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post #1561 of 2305
smile.gif I came to the settings in which the image is more crisp and clear but I have to have 2 user mode1 for watching movies, and user mode2 to store your HD TV, mode1 user settings for HD TV, too underline the edges, so the user mode2 more softening, image and is OK.

Well with, there are two user modes, at least do not have to constantly change the settings.

But in spite of everything I believe that diamond arrangement of pixels, performs worse than traditional, due to it from, the picture that captures video cameras, and HDTV, or blueray movies, are a traditional arrangement of pixels.

Anyway, this is a conversion, not a display of 1:1 pixels. I have movies in 720p PA70G theory is able to display the video in a 1:1 aspect ratio, but the 45-degree rotation of the pixels are not the same.

Look at the square of 2x2 pixels in the traditional system is square, and diamond the same square, 2x2 pixels is no longer square.
So? diamond arrangement of pixel antialiasing large elements in the image, but the resolution deteriorates very small details.
Therefore, the image of PA70G looks worse than the projectors, the normal Laying pixels.
post #1562 of 2305
My settings ( in Spanish,sorry wink.gif )

Formato:Sólo Escaneo

Modo de imagen:Para expertos1

When I say 95/100 means that you can choose between these parameters according to the lighting conditions

·Contraste........95/100
·Luminosidad....50/55
·Nitidez H.........70/75
·Nitidez V.........80/85
·Color..............55
·Matiz..............G7

·Contraste Dinámico.....Medio
·Reducción de Ruido.....Descon
·Red.Dig.Ruido............Descon
·Nivel de oscuridad.......Bajo
·Cine Real....................Conex
·Rango de color ...........Ancho
·Mejora de bordes.........Alto
·Filtro de color .............Descon
·Temp color..................Medio
·Gamma.......................2.2
·Método........................2 puntos
·Patrón.........................Exterior
·Contraste de Rojo..........5
·Contraste de Verde........-5
·Contraste de Azul...........5
·Brillo de Rojo.................10
·Brillo de Verde...............5
·Brillo de Azul ................3

Sistema de Administración de color

·Color Rojo........-15
·Matiz Rojo..........5
·Color Verde........2
·Matiz Verde.......-5
·Color Azul.........10
·Matiz Azul.........-3
·Color Amarillo.....2
·Matiz Amarillo....-4
·Color Cyan.........12
·Matiz Cyan.........-7
·Color Magenta....20
·Matiz Magenta...-20

Diamond shaped pixels in PB60G.More images with these settings

Apocalypto





Tron Legacy



Samsara





Madagascar 3

post #1563 of 2305
Decisions, so is both could be had at FRYS on sale for $ 399 which one ? PA60 or the PA70 ?

The PA70 gives out better light output.

Then on another note later this summer a batch of 1080 P projectors could out on market but at what price range and what problems will they have to offer.

The $ 399 for either LGPA60G or LGPA70G is what would hook me in on buying one of them and settle for 720P.

The only deal breaker now on the LGPA70G is the focus issue and what Pawel said about the image look softer on the PA70G than the PA60G.

I have the LG HX300 but never was happy with the light output.

Some scenes mostly with games looks dull.

Sometimes the focus looks soft even after adjusting it trying to get it just right.

Maybe it's my eyes ? eek.gif

Dream projector Panasonic's PT RZ470 LED Laser with Direct Link biggrin.gif
post #1564 of 2305
Definitely PA70G instead PB60G, shines brighter, today in the morning improved long, and the lens: D Now it is much better, but you can not set so that each pixel was perfect. Prisms deformed little beam of light, but even so the image is much better now, I decided to concentrate on the central focus area of ​​the screen rather than suggest the edges with.

Videos and so rarely are in 16:10, so the image corners are not so important.

Paramtry display set by the colleague, espetodesardina are good smile.gif although I modified it a bit to be more sharpen the image.

Espetodesardina, you can insert your paramtry, camera, how many megapixels, ISO, aperture and shutter speed you have set some topic? increased contrast? sharpness? saturation? the default settings.

