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post #181 of 208
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

It would do Sony well to push the Vita as a PS3 controller and get in on that Smartglass/WiiU action.
This year's E3 was their chance to get in on that. When Vita was unveiled last year, Sony promised many of the features that Smartglass and Wii U now are. Sony really dropped the ball somewhere along the line. The tech guys at Sony must have run smack dab into the hefty walls built by the business guys at Sony. Now it sounds like MS and Nintendo are going to beat Sony to the punch. Missed opportunity. Extensive Vita integration was the one big thing I expected Sony to announce at the conference. But instead we got more ports. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The Vita doesn't need a price drop, the used market already took care of that.
This is really a bad sign, and Sony seems oblivious. Eventually the really cheap used market is going to start seriously cutting into Sony's new unit sales. The Vita market is in freefall. Most folks looking to buy one are looking to the used market first (where prices are about half what they are at retail).
post #182 of 208
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Originally Posted by deathindustrial View Post

The issue with Wonderbook is that the "book" is a silly prop that can't be read and is not actually used like a book anyway which the demo made painfully aware. It's insulting to both childrens' and parents' intelligence to call this thing a "book" as it involves almost zero actual reading. You can see in the demo (though they try to hide it) that the "book" contains black and white squares which can be used by the image processing software to isolate it in the 2D view that the PSEye sees. That will also be why they were sitting on white carpets and why for anything more complex it was necessary to tilt the "book" directly at the camera. It's a lame product being shoehorned into a less than ideal for the application 2D + pointer hardware system (this specific app seems much better suited to the Kinect which is 3D aware).
Instead of the pathetic "book" trappings they should have instead just made this a straight up Move game or worst case, sold it with a "magic slate" or some other prop that can have the squares on it to help with the augmented reality stuff. Bundle the game with a real book sure but don't pretend a page with black squares on it has anything to do with reading which is you know, what books are for. Kids will immediately see it is like a book except lamer.
There is also the fact that you are asking parents to:
1. buy a PS3
2. buy a PSEye + Move
3. buy a game
4. buy a "wonderbook" peripheral
That alone means this will be a niche product. So what is Sony doing spending that much time of there conference on it?
Cheers

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The demo was too long, and the time should have been replaced with clip reels for vita and move products in the pipeline. But you're wrong on this game, kids are going to love it. It's perfect for the 4-8 crowd, and I could totally see my niece and nephew loving it.
post #183 of 208
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Originally Posted by Mikazaru View Post

The RE6 footage shown at the MS conference was very action focused... this demo is more what I was hoping for (starts 3:20).

Yeah, that looks better that was shown.
Move and shoot,..lol bout time! wink.gif
post #184 of 208
PS+ is a pretty beast feature now. I got Little Big Planet 2 and Just Cause 2 for nothing. Really enjoying the latter.
post #185 of 208
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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

I got Little Big Planet 2 and Just Cause 2 for nothing.

It's a paid subscription service so it certainly did not cost you nothing. But I would definitely agree that for the moment they have ramped up the game rentals aspect to give the service better value.
post #186 of 208
It makes PS+ a much more atttractive service. It is almost a must have for Playstation fans.
post #187 of 208
http://m.kotaku.com/5916309/survive-the-last-of-us-by-smashing-peoples-faces-in-with-bricks

Not as scripted as the stage show depicted originally, makes me more excited for the game.
post #188 of 208
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

It makes PS+ a much more atttractive service. It is almost a must have for Playstation fans.
It's an excellent lineup. All depends on what the service looks like a year from now. It's a healthy start, but unfortunately, I own or have played all of those games. Maybe I need to play fewer games. eek.gif
post #189 of 208
One thing I have to give Sony credit for, they are preparing for the potential day when Smart phones take over the portable market with their Playstation Suite (or whatever they renamed it to)
post #190 of 208
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

One thing I have to give Sony credit for, they are preparing for the potential day when Smart phones take over the portable market with their Playstation Suite (or whatever they renamed it to)
IIRC Playstation Suite was originally announced in late 2010 or early 2011. All Sony did at this year's E3 was change the name (Playstation Mobile) and announce it for devices (HTC) other than Xperia Play. It's taken a long time to get this far, and it's very unclear how this will actually play out in the wild. I'm not ready to give them "credit" just yet.
post #191 of 208
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Originally Posted by deathindustrial View Post

It's a paid subscription service so it certainly did not cost you nothing. But I would definitely agree that for the moment they have ramped up the game rentals aspect to give the service better value.

At four dollars a month, I consider it free.
post #192 of 208
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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

At four dollars a month, I consider it free.
Right, and cable is free because it only costs two dollars a day. wink.gif

The cost of entry for PS+ has been enough to keep me away so far. If it really were free, I would have gotten it at launch. I mean, I've even let my XBL subscription lapse because $30-40/yr seems exorbitant to me. eek.gif
post #193 of 208
Most my friends that have paid TV services are paying $100 - $150 per month. That' not anywhere near $2 a day. wink.gif
post #194 of 208
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

Most my friends that have paid TV services are paying $100 - $150 per month. That' not anywhere near $2 a day. wink.gif
Can you tell I haven't had cable for the past 15 years? wink.gif
post #195 of 208
I haven't had paid TV service since 2004. I'm almost with you. smile.gif That's why i could not compare what I pay, because I refuse to.

