LG PA70G LED 1280x800 700 Lumens. - Page 22

Originally Posted by RPS13 

Your eyes perceive brightness in a logarithmic manner. Plus they compensate very well for lower light output. So twice the lumens doesn't look significantly dimmer if you don't have an immediate reference.
Like power up the PA70G in maximum energy saving mode. It's probably ~40% less lumens than minimum energy saving mode, and it looks super dim if you switch immediately between them. But remove that reference of the brighter image, and your mind and eyes compensate to a great extent for the lower lumen output of maximum energy saving mode.
So it's hard to not do a back to back comparison unless you really know what to look for on brightness.

Originally Posted by rangaswamy 

I owned the Ht350T and now own the 70G. I cant see day and night difference between the two- with double the lumens i am supposed to I guess? The contrast and colors are more lively. I can see the 70g is brighter. For $50-100 difference I would pick the 70G but anything more, I would just stay with the 350T.
I opened mine on Saturday and Im thinking of taking it back. The wife doesnt like it- she says she prefers the clarity on a 1080p television. I dont think the RBE or out of focus are deal killers for me.

Originally Posted by virsat 

Hi there! Do you have experience with the hw350t and pa70g to where you would recommend returning the 350t for a pa70g? This was the first time I bought anything from Fry's and I'm not even sure how they will handle a refund/return on an unopened item or how long it may take if I go that route. I've read every post in this thread multiple times but things have changed since the first post. A lot more people have them and opinions have shifted around. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Sisyphus 

Depends. If you see rainbows easily then the Acer K330 will be better. Also if you need 720p 120hz 3D only the Acer will generate a dlp-link signal for dlp-link glasses. The LG PA70 disables dlp-link if it detects 720p 120hz. Dlp-link glasses still work on the LG but only at 1024x768 120hz.
Other wise the LG seems to offer a sharper lens and more accurate colors compared to the Acer.

Originally Posted by RPS13 

Your eyes perceive brightness in a logarithmic manner. Plus they compensate very well for lower light output. So twice the lumens doesn't look significantly dimmer if you don't have an immediate reference.
Like power up the PA70G in maximum energy saving mode. It's probably ~40% less lumens than minimum energy saving mode, and it looks super dim if you switch immediately between them. But remove that reference of the brighter image, and your mind and eyes compensate to a great extent for the lower lumen output of maximum energy saving mode.
So it's hard to not do a back to back comparison unless you really know what to look for on brightness.

Originally Posted by garibay_2004 

I think you can just refuse delivery, just tell the ups person that you won't accept delivery and they will return to sender, don't know where you bought it but amazon or any other reputable vendor will accept a return without a RMA if refused delivery. I had the 350T and I was happy with it, the only thing that I felt could be improved was the contrast ratio, blacks are just not black enough, I hear the PA70 has better blacks but not day and night difference. I'd choose the PA70 over the 350T if you can get it on sale for 499.00 with projectors brighter is always better. hope that helps:D

Originally Posted by tataniko 

There are lot of misunderstanding and legend about 3D 720p.
All Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projectors designed to work
- via HDMI 1024x768@120hz resolution.
There are no Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projector on the market which is working EDID
- via HDMI 1280x720@120hz resolution.
These are facts.

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However, if you use Powerstrip on windows, you can switch 720p@120hz with custom timing, but it will be blurry. Also, users reported, if you use third party 3D controllers such Viewsonic or Optoma, it is possible to reach 720p@120hz, but it is probably fake or a trick, because limitation of HDMI and chipset there are not enough bandwidth, real and good timing for this resolution.
And it is true, EDID of Qumi can accept
- via VGA 720p@120hz resolution, but it is blurry and a joke from Delta Electronics.
So, everybody calm down, all Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projectors work great
- via HDMI 1024x768@120hz resolution, but not 720p@120hz.

Originally Posted by tataniko 

From the beginning, I have lot of experiences and articles about Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projectors, like
- Vivitek Qumi Q2 (Wikipedia)
- Acer K330 (disassemble pictures)
but now, I just received the newest projector with same chipset:
- LG PA70G
Last year I compared the Vivitek and the Acer clone here, and the Acer K330 was much better than Qumi Q2, but now, LG PA70G is fairly the best projector at the moment in this price range on the market.
Here are the Advantages of LG PA70G compared to Acer K330:
- more brightness (700 lumens)
- much better media player with subtitle (forward, backward, resume, font size, position, sync time)
- much better HD/SD media playback capability (mkv, avi, mp4)
- folders/files browsing (USB)
- 2x3 watts stereo speakers (virtual sound capable)
- less fan noise
- much better contrast ratio
- usable lens cap (cap is not defocusing anymore)
- sound patterns (movie, sport, cinema, game)
- crystal voice
- more less rainbow effect (built in media player in USB mode)
- more options in menu
- no warm up focus issue
- no HDMI issue
- better remote
Disadvantages:
- focus issue (corners are defocused, but user repairable)
- factory menu not discovered yet
- no built in memory
- no built in power supply
- no wireless connection
Conclusion:
At the moment, the LG PA70G is the most brightest, best multimedia capable Texas DLP Pico HD chipset projector on the market, it gives a real and cheap entry level home cinema experience. Good job Lucky Goldstar (LG)!

