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post #481 of 2305
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Originally Posted by pdo2006 View Post

I just got $499 + Tax at a local Fry for LGPA70g but the online price still shows $799

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Originally Posted by pdo2006 View Post

Hello to users who have owned the lg pa70g,
Does this unit has an audio output ? Thank a lot


Are you a spam? Look at his post count, doesn't change.
post #482 of 2305
Sure looks like it he owns the projector and ask if it has audio out lol shame on us for
wanting info on the new leds. I am just going to buy a Q5 and call it a day.
Unless some real info pops up in the next week. Only looking to supplement my G70
crt:rolleyes: projector
post #483 of 2305
There is no 3.5 mm audio out jack.

What real info is missing?


The Q5 doesn't look very impressive for the first few reviews. Looks like they were targeting the 500 lumen clones as their competition.
post #484 of 2305
Maybe spec wise is don't but I have seen the Q5 on a DA-lite HP screen 120" consider myself sold. No one seems to know the
calibrated lumens of the PA70 and the battery pack is a plus for me watching a movie in the middle of the lake on a 24ft
pontoon drinking beer:)
post #485 of 2305
Do you know the calibrated lumens of the Q5?


I know that a PA70G on its maximum energy saving mode (dimmest) is brighter than an HW300T in its brightness mode by quite a bit (which is just a hair below 300 lumens in torch mode). PA70G is roughly similar to a JVC RS-1/HD-1 in controlled viewing- which puts out 700 calibrated lumens. In fact, I'd almost say the PA70G appears brighter to my eye by a decent bit (there's a name for the effect which causes LED projectors to appear brighter than their measured lumen rating).
post #486 of 2305
ello folks,

Would you help me how to calibrate the right color for the vivid mode. Would you post the proper setting and how to calibrate it.
Since I am a novice user, I don't know what I am looking for.

I found the out of the box Vivid mode to be way oversaturated.

Folks, please share your settings with the right color in the LGPA70G. Please post in either the LGPA70G thread or here.

I really appreciate a lot.
post #487 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RPS13 View Post

Do you know the calibrated lumens of the Q5?
I know that a PA70G on its maximum energy saving mode (dimmest) is brighter than an HW300T in its brightness mode by quite a bit (which is just a hair below 300 lumens in torch mode). PA70G is roughly similar to a JVC RS-1/HD-1 in controlled viewing- which puts out 700 calibrated lumens. In fact, I'd almost say the PA70G appears brighter to my eye by a decent bit (there's a name for the effect which causes LED projectors to appear brighter than their measured lumen rating).[/quote
Having owned the RS-1 and RS-2 that is great to hear.
post #488 of 2305
Yea, I was honestly surprised by this, so I went back and forth a few times with the same content and the PA70G seemed to win out on brightness on a 1.3 gain Screen Innovations screen.


The HD-1 blew it away in black levels and resolution of course.... actually I don't think blew it away properly encompasses it, it's light years ahead in that respect... hah But the PA70G holds its own with sub $800 projectors on black levels IMO.
post #489 of 2305
RPS13 now this is info I can use and goes to show the led has it's place in the theater.
The main reason for me to get one is to let the kids enjoy the theater without worrying
about killing a bulb and to save my now minty tubed G70 for me.
post #490 of 2305
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Originally Posted by pdo2006 View Post

ello folks,
Would you help me how to calibrate the right color for the vivid mode. Would you post the proper setting and how to calibrate it.
Since I am a novice user, I don't know what I am looking for.
I found the out of the box Vivid mode to be way oversaturated.
Folks, please share your settings with the right color in the LGPA70G. Please post in either the LGPA70G thread or here.
I really appreciate a lot.

There are some built-in calibration tools on the PA70G for setting brightness and contrast. Basically just a quick check to make sure you aren't clipping any of the greyscale. (can see all the white/grey/black bars/boxes etc.)

As for color calibration, I didn't really mess with the default settings much. I think I ended up with a contrast somewhere around 80-82. I haven't done a full calibration yet, but honestly I'm not a huge stickler once things get reasonably close.
post #491 of 2305
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Originally Posted by greg1292 View Post

RPS13 now this is info I can use and goes to show the led has it's place in the theater.
The main reason for me to get one is to let the kids enjoy the theater without worrying
about killing a bulb and to save my now minty tubed G70 for me.

Yea, I think it's a great buy for a cheap projector that should last "quite a while" with minimal running costs. The PQ is perfectly acceptable to someone that's not sitting there comparing closeups of this projector to one that costs 3x+ its cost.


