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post #661 of 2305
Is fake 120hz just a basic 60hz being manipulated to appear smoother. Such as on the lcd tv 60hz they call it soapyopera effects ?

Also why would you send this projector a 1080p signal if its max output is only 720p?

Does 1080p output 720p look better than 720p output at 720p?
post #662 of 2305
I just got back from Fry's where I managed to get one for $449. It's so quiet and the picture is so amazing. I'm blown away!

I have a question though, is the inner lens part supposed to be totally lined up with the outside ring? because on this one it doesn't appear to be lined up . I don't know how to describe so I might have to post a pic. It looks wrong to me, but the projected image looks good.

It looks off center to me. Is this normal? Are everyone's PA70G's like this?


Edited by virsat - 10/25/12 at 7:47pm
post #663 of 2305
Have you experienced any headache, nausea, vomiting or eye strain?
post #664 of 2305
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Originally Posted by tataniko View Post

...because in the reality, if there is no 3D menu there is no real 120hz signal.

You keep assuming that the Qumi, Acer, and LG projectors all have the same hardware AND the same firmware. These chips are programmable; they are customized by each manufacturer. Color balance, LED pulse rate (rainbows), EDID information, and what resolution/timings will activate the DLP-LINK signal can all be chosen by LG, Acer, etc.

Also, 120hz and 3d are two different things. 120hz is just a timing/resolution. 3D is the signalling and frame format being sent @ 120hz. When a DLP projector is configured to recognize 720p 120hz or whatever resolution as a potential 3D format, it interpolates (mixes) DLP-LINK timing frames into your 3D movies or games, and the DLP-LINK glasses you're wearing use this frame to synchronize which left or right eye piece is opaque or transparent.

So YES, the LG is getting a REAL 720p 120hz. However, it appears LG chose not to activate the DLP-LINK signal option at this resolution. If you have Nvidia 3D-vision you might be able to use the infrared shutter glasses for 3D even though DLP-LINK doesn't work.
post #665 of 2305
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Originally Posted by virsat View Post

I just got back from Fry's where I managed to get one for $449. It's so quiet and the picture is so amazing. I'm blown away!
I have a question though, is the inner lens part supposed to be totally lined up with the outside ring? because on this one it doesn't appear to be lined up . I don't know how to describe so I might have to post a pic. It looks wrong to me, but the projected image looks good.
It looks off center to me. Is this normal? Are everyone's PA70G's like this?

hey Im glad you like your projector, I knew you'd be blown away and the lens on my 350T looked like that, I wouldn't worry if the picture projected is not distorted, cheers:D
post #666 of 2305
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Originally Posted by uuddlrlrbass View Post

Have you experienced any headache, nausea, vomiting or eye strain?

Are you asking me? So far I see no RBE or blurriness and if I feel queasy it's from how excited I am to own this thing! I've never really had any time with a DLP projector though so it's possible my eyes will start seeing the RBE eventually. It's probably something you have to "learn" to see and then wish you could unlearn it.

There is some light leak or maybe reflections from the housing, very minor but I assume not present in high end equipment. I suppose that could be annoying to some, maybe even me in the long run. Still, I can hardly believe my eyes. In a way to me it looks better than the local theaters, because all the theaters I have been in around here have of course moved to digital projectors and and I can always see the pixels. I can't see any pixels with this thing. It seems more vivid and colorful to me than any of my computer LCD displays here, and one of them is a pretty nice 3D IPS display.

However I've only had it a few hours and surely my critical faculties will start picking out issues after the initial dazzling wears off. I can say it's more than I had hoped for in a projector, especially for $449. When I first started shopping for a $500 or less projector six years ago or so, I almost as a total n00b bought one of those Favi-Rio type projectors that was 800x600 LCD with a $50 replacement bulb. Without going to used/refurbs that was about as much as you could hope for back then for $500. That this PA70G can be had for $449 and is of the kind of picture quality that it is blows my mind. Clearly the future is bright! It's only going to keep getting more amazing at this rate.

I threw a 120" image on a white wall and it looked great even with the ambient light of 12 strings of c7 type lights lining the ceiling as well as a 40 watt floor lamp. I went in the bedroom and aimed it at the ceiling and watched part of a movie with a 50" or so image and it was just phenomenal.

