000 miles because it gets me where I want to go, reasonably safely.
I write this information only to clarify that I really didn’t buy my Acer projectors because they were only $500 (I bought on sale from TigerDirect for $499, they are regularly more, but if you check the website every week, you can catch them on sale for just $499) but because they fascinate me for what they do.
I regularly went to the movies as a youth, and I was enthralled by the sheer size of the images – they were so large that they commanded attention. So, a few years ago (2011 back thru 2007), I looked into getting a projector so I could have a 120 inch image in my home (the size that satisfies me, for home cinema). I learned that projectors were available to output my desired 120 inch (16:9) image alright, but that these projectors used a highly volatile, fragile, high-temperature bulb which could last anywhere from 2,000 to 4,000 hours; that is IF the bulb didn’t pop - didn’t suddenly burn out spontaneously for whatever reason. How crude I thought; are these bulbs liken to the old vacuum-tubes that for decades, were used in television sets, that is until solid-state transistors were invented? I further learned that these bulbs may be 2,000 or more lumens when new, but that they continually drop in light output throughout their lifespan, even to the point that UHP bulbs reach only a few hundred lumens at the end!
Well sheesh, I thought, at least these new LED HD DLP projectors output a relatively consistent ~500 lumens all through all their 20,000 hour or so runtime, without the need to replace a bulb. Since not only do I not have a problem watching films in a darkened room, I actually prefer it, because the experience is like what I so fondly recall from my years going to the theater. I have no desire to watch my projection image in normally-lit room, though I understand that many (if not most people) do. I reasoned that I’d be far better off buying one of these new, ~500 lumen HD LED DLP projectors to get the huge (120 inch) image that I prefer, rather than buying one of the conventional projectors that use a fragile lamp which requires replacing regularly. I easily converted my living room to a totally dark environment by blocking out the windows, so I was ready to go.
(Oh, on a side note here as to why I can modify my house however I want; I’m single, no wife, no kids, not even any annoying pets, so I do whatever I want in my house. I date women, but under my own terms, which means that both she and I get what we want from the dating, friends with benefits as-it-were, but no marriage, - but that’s a whole other issue for another time and forum!)
Anywhoooo, I ordered and received an Acer K330, then set it up with a very capable Panasonic blu-ray player, HDTV tuner, Yamaha receiver and Boston Acoustics 5.1 surround speaker system, onto a 120 inch 16:9 projection screen in my totally-darkened living room, and I was won over by how much the images looked like what I remember from all the years of me going to the cinema in a darkened environment.
Logic tells me that I should prefer my Samsung flatscreen because of its clearly, even vastly, superior in every way specifications, yet . . . when I buy, or rent, that new blu-ray disc, and I want to view and hear it in a manner similar to the theater I am so fond of . . . I find myself going into my living room, into the dark environment, thrilled with the gigantic, 120 inch image and digital surround sound that my system there provides.
It’s my wish, that in this enlightened forum, posters would share how they experience and feel about their own home theater experiences emotionally, without technical specifications cited. My current projection system reaches a baseline of realism, such so that when I watch and hear a film on my 120 inch projected image, I get so seriously involved in the action and drama of what’s on the screen, that the resolution, sharpness, contrast ratio, nor any other technical specifications are not in my mind at all. I simply experience the film transparently of the equipment, transported to another world, another reality. It’s awesome, and that’s what home theater is all about.
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Originally Posted by PoisonWolf View Post

Different environment. One is lit, one is not. You're more likely to find the darkened room more engaging.
Each caters to a different market. So you can't really say what you're saying. Some people like to watch movies in a lit room whereas some prefer the dark ambience akin to that of a theater.
If as you say, the members of these forums are true audio/videophiles, you really shouldn't even bring the topic of cost into the subject. Whether an 80-inch TV costs $10000 or your projector costs $500 should be an irrelevant factor when in the pursuit of home-theater perfection.
From the way you wrote your post, I ultimately read it as you simply trying to justify your purchase.
I agree with poison, I've had several LED projectors, all from LG and none of them was acceptable, OK image for the price, but focusing issues, stretching issues, low contrast, I can't believe they can't make a solid LED projector with acceptable contrast and a good glass lens. I will consider another LED projector when the 1080P LED projectors are released at under 1,000 and with better contrast and better optics. but in all fairness, I was a at bestbuy store today and was watching the 90" inch LED flat panel TV and it looked really bad. I predict that the 1090P model will be coming in 2013, so boycott LG and they will get the message and start producing better products and improving their horrible customer service
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In a local BestBuy store, I saw and carefully evaluated the image quality of a Sharp 90 inch 1080P 120Hz flat panel, displaying HD content, and it looked bad to me also.
The pixelation was so distracting; sure the screen was large, 90 inches, but it just enlarged the 1080 by 1920 pixel array without smoothly blending individual pixels, as good cinema does.
The technical specifications of the 90 inch panel were great, but the real viewing experience is bad. Rated specifications are not the be-all tell-all that some people cling to.
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I just this evening, at home, watched the opening ceremonies of the London 2012 Summer Olympics in HD with a friend on my 120 inch, HD 16:9 projection screen, and both she and I, were so glad that we had such a truly large screen on which to watch this visually rich spectacle. We both together have viewed HD on even the latest Sharp 90 inch flatscreen at the local Best Buy, but really, 90 inches is still just small compared to 120 inches. As much as direct-view, flatscreen panels might measure better on the battle of certain specific specifications, they lose the whole war as regards visual impact, in my opinion, due to limited size.
What are manufacturers of flatscreens trying to do anyway? Looking at past history, over time, they are marketing larger and larger flatscreens incrementally, (50”, 60”, 70”, 80”, and now 90”), when all the while, projectors already easily surpass even the largest available flat screen panels by far.
Case in point; I just this past Wednesday, went to see “The Dark Knight Rises” at an IMAX theater. I waited several days after the film was released to avoid the long lines and crowds, so that I could easily get a seat at the center of screen in the auditorium on the seventh row back from the front, at the best “sweet spot” for my preference of viewing, and what a rewarding visual experience!
I thought this: “If flatscreens are “better” than projection technology, then why aren’t there public cinemas set up to have several rooms, each with at least a 90 inch flatscreen, so that people could pay money for a ticket to see a premiere film on a flatscreen? The reason is that inherently, people know that life in front of their eyes does not happen restricted to within a 90 inch (or similar) rectangular area, but rather, life experiences happen as big as possible, up to and including the entire area of a person’s field of vision.
Now, to the extent that I am aware of, movie-ticket purchasers in public cinemas are not complaining about having to sit in a dark environment to view the current blockbuster film, such as “The Dark Knight Rises”. If you are one of those persons who, for whatever reason, prefers having relatively bright lights on in the room when watching a film, then I sincerely wonder, why do you go to the theater? Notices in the public theater inform viewers to turn off cell phones, don’t they?
If having relatively bright lights on in the room while watching is essential to a person, then get a flatscreen, so you can read, text, or whatever else priority it is that you are wanting to do, while paying only partial attention to the film.
My projector’s 120 inch image is good enough to make me not care about watching the same programming on even the much smaller 90 inch flatscreens that I’ve seen for myself at a store. As good as the currently available 90 inch flatscreens are (and I’m thinking specifically of the recently released Sharp 90”), there are still no 120 inch 16:9 flatscreens available that I’m aware of (July 2012). I still regard 90 inch or smaller screens as comparatively ‘smaller screens”. Someone, please inform me when flatscreens are available at 120 inches or larger, and I’ll take them more seriously.
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RonKnox:
Are your posts about the LG PA70G or Acer K330?
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