That said, you do lose some niceties like better optics(plastic lens) and zoom, but the image on mine isn't that off. I do notice a slight bit softer focus with a little more CA in the lower right hand corner, but it's not enough for me to notice once I'm watching something at a normal seating distance. I think it's really easy to nitpick on things and expect absolute perfection for a bargain basement price, but IMO, with realistic expectations I think this projector will surely please.


I do wish it was native 16:9, and that the black levels and focus uniformity was a bit better, but I fully feel this PJ offers a picture that rivals or bests what we were all paying $2k for back 4-5 years ago. For $450 with no bulb that's pretty good progress I'd say!


It makes me excited for what will be coming out once the big players really start putting out LED projectors that are a little more home theater driven in 1-3 years.
post #492 of 2305
I agree with you it is an amazing value and sometimes we over analyse everthing to the nth degree.
For me led gives me a good picture for not alot of money and enables me to save my crt projector for movies only!
I will be buying an anamorphic lens for the led projector once I find one and then pixels will be a non issue!
post #493 of 2305
picture quality is one thing. i personally can live with mediocre picture. but it has to be free of failure. like uneven focus, bad chromatic abberation or even dust blobs after time because of missing sealing of the optical path. in that terms all led pjs failed so far.
post #494 of 2305
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Originally Posted by travis_bickle View Post

picture quality is one thing. i personally can live with mediocre picture. but it has to be free of failure. like uneven focus, bad chromatic abberation or even dust blobs after time because of missing sealing of the optical path. in that terms all led pjs failed so far.

Is it a failure if you can't see any of the things you mentioned at normal viewing distance?

I understand if you're looking at just text on the PJ the focus being a slight issue, but even then it's not very noticeable (on my unit it's just a little blurriness in the pixel structure).

I think this goes back to that "nitpicking" thing I was talking about.
post #495 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RPS13 View Post

Is it a failure if you can't see any of the things you mentioned at normal viewing distance?
I understand if you're looking at just text on the PJ the focus being a slight issue, but even then it's not very noticeable (on my unit it's just a little blurriness in the pixel structure).
I think this goes back to that "nitpicking" thing I was talking about.

you will definitely see white clouds from dust blobs in the optical path from any viewing distance wink.gif
in my case i prefer projectors because i want the real big picture. so usually i want a ratio of 1:1 between viewing distance and screen size. i dont have to buy a projector to have a ratio of 3:1. i would go with a flat then. maybe we will see a new line of 1080p led pjs at ces.
post #496 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RPS13 View Post

Is it a failure if you can't see any of the things you mentioned at normal viewing distance?
I understand if you're looking at just text on the PJ the focus being a slight issue, but even then it's not very noticeable (on my unit it's just a little blurriness in the pixel structure).
I think this goes back to that "nitpicking" thing I was talking about.


You are making a mockery of intelligent discussion.

It is not nitpicking. It is a design flaw! If you pay to have 1280 x 800 dots displayed then it is reasonable to expect that 1280 x 800 dots will be displayed. Blurry focus means that you can NOT view that resolution. Viewing distance has nothing to do with it!

I watched movies with subtitles and the PA70G I bought did not allow me to enjoy watching movies without being constantly aware of the focusing defect.

Other than doing its primary function well, it was a great projector (well, if you ignore the tendency to induce headaches and I own and watch one of its predecessors daily).
post #497 of 2305
I have a CRE X205 led projector, still i'm enjoying it. Only that it has only an 800x600 native resolution, that's why I'm going to upgrade into LG PA70G, but the reviews on this thread make me skeptical to buy.
post #498 of 2305
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Originally Posted by obscuro View Post

You are making a mockery of intelligent discussion.
It is not nitpicking. It is a design flaw! If you pay to have 1280 x 800 dots displayed then it is reasonable to expect that 1280 x 800 dots will be displayed. Blurry focus means that you can NOT view that resolution. Viewing distance has nothing to do with it!
I watched movies with subtitles and the PA70G I bought did not allow me to enjoy watching movies without being constantly aware of the focusing defect.
Other than doing its primary function well, it was a great projector (well, if you ignore the tendency to induce headaches and I own and watch one of its predecessors daily).