The on-screen menu system and video player are also really sleek looking and impressive, clear. I was holding it on my stomach pointed at the ceiling in bedroom and the sound came on and I thought my large stereo was on for a second until I computed that I had no stereo in that room. It sounded very spacious and full, but I was right close to it in the sweet spot. I stuck it on my tripod using it's metal tripod mount, worked great.

Lens cap clips in nice and tight, fully covers the lens. Doesn't fall out. The remote control is awesome. Very intuitive, great layout, with a mechanical click to the buttons that has a superior tactile feel compared to most remotes. It has a foam case with velcro enclosure for transport, and a nylon bag with draw strings I assume for the big external power supply and accessory cables. I wouldn't trust the case it comes with for much of any kind of protection for bumps or drops but it's better than throwing it in a bag or backpack completely naked.

It is a very pretty device, opening it and seeing it's sleekness for the first time reminded me of opening some Apple gear years ago. It has that special feel to it.

It turns on and off almost as fast as a TV. Faster in fact than a lot of modern TV's with their long boot-up sequences. There is no more worry about a bulb than there is a with a TV though so it is a wonderfully free and easy feeling operating it.

Still not sure about the inner lens position as I posted up there but I did find some unboxing pictures on another forum and it looked like the inner lens housing had the same offset as the one I have on that person's. This one has a July 2012 manufacture date on the bottom if that's any concern.

Now I need to learn about how DLP-Link works. I guess I don't need to buy a transmitter or anything like with nVidia 3D Vision, I guess I just need the brain-frying flashing glasses and they automatically see a code in the video. Looks like they can be had on Amazon for around $30.
post #667 of 2305
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Originally Posted by garibay_2004 View Post

hey Im glad you like your projector, I knew you'd be blown away and the lens on my 350T looked like that, I wouldn't worry if the picture projected is not distorted, cheers:D

Thank you! smile.gif And does that mean the lens on your PA70G does NOT look like my picture?
post #668 of 2305
So graafish, can I assume you are using the 3D-XL with some Bit Cauldron/Monstervision Glasses? Also, are you using a HDMI to VGA converter?

I would think the only reason to disable the DLP Link signal in the firmware at 720P would be because they purposely want to hamstring it and keep it from preventing a sale of a more expensive model.

I would provide the timings if I still could, but I recently switched to the red camp with a 7970 and can't say I'm very pleased. With Nvidia I was able to make custom resolution profiles, that you can see in the screenshot posted by graafish. The only thing I found to work with my Radeon card is "Custom Resolution Utility (CRU) " http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

I'm using it to get a 1920x1200 input to my PLED-W500 for a lil more real estate when gaming.

The bad thing with CRU is that it can mess up Media Center and YouTube playback, I think it makes it non-HDCP compliant. (this may have been fixed? I haven't seen if it's been updated)
post #669 of 2305
Regarding the inner lens position, don' t forget that these projectors project the picture upwards slightly, i.e. there is an offset. If the inner and outer lens housings were in line then the outer housing may intrude into the top of the projected image.
post #670 of 2305
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Originally Posted by andysm View Post

Regarding the inner lens position, don' t forget that these projectors project the picture upwards slightly, i.e. there is an offset. If the inner and outer lens housings were in line then the outer housing may intrude into the top of the projected image.

Ah, okay, well as long as that's how it's supposed to be it's fine with me. I will be staring at what comes out of it a lot more than I plan to be staring into the lens smile.gif.
post #671 of 2305
Seems like many people are just projecting onto walls. Would using a screen make much of a difference in image quality?

Anyone A B with wall vs screen?
post #672 of 2305
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Originally Posted by uuddlrlrbass View Post

Seems like many people are just projecting onto walls. Would using a screen make much of a difference in image quality?
Anyone A B with wall vs screen?

I only shot it at some walls when I just opened it up because it will take some time to mount it perfectly for my screen. I have a small 1:1 screen that I found at a goodwill 20 years ago for $3 but which had a $180 original price tag on it.. It's very sparkly and feels like sand to the touch so I think it's pretty high gain. When I shine the PA70G on it, it looks about twice as bright to my eye compared to the wall next to it. Also, colors come alive exponentially. I also have an 80" Elite Screen with 1.1 gain but that is not mounted yet so I'll have to report back. I expect it will only be better than the old 1:1 50", if for no other reason than that the old one has a lot of warpage.