I have a camera 14Mpix. I have made the ISO200 image, manually set the shutter speed, I did not use a tripod, so the picture may also be less severe than yours. Can I get a picture of the picture as yours but I have by raising the contrast, saturation and sharpness.

I've noticed that you have the correct edge, I enabled the high I was completely disabled.

I calibrated the help of pictures, something that I see, then I can compare these images to the display actually seen my eye. I think that is the easiest way in home conditions to calibrate the image.

See live, what is in the picture and try to set it



I have a wide-angle lens, so the image is a barrel, but the image sharpness is OK now smile.gif


Edited by Pawel Dubiel - 2/2/13 at 5:31am
post #1565 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by espetodesardina View Post

My settings ( in Spanish,sorry wink.gif )

Diamond shaped pixels in PB60G.More images with these settings

Madagascar 3


Bottom display is a Sharp 60LE632 and top is the PA70G

As you can see your colors are too vibrant and gamma looks to be too low (unless your camera has done that). Your calibration looks like it was done to maximize lumen's (vibrancy)?

Both of the displays in my image are properly calibrated to D65/6500k (other than LG's uncorrectable green) and the tiger should look more like a real tiger during that scene regarding his coloring. My gamma is at 2.4 on both displays since it is a light controlled room with no ambient, it is not as dark in person and has excellent shadow detail, the camera was simply in auto mode with no flash and no tripod.

* Oh and obviously I should point out that the variance you see will be based upon the display you are using to view the images, if it is not accurate to begin with then you are not seeing what it should look like. wink.gif

Jason
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Edited by DaGamePimp - 2/2/13 at 2:52am
post #1566 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by DLPProjectorfan View Post

Decisions, so is both could be had at FRYS on sale for $ 399 which one ? PA60 or the PA70 ?

The PA70 gives out better light output.

Then on another note later this summer a batch of 1080 P projectors could out on market but at what price range and what problems will they have to offer.

The $ 399 for either LGPA60G or LGPA70G is what would hook me in on buying one of them and settle for 720P.

The only deal breaker now on the LGPA70G is the focus issue and what Pawel said about the image look softer on the PA70G than the PA60G.

I have the LG HX300 but never was happy with the light output.

Some scenes mostly with games looks dull.

Sometimes the focus looks soft even after adjusting it trying to get it just right.

Maybe it's my eyes ? eek.gif

Dream projector Panasonic's PT RZ470 LED Laser with Direct Link biggrin.gif


PA70G is good too but i prefer PB60G....size and portability it´s a great advantage for me.Only 450g in weight and smaller in size than a DVD case.Besides being super portable you can mount on ceiling...with a part of a minitripod for example



























Pawel I'm glad you like my settings smile.gif I try later and I mention the camera parameters


My camera is a Sony DSC-T70 8.1 Megapixel (2007).The pics are made in manual mode and I can handle ISO.Select a shutter speed and lens opening I can not control,this is a compact camera with limited functions.
For testing I've done the photos at ISO 400, with a distance of 2.8 m tripod/screen and automatic shutter (to prevent movement when pressed)

PHOTO 1:
Camera to screen distance 2.8 m
Projector to screen distance 3.5 m
Resulting Screen 106 "16:9 whose visible area is 132cm high X 2.34 cm with 2.69 cm base and diagonal





Image values

1920x1080px
Point F---f/3.5
Shutter Speed---1/8s
ISO-400
Exposure compensation --- 0 step
Focal Length--- 6mm
Open High --- 3625
Metering Mode--- Design
Object distance --- 2, 8 meters
Flash Mode --- No Flash


PHOTO # 2:
Camera to screen distance 2.8 m
Projector to screen distance 2.8 m
Resulting screen 84 "16:9 which is viewable 104cm high x 1.85 cm with 2.13 cm base and diagonal






Image values

1920x1080px
Point F---f/3.5
Shutter Speed---1/10s
​​ISO-400
Exposure compensation --- 0 step
Focal Length--- 6mm
Open High --- 3625
Metering Mode--- Design
Object distance --- 2, 8 meters
Flash Mode --- No Flash