Leave it up to AVS Forum guys to smother on the drama. tongue.gif

A very slightly out of focus portion of the screen is not viewing from normal viewing distances. At least on my projector. Watched a few movies with subtitles with no issues. Mine is only a bit out of focus on the very lower right edge, which even with text down there (like the Windows clock/date) is not very noticeable until you get within a few feet. It's still perfectly viewable at normal distances. Then again, not all units are made the same even at triple or quadruple the price of the PA70G.

Never had a headache from watching it. Maybe all that drama is going to your brain? wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #499 of 2305
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Originally Posted by travis_bickle View Post

you will definitely see white clouds from dust blobs in the optical path from any viewing distance wink.gif
in my case i prefer projectors because i want the real big picture. so usually i want a ratio of 1:1 between viewing distance and screen size. i dont have to buy a projector to have a ratio of 3:1. i would go with a flat then. maybe we will see a new line of 1080p led pjs at ces.

Since when has a PA70G user reported a dust blob on their unit? I know mine has no such problems.
post #500 of 2305
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Originally Posted by displaylou View Post

I have a CRE X205 led projector, still i'm enjoying it. Only that it has only an 800x600 native resolution, that's why I'm going to upgrade into LG PA70G, but the reviews on this thread make me skeptical to buy.

The PA70G is a great projector FOR THE MONEY. Some people seem to want a $1000+ projector for less than half that price. Sorry, it doesn't punch that far above its weight. It does offer performance that bests those in the ~$2-3k range from 4+ years ago while not using traditional bulbs (IMO on the performance, but I think most will agree).



I have been thoroughly enjoying mine when I can find the time to watch it.
post #501 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RPS13 View Post

Leave it up to AVS Forum guys to smother on the drama. tongue.gif
A very slightly out of focus portion of the screen is not viewing from normal viewing distances. At least on my projector. Watched a few movies with subtitles with no issues. Mine is only a bit out of focus on the very lower right edge, which even with text down there (like the Windows clock/date) is not very noticeable until you get within a few feet. It's still perfectly viewable at normal distances. Then again, not all units are made the same even at triple or quadruple the price of the PA70G.
Never had a headache from watching it. Maybe all that drama is going to your brain? wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Not only are you making a mockery of discussion but you are dishonest.

It should not be a hit or miss game to get a projector "like yours". You were fortunate. I was not. Other forum members have had similar experiences to mine. And a few have had a projector with good focus like you.

That is the problem: a lack of quality control and a design that permits such focus problems in the first place.

I am glad you never had a headache. But grow up. There are others who are not as fortunate as you so there is no need to mock them.
post #502 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RPS13 View Post

Since when has a PA70G user reported a dust blob on their unit? I know mine has no such problems.

its a failure which comes with time. theres confirmation that the viewsonic pled w500 and the vivitek qumi has this problem. my statement was not specifically related to the pa70g. despite the fact that i think the tone of you're posts is a little bit of the mark, i hope you will not have this problem with your unit.
it gets visible on dark images after a couple of month with focused picture. but if you can already see tiny white spots with complete unfocused picture, theres a good chance that at some time it becomes visible when focused as white clouds.
post #503 of 2305
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Originally Posted by obscuro View Post

Not only are you making a mockery of discussion but you are dishonest.
It should not be a hit or miss game to get a projector "like yours". You were fortunate. I was not. Other forum members have had similar experiences to mine. And a few have had a projector with good focus like you.
That is the problem: a lack of quality control and a design that permits such focus problems in the first place.
I am glad you never had a headache. But grow up. There are others who are not as fortunate as you so there is no need to mock them.

Oh, so because I talked about MY projector I'm being dishonest? Man, you cranking the drama up to 11 here... hah!

Since when do projectors, or consumer electronics in general, have perfect quality out of the box on EVERY unit. Have you ever seen a RP DLP set? I'd say the edge to edge focus on the 3 PA70G's I've seen is better than the average RP DLP by quite a margin. Like I said, on MY projector just part of the screen is slightly out of focus. It's largely not noticeable from a normal viewing distance, or even slightly closer, FOR ME. That's as honest as I can get.

You're just acting like this PJ is a total POS just because you feel you got a dud. So why don't YOU grow up and just take it for what it is. You got a very low cost projector that was maybe lacking in quality slightly and it ticked you off. That doesn't mean every one is a piece, and anybody who has an experience different from yours is "making a mockery of intelligent discussion" or is "being dishonest."