Once you see a projection on a real screen vs. the wall you won't want to use the wall anymore. You think it looks pretty good on a white wall but at least to my eyes the difference is dramatic.
post #673 of 2305
Finally I tested custom 3D resolutions:

800x480@120hz (3D)
800x600@120hz (3D)
1024x600@120hz (3D)
1024x768@120hz (3D)
1280x720@120hz (3D disabled)
1280x768@120hz (3D disabled)
1280x800@120hz (3D disabled)

Pictures (720p and up) of LG are good and smooth, but built in 3D option is factory disabled. frown.gif
Pictures (720p and up) of Qumi and Acer are blurry, but built in 3D option is enabled.

Just check this post to get proper 720p@3D over VGA.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1405666/lg-pa70g-led-1280x800-700-lumens/690#post_22550050
Edited by tataniko - 11/2/12 at 8:10am
post #674 of 2305
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Originally Posted by uuddlrlrbass View Post

Seems like many people are just projecting onto walls. Would using a screen make much of a difference in image quality?
Anyone A B with wall vs screen?


I used to project on the wall before I've got a 92" 1.0 gain projector screen. It depends on the color of the wall, if it is matte white wall you are good, but using a real projector screen simply enhances the color accuracy of the projector.
post #675 of 2305
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Originally Posted by virsat View Post

Thank you! smile.gif And does that mean the lens on your PA70G does NOT look like my picture?

I don't have the PA70G but I had the 350T and the lens looked the same way, but I was blown away with the picture even with the 300 lumen, I was projecting onto a stewart ultramatte 150 @ 96" diagonal and the image was phenomenal even in user's mode with brightness set at 40 and on economy mode. Im trying to wait to see if the PB61U will come down in price but amazon and adorama won't budge from the original 599.00 release price. I need to have a tuner on mine, I don't use a cable box. again congrats on your new projector biggrin.gif
post #676 of 2305
Are there any standalone hdtv tuners? I never really thought about it, but it would be nice to pick up free over the air hd. When I do a search I mostly get results for pc cards.

is it just easier and cheaper to buy a projector with a built in tuner?
post #677 of 2305
Strange, the focus issue absolutely gone. My LG was suffered unfocused corners from the beginning, but now it's good.
I guess, we are frequently used the lens cap, so there are many mechanical pressure on it, and also extensive usage produced enough heat to fixing, so finally my LG becomes focused.
Life is good. smile.gif
post #678 of 2305
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Originally Posted by uuddlrlrbass View Post

Are there any standalone hdtv tuners? I never really thought about it, but it would be nice to pick up free over the air hd. When I do a search I mostly get results for pc cards.
is it just easier and cheaper to buy a projector with a built in tuner?

This thing looks pretty cool. Tuner with VUDU, DVR, HDMI out and more. I have a Channel Master CM-7000 Digital-to-analog because out of the ones I tried back in 2008 it had bar none the best picture and (most importantly) reception of the others I tried.
Edited by virsat - 10/26/12 at 2:18pm
post #679 of 2305
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Originally Posted by virsat View Post

This thing looks pretty cool. Tuner with VUDU, DVR, HDMI out and more. I have a Channel Master CM-7000 Digital-to-analog because out of the ones I tried back in 2008 it had bar none the best picture and (most importantly) reception of the others I tried.

Check into a PHD-205le It has an HDMI,,a component and a VGA output and works GREAT!! if you don't need the VGA or component port there are other models from the same company that just have HDMI ports but I would stay with the PHD-205le . It gets a great signal and you can hook it to ANY cable system and it scans for the unencrypted HD signals. I used to use an onair GT set up with a laptop but this gives a slighly better picture and you don't need a computer to use it,

Bohanna
post #680 of 2305
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Originally Posted by uuddlrlrbass View Post

Seems like many people are just projecting onto walls. Would using a screen make much of a difference in image quality?
Anyone A B with wall vs screen?