PHOTO # 3:
Camera to screen distance 2.8 m
Projector to screen distance 2.2 m
Resulting screen 65 "16:9 whose visible area is 81cm high X 1.43 cm with 1.64 cm base and diagonal







Image values

1920x1080px
Point F---f/3.5
Shutter Speed---1/13s
ISO-400
Exposure compensation --- 0 step
Focal Length--- 6mm
Open High --- 3625
Metering Mode--- Design
Object distance --- 2, 8 meters
Flash Mode --- No Flash


A final contribution in screen 65 " with Batman The Dark Knight Rises IMAX version. The image is crisp and clear














Edited by espetodesardina - 2/2/13 at 7:08am
post #1567 of 2305


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post #1568 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Pawel Dubiel View Post



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How I look after losing a battlefield 3 match. mad.gif
post #1569 of 2305
I have found lot of interesting tips and information on this thread.

Here is my experience with Lg PB60G. Mine was made November 2012.

I have had unbearable focus uniformity problem as many people stated before me. I could only focus one side of the projection left or right both no way.

Also in consideration of RBA effect. I am sensitive to this phenomenon but i have to say that on Lg Pb 60g i have noticed rba very often especially on black white combinations.

I returned mine couldn't live with focus problems. Now i will try luck with Benq gp 10, o well.

Regards to all.
post #1570 of 2305
These LED units must be far more popular in other countries than they are here.

Best of luck guys, my time is likely done in this thread since the crummy translation software just drives me bonkers. wink.gif

Jason
post #1571 of 2305
These LED units are popular everywhere... and yes the google translator sucks biggrin.gif Sorry tongue.gif
post #1572 of 2305
A final contribution in screen 65 " with Batman The Dark Knight Rises IMAX version. The image is crisp and clear . yes espetodesardina that's what I want to hear biggrin.gif image is crisp and clear.

But that's on the LGPA60G ? right ?

Anyway, Abe Lincoln, George Washington , Alex, and Andrew is telling me to settle with 720P with a LGPA70G and be happy, have not heard much from Benjamin Franklin lately.

For some people it's all about the economic reasons.

Get the most valve with your dollar.

Actually ? Got a old Zenith CRT HDTV with 720P and the picture looks great.

My mom's Samsung Plasma 720P look great too when the content is good and some screens look out of this world.

I told my brother the other day that sometimes when playing games or watching a movie your not sitting there comparing resolution from 720P to 1080P.

As long as the picture looks good and you can afford it.

That is ? if someone wants to give or donate a free 1080P LED projector biggrin.gif
post #1573 of 2305
One thing that needs no translation.

Cool electronics are COOL biggrin.gif

Does not matter which country we are from, either Spain, Japan, China, Chile, England, USA..... we love our projectors and big screens. cool.gif
post #1574 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by DLPProjectorfan View Post

One thing that needs no translation.

Cool electronics are COOL biggrin.gif

Does not matter which country we are from, either Spain, Japan, China, Chile, England, USA..... we love our projectors and big screens. cool.gif

Amen smile.gif
post #1575 of 2305
Nice biggrin.gif

I saw one of those ceiling mounts on Amazon for around $ 5 or $ 6.

Someone sent me a link before with another ceiling mount that cost a little more for around $ 12.

Yes Espetodesardina I don't know how I would have managed without a Tripod mount the last 3 years since I got the LG-HX300.

If I do get the LGPA70G and hopefully I get a production model without the focus problems I know I can set mine on the book self behind the couch this time because of the throw is a little more than the LG HX-300.

Can't pull back the LG HX-300 any farther because the screen is not big enough and I have a 100 " screen eek.gif
Also the light output fades after you go back farther.