Originally Posted by virsat 

My HW350T arrived today, finally. Rather than open the box I called Fry's and they made the return process very easy. I'm on the road tomorrow and I will have the opportunity to visit and actual Fry's store a few hours away, so I am definitely doing that and hopefully they will still have some PA70G units in stock when I get there. UPS says about $16 to ship the HW350T back to Fry's (and Fry's will take half a month to return my money) but the PA70G still seems like a fantastic deal.
Hope I'm not sensitive to RBE, I've never seen it before. Also, have my little screwdriver set ready in case I need to fix the focus.
I think I will be a lot happier with the versatility of over twice the lumens and quieter fan. Even if running the PA70G at maximum economy and it only puts out 380~ lumens it's still brighter than the HW350T and is a lot quieter, since full 300 lumen output on the HW350T would require the "hair dryer" level fan activity as reported.
I'll report back on my experience with the PA70G when I get it set up.

Originally Posted by tataniko 

There are lot of misunderstanding and legend about 3D 720p.
All Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projectors designed to work
- via HDMI 1024x768@120hz resolution.
There are no Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projector on the market which is working EDID
- via HDMI 1280x720@120hz resolution.
These are facts.

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However, if you use Powerstrip on windows, you can switch 720p@120hz with custom timing, but it will be blurry. Also, users reported, if you use third party 3D controllers such Viewsonic or Optoma, it is possible to reach 720p@120hz, but it is probably fake or a trick, because limitation of HDMI and chipset there are not enough bandwidth, real and good timing for this resolution.
And it is true, EDID of Qumi can accept
- via VGA 720p@120hz resolution, but it is blurry and a joke from Delta Electronics.
So, everybody calm down, all Texas DLP Pico HD chipset based projectors work great
- via HDMI 1024x768@120hz resolution, but not 720p@120hz.

Originally Posted by tataniko 

update: I don't understand why could not switch 3D.
I switched my Qumi and Acer K330 to 720p@120hz, and I can activated the 3D easily from Menu.

... including sophisticated color correction tools, period level adjustments over screen geometry, and driver independent clock controls.

Originally Posted by tataniko 

I am using Radeon, but it is independent from the problem.
I trust you, but I am not trusting 3dr party solutions, because any 120hz capable graphics card is good for 3D films such Ati, NVidia, S3, Matrox, Intel, etc. with Stereoscopic player in frame sequence mode.
The fact, when the projector receive a real and not a fake 120hz signal in any resolution, than you can activated the 3D in the projector menu. That's the point.
If you can not activated the 3D in the projector menu in one resolution this doesn't means you are restricted by manufacturer, because the 3D is independent from resolutions, it is depending only a real 120hz source only.
A real 120hz source is not equal 60hz-60hz source. When the projector receive a real 120hz from any source from any resolution, then we can activated the 3D in the projector menu, and then the projector is starting to split and arrange 120hz source into 60hz-60hz, but it's itself and not 3rd party solution.
So, please send a real 120hz non interlaced, not splited, not arranged signal to the projector at 1280x720. I should have to revert my PC to Windows 7, so at the moment, I have to pass this test to others, I am waiting a good ati driver for Windows 8, which is good with Powerstrip.
We have to use Powerstrip, because it is a manufacturer independent low level monitor and EDID utility, and we can create an independent windows monitor driver to our projectors, and it is not depending from projector, GPU manufacturers or 3dr party solutions, also we can override the factory timings, and we can switch to any resolutions with any megahertz.

Originally Posted by virsat 

My HW350T arrived today, finally. Rather than open the box I called Fry's and they made the return process very easy. I'm on the road tomorrow and I will have the opportunity to visit and actual Fry's store a few hours away, so I am definitely doing that and hopefully they will still have some PA70G units in stock when I get there. UPS says about $16 to ship the HW350T back to Fry's (and Fry's will take half a month to return my money) but the PA70G still seems like a fantastic deal.
Hope I'm not sensitive to RBE, I've never seen it before. Also, have my little screwdriver set ready in case I need to fix the focus.
I think I will be a lot happier with the versatility of over twice the lumens and quieter fan. Even if running the PA70G at maximum economy and it only puts out 380~ lumens it's still brighter than the HW350T and is a lot quieter, since full 300 lumen output on the HW350T would require the "hair dryer" level fan activity as reported.
I'll report back on my experience with the PA70G when I get it set up.[/quo

It is the great projector for that price! I dont know why people complain about small details. There is NO better led projector for this price on the market! I have the smaller PB60g and it is doing well. Dont worry about RBE. Actually i dont know why people complain about RBE. I cant see any RBE ( my advise dont get too high before watching a movie so there will be no RBE) and Pb60g should be the same like pa70g just it is 500 lumens. If you get one, which has good focus, you will be happy im for sure!

Originally Posted by tataniko 

This is how it works, I tested with Powerstrip on Qumi and Acer clone. This is fact.

Originally Posted by tataniko 

Your option is about LG restriction it's a simple speculation without any fact.

Originally Posted by tataniko 

if there is no 3D menu there is no real 120hz signal.