I'm waiting for another colorful description of my "beyond the pale" behavior though. wink.gif
post #504 of 2305
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Originally Posted by travis_bickle View Post

its a failure which comes with time. theres confirmation that the viewsonic pled w500 and the vivitek qumi has this problem. my statement was not specifically related to the pa70g. despite the fact that i think the tone of you're posts is a little bit of the mark, i hope you will not have this problem with your unit.
it gets visible on dark images after a couple of month with focused picture. but if you can already see tiny white spots with complete unfocused picture, theres a good chance that at some time it becomes visible when focused as white clouds.

I know what dust blobs in the light path look like. What makes you think that because two other units that are a completely different internal design suffer from this, the PA70G will? Just because they both use LEDs as their light source?
post #505 of 2305
anyone here thinks that the next generation (next year) quimi, LG, etc LED projectors in this class will be 1080P? or maybe 2014 at the earliest? considering LG has released 2 generations of 1280x800 chips in the 2011 and 2012 models already, any thoughts.....btw, Im not talking about full sized $10,000 units, I mean 500-700 lumen LED portable/pocket projectors, thanks for any comments:D
post #506 of 2305
Back in July Pixelworks Announces Production Shipments of Topaz SoC Family.
Now if there is going to be a line of affordable 1080P we don't know yet.
However, this new chip is suppose to help integrate 2D to 3D seamlessly.
At least it won't be the diamond shaped mirrors.
post #507 of 2305
I honestly think the next step is better optics rather than throwing more pixels at the screen. While MY projector doesn't have very bad focus uniformity, I think there's going to be a natural price increase for better optics when 1080P stuff comes around.

I think it's going to be until the "big players" in the HT projector space start coming out with LED models. Maybe they're just waiting until they can get reasonable brightness and good optics at a sub $1k pricepoint.

I would have doubled my purchase price for those two things.


But honestly, during video I don't really notice the diamond pixels at all. In fact, I'd say with video you have more angled lines than straight, and the diamond pixels do a good job of handling curved lines. It's not as good for text where most things are vertical and horizontal, but I feel you give up that and get better aliasing for most video scenes.
post #508 of 2305
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Originally Posted by RPS13 View Post

Oh, so because I talked about MY projector I'm being dishonest? Man, you cranking the drama up to 11 here... hah!
Since when do projectors, or consumer electronics in general, have perfect quality out of the box on EVERY unit. Have you ever seen a RP DLP set? I'd say the edge to edge focus on the 3 PA70G's I've seen is better than the average RP DLP by quite a margin. Like I said, on MY projector just part of the screen is slightly out of focus. It's largely not noticeable from a normal viewing distance, or even slightly closer, FOR ME. That's as honest as I can get.
You're just acting like this PJ is a total POS just because you feel you got a dud. So why don't YOU grow up and just take it for what it is. You got a very low cost projector that was maybe lacking in quality slightly and it ticked you off. That doesn't mean every one is a piece, and anybody who has an experience different from yours is "making a mockery of intelligent discussion" or is "being dishonest."
I'm waiting for another colorful description of my "beyond the pale" behavior though. wink.gif


You cannot honestly use the word “drama” to describe someone else’s experiences and then backtrack to say that you are only talking about your experiences.

Furthermore, you change the conditions to talk about perfection-a goal heretofore not sought. That is another characteristic of dishonesty-changing the subject.

I had four projectors collocated and projecting on the same screen: two LG HW300Ts, one LG PA70G and an Epson HC 720. I owned two GE CRT projectors before that.

I have no idea under what circumstances you viewed your projector(s). But I stand by my rational and accurate description of the PA70G: it is fundamentally flawed. The picture was not as evenly focused as the HW300Ts that I had sitting beside it and on of it. That lack of even focus was distracting. That observation is shared by others who owned/own the projector.

Please realize that the world does not revolve around your projector(s). I did not. It is not drama. It is simply a fact.
post #509 of 2305
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I know what dust blobs in the light path look like. What makes you think that because two other units that are a completely different internal design suffer from this, the PA70G will? Just because they both use LEDs as their light source?

i dont say it will be. in fact i said i hope it will not on yours. but because the pa70g shares some of the same flaws as the other models, it wouldnt surprise me.
post #510 of 2305
The nice thing about the LG models is that they don't have the overheating, the focus change when heating up, and the hdmi dropout issues. These things are made in Korea and the electronics inside seem to be a lot more reliable than the other models. What it means in terms of dust blobs is hard to tell, but it seems like no manufacturer is immune at the moment. It seems like something inherent with the DLP technology.
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