The problem I have is the ceilings are to low in this house in the basement.
post #1576 of 2305
Goggle translator is really for a ... but I'm trying to understand what he writes in English, and if, something is not understood, at my level of English, it sometimes says the same thing several times, changing the words in the sentence.
Very important is to put a comma, in my language, and more often than it should be used, otherwise the google translator, composed their own sentences.
I hope more and better writes my googleanglish, and it is understood that what he writes.

biggrin.gif By the way, I am learning English, writing in my own, and in reading in English, I can say that, understand more than I can say in English.


Parlo italiano molto bene e so scrivere in italiano smile.gif


At work I needed the screen, 3 meters wide, I was available, the material from which the neck, travel bags, backpacks or covered with rubber on the bottom side.
Roll material is 1.5 m wide, so using cyanoacrylate glue, glued two strips 3x1, 5 m in one 3x3m.
Material was black, but after painting lines on the basketball court, I had some white paint color, paint is reflective properties, because it was paint for use on the outside, on the asphalt surfaces.
I dilute, nitro solvent, and charted the screen, spray gun.
Thinned paint penetrates the fibers fabrics, and not peeling. Idel screen is not too little because I had three times the ink painting.
Due to the size painted on the outside and trche interfere wind.
But the picture I gave to HX300G (270ANSI lumens), he surprised me. I've never seen an image of HX300G, with a width of 3 meters so bright.

So I'll just cover my screen so the paint is matt, not on the reflections and increases image brightness reflective.



As the substrate are suitable window blind, made ​​to measure for an aluminum pipe.
I bought a 100 "screen with a chain mechanism, for only 40 euros. Additional screen mounted in the window, obscuring room during the day.

I'm looking for photos 3x3m screen, which I've done, as I find paste.

A little wrinkled, but I've done on the knee in 3 hours, 2 hours before the event.

Screen've done with everything I found in the garage at work





And my EXPERYMENT with HX300G, in the projection room, the screen is 5x5 meters.
And that's only 270 ANSI lumens.





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I wonder what the result will PA70G on this screen 5x5m eek.gif

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Edited by Pawel Dubiel - 2/3/13 at 6:00am
post #1577 of 2305
Any news of that firmware upgrade for the PA70G mentioned earlier in the thread that was suppose to come out in Jan? Would love to get 3D from my PS3 going as well or native sbs to sequential convertor
post #1578 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penquin View Post

Any news of that firmware upgrade for the PA70G mentioned earlier in the thread that was suppose to come out in Jan? Would love to get 3D from my PS3 going as well or native sbs to sequential convertor
You have to write to the LG, and ask me a write-down of, do not know anything, smile.gif best to have in a ... buyers own equipment smile.gif, forget that, it's not equipment that can be connected to the internet and download updates itself se, it's not the fat model TV, so people need to give the file, and if the TV versions are, 3.41 ..... and our projector is 3.00 ..... still, it's a little annoying that there is no update, if only for the reason of Changing codecs.

Ez Samsung is Korean, and somehow, it does not have problems smile.gif even in the camera already updated the software 2 times. The smartphone, I have already 8 updates in a row.


If someone has a bearing on the TV tuner heads, TDSS-H151F (EBL60160102), then most likely, the tuner which is mounted in PA75K, you write, I'm looking for something such as, for me there I found and will be hard because it's a new tuner.
This version has a connector F parallel to the motherboard so Idel PA70G fit, that's what I mounted the TDSS-G101D (EBL60160001) expect that modification of antenna connectors, it's possible to head wlutowalem what works in mpeg2, and therefore does not work with digital TV.

I asked one of the forum users, who deals with servicing the projector, he called this the friends, but unfortunately no one in Poland is not.

still wait, and appears somewhere as spare part, or look for a damaged TV LG, for parts smile.gif

Tuner system based on
Si2176
Worldwide hybrid TV tuner with analog demodulator IC for NTSC, PAL / SECAM, ATSC / QAM,
DVB-T/T2/C, ISDB-T / C, DTMB

So in theory it should work.

I also found another one in the same housing TDSH-T151F. But there is nothing about it on the internet.
Edited by Pawel Dubiel - 2/3/13 at 2:13pm
post #1579 of 2305
This is my second post in this awesome thread,
I'm currently very happy with my Lg Pa70G I got during FRY's Christmas sale for $400 smile.gif

the issue is 120Hz at 1280x800, below is an image of Nvida custom resolution window
Setting those values work in windows(I'm using windows 8 and Nvidia 310.90 drivers ).