when I had my 350t and 300t I was at first using black out cloth which was an off white, light gray I'd say and felt something was missing, then I found a used stewart ultramatte 150 cheap (50 bucks) so I cut out the fabric and built a custom screen, it was day and night difference, but again it was just a 300 lumen projector. but it was such a difference that I had to use economy mode and brightness @ 40 so yeah a good screen does make a difference, but at 700 lumen, maybe no so much:)
post #681 of 2305
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Originally Posted by uuddlrlrbass View Post

Are there any standalone hdtv tuners? I never really thought about it, but it would be nice to pick up free over the air hd. When I do a search I mostly get results for pc cards.
is it just easier and cheaper to buy a projector with a built in tuner?

that channel master the other member mentioned sounds good but it's 400.00, I would just get the HW350T or the PB61U both have an excellent HDTV tuner built-in, I was kinda hoping the brighter PB61U would go on sale but amazon and adorama won't lower their price, 599.00 ever since it came out and nobody else is selling this model:mad:
post #682 of 2305
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Originally Posted by virsat View Post

I only shot it at some walls when I just opened it up because it will take some time to mount it perfectly for my screen. I have a small 1:1 screen that I found at a goodwill 20 years ago for $3 but which had a $180 original price tag on it.. It's very sparkly and feels like sand to the touch so I think it's pretty high gain. When I shine the PA70G on it, it looks about twice as bright to my eye compared to the wall next to it. Also, colors come alive exponentially. I also have an 80" Elite Screen with 1.1 gain but that is not mounted yet so I'll have to report back. I expect it will only be better than the old 1:1 50", if for no other reason than that the old one has a lot of warpage.
Once you see a projection on a real screen vs. the wall you won't want to use the wall anymore. You think it looks pretty good on a white wall but at least to my eyes the difference is dramatic.
hey that sparkly surface you bought at goodwill is called glass beaded and it's probably 2.5 gain, but you're killing blacks/contrast, I suggest you call da-lite and get a packet of screen material samples (free) for a 700 lumen, I would suggest the high contrast matte white, or even just plain matte white, but judge for yourself...find out what material you prefer and go to "the final click" (cheapest screens I've found online) website and buy a square format screen (cheaper) that gives you the desired width and make your own screen. cheaper than buying the material by the yard. here's what I did....I found that stewart ultramatte 150 in my neighborhood, I cut out the fabric and fired up my projector ( make sure it's leveled and centered where you want the screen) and stapled my screen material to match the projected image. I then painted the black border with flat black paint (with small roller) and built a frame (also flat black) of very thin wooden molding about 1.5" wide, it looks awesome and no waves or warpage...now I need to get me another projector:D
post #683 of 2305
For $400 I could build a htpc with a tuner card, hmm. I remember the ht guys did a review of a powered hdtv antenna that pulled in a ton of channels.

http://www.htguys.com/

can't seem to find it on the site, I know they talked about it in one of the podcasts.

Moving right along is anyone using this projector with the DarbeeVision Darblet and do you notice any real difference in the picture ?

What am I talking about?

A: The DarbeeVision Darblet is an in-line
video processor with one HDMI input
and one HDMI output.

Funny review here http://www.hometheater.com/content/darbee-visual-presence-darblet-video-enhancer
post #684 of 2305
The Darblet to me seems way overpriced for what it is/does. Sub $200 seems more appropriate.

If you're thinking of one be sure to check out all of the you tube videos, you can see the slight/subtle shading it adds in to enhance/adulterize the image.

I had thought about getting one myself. But after reading some of the negative reviews and seeing the you-tube videos, I decided my money was well spent elsewhere.

A great example is at 2:43 into the video by the Darblet rep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwrtdJAb-gA
post #685 of 2305
So I have managed to see the RBE I believe on the PA70G. What I had to do was sort of shake my head and wiggle my eyes back and forth rapidly as if they were having some kind of seizure. At that point it was as if everything in the image had a red, green and blue LED to the right of it, but only during the instant my eyes were twitching just right. If I constantly seizured my eyes out then I could see it from my peripheral vision sort of while I was doing that. It's not really a rainbow but it looks exactly like what you see if you put a magnifying glass up to a TV or an LCD monitor so you can see that each "pixel" is made up of 3 red/green/blue lines. I'm sure most here are nauseatingly familiar with what I'm talking about so I'll leave it at that. This was while watching a non de-interlaced, very poorly ripped video for iPhone 3G resolution from the USB stick and while of course intentionally trying to see this "RBE" effect.