We've gotten our $50 per year out of PS+. Not everyone will though, I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone. I'd be worth more to me if they'd get that Hungry Giraffe Mini working on our Vita. The lack of compatibility for all those games (especially Minis) that worked on the PSP is very aggrevating.
post #196 of 208
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

We've gotten our $50 per year out of PS+. Not everyone will though, I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone. I'd be worth more to me if they'd get that Hungry Giraffe Mini working on our Vita. The lack of compatibility for all those games (especially Minis) that worked on the PSP is very aggrevating.
Bizarre that it's taking them this long to get Minis and PSOne games working this far past launch.

Regardless, PS+ still hasn't shown itself to be worth it to me. Free games sound nice on paper, but I know I'll never play them if I get them for free (not to mention that I already own most of what they offer). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd much rather that they included features and services into PS+ rather than games. eek.gif
post #197 of 208
Well, they do. Auto updates and cloud saves. Not much, but they're nice conveniences.
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Right, and cable is free because it only costs two dollars a day. wink.gif
The cost of entry for PS+ has been enough to keep me away so far. If it really were free, I would have gotten it at launch. I mean, I've even let my XBL subscription lapse because $30-40/yr seems exorbitant to me. eek.gif

Are you serious? It's 13 cents a day. Just look down when you walk and you're bound to find that in dropped change.
post #198 of 208
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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

Well, they do. Auto updates and cloud saves. Not much, but they're nice conveniences.
Both of those come with too many caveats and exceptions to be worth it to me. MS's cloud save solution isn't any better or more convenient, IMO. It'll take another console gen for this to finally be figured out.
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Are you serious? It's 13 cents a day. Just look down when you walk and you're bound to find that in dropped change.
True enough. But each of these individual subscriptions starts to add up quickly. With enough $10/mo or $50/yr subscriptions (PS+, XBLA, Hulu+, Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc), you're easily looking at hundreds of dollars a year being spent on things that simply aren't worthwhile to me. Remember, I'm a dude who doesn't have cable. wink.gif
post #199 of 208
Video streaming through Amazon Prime is an added benefit to a non-related service. At least that's the way I see it. I've found no need for Hulu+. And, at least for most the features you pay MS for (XBLA) you get free for the PlayStation. Unless you care about the games that are released for free or discounted on PS+, there's no reason to get PS+. That's why I was stating I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone. I have a lot of friends with PS3s that would never play most the games that are released on PS+.
post #200 of 208
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Bizarre that it's taking them this long to get Minis and PSOne games working this far past launch.
Regardless, PS+ still hasn't shown itself to be worth it to me. Free games sound nice on paper, but I know I'll never play them if I get them for free (not to mention that I already own most of what they offer). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd much rather that they included features and services into PS+ rather than games. eek.gif


I consider myself extremely frugal and have been considering the exact opposite. There are tons of stuff on PS+ that I can play. I'm pretty sure I could go all year with just a PS+ subscription and nothing else.
post #201 of 208
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

Video streaming through Amazon Prime is an added benefit to a non-related service.
That's what every new subscription service claims these days. The trick is that you're actually paying for things you didn't really want or need in the first place, and they call it a "bonus" feature. biggrin.gif
post #202 of 208
I was on Amazon Prime before they offered video streaming. If they'd create a queue like I have on Netflix, and add an iPad/iPhone app (not likely), I'd drop Netflix. I like the ease of setting up my shows on the PC, then watching them on my streaming device. Anyway, I buy a ton from Amazon, and more than make up for the $80 a year for Prime in free shipping.
post #203 of 208
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

I was on Amazon Prime before they offered video streaming. If they'd create a queue like I have on Netflix, and add an iPad/iPhone app (not likely), I'd drop Netflix. I like the ease of setting up my shows on the PC, then watching them on my streaming device. Anyway, I buy a ton from Amazon, and more than make up for the $80 a year for Prime in free shipping.

they recently added queues "watch list"
post #204 of 208
Sure enough! I missed that! Tested adding movies with PC and PS3, pulled up the watch list on the PS3. All works great! Now if they release iOS player...
post #205 of 208
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Both of those come with too many caveats and exceptions to be worth it to me. MS's cloud save solution isn't any better or more convenient, IMO. It'll take another console gen for this to finally be figured out.
True enough. But each of these individual subscriptions starts to add up quickly. With enough $10/mo or $50/yr subscriptions (PS+, XBLA, Hulu+, Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc), you're easily looking at hundreds of dollars a year being spent on things that simply aren't worthwhile to me. Remember, I'm a dude who doesn't have cable. wink.gif

I don't have cable either. Biggest ripoff going right now -- 700 channels and never anything to watch. I have Netflix and I'll probably get either basic cable or the Sunday Ticket once football season starts.
post #206 of 208
I use an antenna for sports. smile.gif
post #207 of 208
Considering most cable subscribers have DVRs and On Demand anyway, they aren't even watching "live" TV. At that point, they may as well just watch stuff on the internet or pay a much smaller amount to rent/buy individual shows from any of a dozen other sources online. This is the reason there's so much disruption happening right now with consoles and cable providers.

...and, of course, they'd still watch live sports with trusty old rabbit ears. biggrin.gif
post #208 of 208
Bingo confidenceman. That's what my homemade DVR/HTPC is for. I watch or record live off antenna, everything else is internet based in one way or another. A friend of mine house-sit for me over the week last week.. he said my HTPC is a pain. I have to admit I'm having some weird problems with the one in my living room, but it's going on 5 years old, still running on an old P5200. But still, even if I have to reboot it occasionally, it beats the $150 a month he is paying for DirecTV.
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