I can set 120Hz from the desktop and it works on the desktop.
But only some Games pick it up, I suspect not all games/applications take resolution information from the video driver
(if I remember correctly there are multiple ways to get this in DirectX.)


My question is there anyone who can create a monitor INF file with these setting so I override the EDID information with this so we can all have 120Hz at 1280x800.

I used a couple of INF files from this forum and they go up to 1280x768(Thanks Guys). But 120Hz at the native resolution would be That much better, If anyone can help plz do.

here is "tataniko" inf file as a base. LgPa70gVga120.zip 1k .zip file


My setup is
  • computer with Nvidia 260GTX in SLI (thank you console ports every thing runs 60+)
  • Using a DVI to HDMI converter connected to an HDMI cable which is connected to the PA70G HDMI connector.



pressing OK whe nnot in menus show the resolution and refresh rate.


Devil May Cry (the in game setting say 60Hz but fraps says 120 vsync is ON in the Nvidia game panel)

Edited by pyrocro - 2/3/13 at 3:40pm
post #1580 of 2305
Since the projector uses a DMD 0.45 diamond pixel chipset, you'll get way better images using downsampling when gaming, in games that support it.

It also works for video playback, when compatible.

The performance hit is minimal.
post #1581 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by pyrocro View Post

My question is there anyone who can create a monitor INF file with these setting so I override the EDID information with this so we can all have 120Hz at 1280x800.

I used a couple of INF files from this forum and they go up to 1280x768(Thanks Guys).

Since you have an Nvidia GPU and can create custom resolutions, there is no need for you to use an EDID override unless you want it detected as 3D Vision supported.

An EDID override can not accomplish the same things an Nvidias custom resolution profiles, such as changing total pixel input.
post #1582 of 2305
Pawel ? my team won the Superbowl the Ravens biggrin.gif Joe Flacco the MVP of the 47th SuperBowl.

Pawel ? I see the LG HX300 on the chair there , I never had my HX300 that bright in all the years I owned it.
post #1583 of 2305
Do you use passive or active glasses ?

How much lower is the light output when you put your projector in 3D mode ?

Is the light output with 3D acceptable ?

I remember a few months ago I put on some active glasses at Best Buy and got dizzy and headaches.
post #1584 of 2305
Pawel ? now that's a Theatre Room biggrin.gif wow biggrin.gif
post #1585 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugrash View Post

Since you have an Nvidia GPU and can create custom resolutions, there is no need for you to use an EDID override unless you want it detected as 3D Vision supported.

An EDID override can not accomplish the same things an Nvidias custom resolution profiles, such as changing total pixel input.

I not too concerned about 3d at the moment, But more concerned with getting 120Hz output, and like I said the problem is a few games well don't pick up Nvidia Custom resolution
(grid, crysis2, DMC only get it right if I set the desktop to 120hz in which case it probably skips refresh rate detection and just uses the desktop refresh rate as the desktop is set to the same resolution.

Overriding of the EDID should fix the detection issues?
post #1586 of 2305
smile.gif I forgot to take a picture, PA70G motherboard from the bottom, while ehhhh disassemble it, which is to find, tables MODEL OPTION, in which his resistors, states of high and low, this table allows for e disablet enabled, the function of the projector. I wonder what it hides. Maybe gave to be activated, DLNA and WiFi, the problem would be the lack of maintenance on the menu, and no where is this update!!

Super Bowl is a great feast in the U.S. smile.gif, as in Europe UEFA Championships in football.

It seems to me that the 3D mode activation fails x800, 120Hz refresh rate applies horizontally and PA70G, x768 works with 120Hz. So it should be done sooner 1280x768. I forced a 120Hz mode to 1280x768 via HDMI. Unfortunately, the projector display 3D images were inactive.