As yet I have never got the faintest glimpse of it normally. That is, without performing these eyeball acrobatics. There is a fair amount of eye movement to look around the screen when it is 120" but no RBE for me.

Still no focus issues either. I am still blown away by the quality of the image. How can there be no pixel visible? It's so smooth and even, like real film projection.

Also, while manipulating the projector while it was turned on and projecting I beamed myself for a split second right into the eyes and for a moment all I could see in my vision was a giant red, blue and green light next to each other.

Last night I looped Thriller in the front window of my house as my Halloween decoration.

The sound is really impressive to me and my expectations. It's way better than my 23" 16:9 computer display at my desk. It has a lot more base and ambience. It doens't sound like the speakers are going to blow when I turn the volume up. I can actually hear bass frequencies. It sounds warm and somehow extremely spacious like some kind of surround sound as long as I'm in between the speakers. I didn't think I'd ever use the projector in a portable setting because I hate tiny speakers but these are really good.

Since I'm so impressed with the on-board speakers I've loaded up a USB stick with Halloween specials and movies and I'm going to take it over to a pumpkin carving party. For added protection it happens to fit perfectly in a heavy-duty CaseLogic case I got for a pull-out car stereo ages ago (back when you pulled the whole thing out not just the faceplate).
post #686 of 2305
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Originally Posted by virsat View Post

Last night I looped Thriller in the front window of my house as my Halloween decoration.

You have to do a YouTube video of that smile.gif

I also had a pull out Kenwood cd deck, the thing was so heavy carrying it around.

I came across a YouTube video, Two LG HX300G with Warpalizer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32PwaZLRXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

it got me thinking, could you do something like this with two pa70g create a larger screen or to make a smaller screen brighter?
post #687 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by virsat View Post

Last night I looped Thriller in the front window of my house as my Halloween decoration.

You have to do a YouTube video of that smile.gif

I also had a pull out Kenwood cd deck, the thing was so heavy carrying it around.

I came across a YouTube video, Two LG HX300G with Warpalizer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32PwaZLRXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

it got me thinking, could you do something like this with two pa70g create a larger screen or to make a smaller screen brighter?
post #688 of 2305
Quote:
Originally Posted by virsat View Post

Last night I looped Thriller in the front window of my house as my Halloween decoration.

You have to do a YouTube video of that smile.gif

I also had a pull out Kenwood cd deck, the thing was so heavy carrying it around.

I came across a YouTube video, Two LG HX300G with Warpalizer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32PwaZLRXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

it got me thinking, could you do something like this with two pa70g create a larger screen or to make a smaller screen brighter?
post #689 of 2305
uuddlrlrbass, are you happy with spamming here?
post #690 of 2305
Compared LG PA70G and Acer K330 hardware design:

Projector............................K330...........................PA70G..........
Built in Speakers:............2watts mono...........2x3watts stereo.......
LED Fans:.......................2 fans.....................3 fans..................
Passive LED cooling:........Blue........................ no.......................
Picture enhancer:............no............................XD engine............
Wrong lens heating:.........yes...........................no.....................
audio out:.......................yes...........................yes......................
built in power supply:........yes...........................no.....................
LED lamp:........................pt54.........................pt54....................
DLP:.................................DPP6401.................DPP6401............
Focus ring:........................Front........................Side.................
USB 2.0:...........................x1..............................x1....................
SD card:............................x1..............................no..................
Built in memory:.................yes............................no.................
VGA,HDMI 1.3, AV in:..........x1...............................x1.................
Throw ratio:.......................1.4.............................1.4.................
Lumens:............................500............................700................

LG is a very good design, there is no passive cooling for LED lamps, the lens has enough room for cool down, and it has very good multimedia ability with XD engine and built in speakers, but there is no built in memory, SD card, and power supply like Acer.
Finally I have to say, LG prepared a good projector, only one question remained: how is covered inside against the dust blobs? The time will tell us...
Edited by tataniko - 10/28/12 at 1:51pm
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