And have you tried to use VGA?
post #1587 of 2305
Hi Guys,

I am in the market for either the PB60g or the PA70g.

Can anyone tell me what the lumens are at medium and eco mode for both or even just the LG PA70g?

I'm trying to work out if both models drop down to say 300 lumens on medium brightness or does the PA70G have more lumens than the PB60g on medium and low setting.

The problem I have is that I have a large light in my living room that will be in between the beam and my wall so I will have to mount it close to where my head will be, I understand these things are noisy on high settings but not on medium to low.

Thanks in advance
post #1588 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coops025 View Post

Hi Guys,

I am in the market for either the PB60g or the PA70g.

Can anyone tell me what the lumens are at medium and eco mode for both or even just the LG PA70g?

I'm trying to work out if both models drop down to say 300 lumens on medium brightness or does the PA70G have more lumens than the PB60g on medium and low setting.

The problem I have is that I have a large light in my living room that will be in between the beam and my wall so I will have to mount it close to where my head will be, I understand these things are noisy on high settings but not on medium to low.

Thanks in advance


If you can afford PA70G, the brighter is better, in this case, the rule will be this:
-PA70G LOW eco mode, it will give as much light as PB60G to the fullest.
-PA70G LOW eco mode, will be worked tolerably quiet and PB60G will be off as a locomotive.
-PA70G LOW eco mode, power LEDs at less electrical current which prolongs their lives. PB60G will be worked at maximum current, and heater LEDs, which shortens their lives.

If you plan to use the projector in a darkened room is not, better will PA70G. J I PA70G and I use the energy saving mode, maximum, so it is quiet and does not heat the stove, and sometimes include it in energy saving mode, middle, I do not use it with minimal savings on energy, because it is too loud.

If you have the opportunity, both projectors look closely, and to compare their work in the shop, I suggest to do this, and you'll find out who you think better displays.

I, however, it is suggested, a few things not only what is now but what will be in the future. That's why I chose PA70G to use it in economy mode, without fear, with LEDs overheat, and because of, the volume of work.
post #1589 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pawel Dubiel View Post

If you can afford PA70G, the brighter is better, in this case, the rule will be this:
-PA70G LOW eco mode, it will give as much light as PB60G to the fullest.
-PA70G LOW eco mode, will be worked tolerably quiet and PB60G will be off as a locomotive.
-PA70G LOW eco mode, power LEDs at less electrical current which prolongs their lives. PB60G will be worked at maximum current, and heater LEDs, which shortens their lives.

If you plan to use the projector in a darkened room is not, better will PA70G. J I PA70G and I use the energy saving mode, maximum, so it is quiet and does not heat the stove, and sometimes include it in energy saving mode, middle, I do not use it with minimal savings on energy, because it is too loud.

If you have the opportunity, both projectors look closely, and to compare their work in the shop, I suggest to do this, and you'll find out who you think better displays.

I, however, it is suggested, a few things not only what is now but what will be in the future. That's why I chose PA70G to use it in economy mode, without fear, with LEDs overheat, and because of, the volume of work.


Many thanks for your reply on this.

So I can assume the LG PA70G can output around 500 lumen as per the maximum of the PB60G, this sounds promising.

I intend to use it in my bedroom to throw around 60" onto a wall at 4:3 in complete darkness as I do not have a TV, then a few times a week I will take it into my living room and place it at around 12ft from the wall to watch movies with my wife. Main use will be in the bedroom and the reason why I will use it 4:3 is because the wall is square and my current projector (Philips PicoPix 2480) fills it quite nice but is a little dim at only 80 lumen. Also with Picopix the text is unreadable or at least very close too.

As it will be moved around often it needs to be fairly small and light enough to sit on a Gorillapod tripod which I have mounted on a chair.
post #1590 of 2305
Yeah, pretty much a no-brainer, if both are about the same price, which on sale goes around 399 at fry's, the pa70g is the model to get. The pa70g (799 list price)is 50 percent off list when on sale, and the 61 (549)/60 (599) is only about 30 percent off list when on sale at fry's.
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