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Subwoofer for a 17'x11'x10'(WxLxH) space within a 26.5'x17.5'x10' room ~ $600

post #1 of 11
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Hi guys! So, nothing too much more specific to mention here. Overall, there's a general standard when it comes to low frequency generators which makes it a lot easier to say that one subwoofer is better over another (how well the sound travels in whatever sized room, the frequency response, positioning of the port relative to the sitting position, etc...). What I can provide is a fairly accurate schematic of the room in which the subwoofer would likely be placed in the front left corner. That'll simply depend on where there'd be the most standing waves after I test it from the couch position. Any information and specific details from experience or otherwise would be helpful. Thank you!




PS- I'd like to mention that the $600 limit isn't including any potential deals based on past occurrences or whatever, so if you are aware of there even being the slightest chance of this, feel free to mention currently higher priced units. Thanks

EDIT: I currently have my sights set on the SVS PB12-NSD, the HSU VTF-3 MK4, and the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX. With hopefully a deal, maybe I could get any of these down to $600! I really did push my budget to its maximum here XD
post #2 of 11
A sealed 12" might be a bit taxed in a 4500 cubic ft room, especially seeing how your seated in the middle of the room. I would look at the ported 12"s in your budget, the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus, Epik Legend, Hsu VTF2 mk4, and Rythmik FV12, and also try to place them as close to your listening position as you can.
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

A sealed 12" might be a bit taxed in a 4500 cubic ft room, especially seeing how your seated in the middle of the room. I would look at the ported 12"s in your budget, the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus, Epik Legend, Hsu VTF2 mk4, and Rythmik FV12, and also try to place them as close to your listening position as you can.

Hmm... Yes, I was browsing around in this time and I figured as much. I've come up with some of the same subwoofers as you suggested. Thank you! And also thanks for the suggestion in regards to the placement

EDIT: A few questions I have now that I've looked more closely. Firstly, the Epik Legend grabbed my attention and seems to be more what I'm looking for in terms of sound, but isn't it also a sealed 12"? And also, how would the Rythmik FV12 compare to the newly listed subs in the edit of the original post? Thanks!!
post #4 of 11
The Epik is sealed, but because of the configuration and types of drivers it uses, it ought to have some fairly high mid bass and upper bass output, much more so than a similarly powered single high excursion driver. I don't think it will have a lot of low bass output though, it will have the least of all of them except for maybe the SB12 NSD. The Rythmik has a nice balanced sound through from low 20s hz on up, and it will do deep bass pretty well, but it does not have as much output as the VTF3 or LFM-1 EX though. I have compared some of these subs directly, by the way, in this post. The PB12 has pretty good output at 20 hz, but it does not have the overall output of the VTF3 or LFM-1 EX. In your room, with that seating, I would try to get as much output as you can possibly afford. And even so, subwoofer placement will still be important in getting a nice bass sound, hopefully you have some freedom in that regard. Another thing to remember is the LFM and VTF3 are not small subs, you should do a mockup to get a realistic idea of their size. The others aren't small either, but they aren't quite as large as the VTF3 or LFM-1 EX.
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

The Epik is sealed, but because of the configuration and types of drivers it uses, it ought to have some fairly high mid bass and upper bass output, much more so than a similarly powered single high excursion driver. I don't think it will have a lot of low bass output though, it will have the least of all of them except for maybe the SB12 NSD. The Rythmik has a nice balanced sound through from low 20s hz on up, and it will do deep bass pretty well, but it does not have as much output as the VTF3 or LFM-1 EX though. I have compared some of these subs directly, by the way, in this post. The PB12 has pretty good output at 20 hz, but it does not have the overall output of the VTF3 or LFM-1 EX. In your room, with that seating, I would try to get as much output as you can possibly afford. And even so, subwoofer placement will still be important in getting a nice bass sound, hopefully you have some freedom in that regard. Another thing to remember is the LFM and VTF3 are not small subs, you should do a mockup to get a realistic idea of their size. The others aren't small either, but they aren't quite as large as the VTF3 or LFM-1 EX.

Lol, well, that comparison just made me want to get two Rythmik FV12's even more. Seems like the perfect solution. I think that's what I may do; get one now with plans for another one in the future.

In that case I must ask, would two FV12's be a better solution than a $1000 sub on its own? In the mentioned circumstances, I'm guessing so.

Something still really pulls me towards the Epic Legend. It won't give me the earth-shattering rumble but it'll have a really nice tone for music - especially Rock where there's often times really clear held out bass notes. I feel as though with all those other subwoofers, it would be more the speakers doing the work and overall it would just sound like a random tone in that area instead of a "wooing" pulse. Don't know how else to say that XD. For the size of the room and relative to the kind of speakers I will probably have the budget for getting, I don't feel like they will be good enough for that task. Apart from the technical understanding, from the limited experience I've had, I'd say the difference is like the difference I heard between that Logitech Z-5500 sub and the Onkyo starter HTiB down-firing subwoofer which they package with it. I was really disappointed with it and strongly preferred the Logitech sub. Sure it was boomy, but Santana and The Eagles never sounded better - especially the DTS mixes of the recordings.


Thanks again! Been a great help!
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I feel as though with all those other subwoofers, it would be more the speakers doing the work and overall it would just sound like a random tone in that area instead of a "wooing" pulse.

Nope. I would agree that the Legend would be better for music, but all these subs have much better bass than you are imagining. For example, read this review of the EX: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...view-listening.

And the difference between all of these ID subs and the Logitech and Onkyo HTIB sub you mentioned? It'll be like going from a moped to a Japanese super sport motorcycle
post #7 of 11
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Nope. I would agree that the Legend would be better for music, but all these subs have much better bass than you are imagining. For example, read this review of the EX: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...view-listening.

And the difference between all of these ID subs and the Logitech and Onkyo HTIB sub you mentioned? It'll be like going from a moped to a Japanese super sport motorcycle

Of course. I know what you're saying.

I don't think you quite got what I meant though. I didn't look at all those subs but even in the specs they say that it's only up until 90 Hz. For the upper bass, the speakers would be doing the work and relative to the size of the room and likely speaker candidates, I think I'd probably be setting the crossover at about 120 Hz.

In that sense is why the Epik Legend would be better. My mention of those other subwoofers was just to draw a relation as would be between the Epik and the others.
post #8 of 11
In regards to cost, if you can catch the Outlaw sub sale, you can do really good. I bought my EX for $552 with free shipping. Got mine 8/25/10. The next year the sale started 6/2/11, same prices. So, with any luck, you are just a couple of months from a big sale. The free shipping is a big bonus, because shipping on something this heavy isn't cheap.

I love my EX!

Here's the ad from 6/2/11. I deleted the Compact because they don't sell it anymore.

It's that time of year again at the Hideout, and the Outlaws are pleased to offer "Sub"stantial discounts on all of our ultra-popular Outlaw Subwoofers! Great in home theater and dedicated music systems alike, our subwoofers can be ordered now through Midnight, June 13th with 15% off PLUS free shipping*!

For complete details on any of these amazing subwoofers, click on one of the product specials below:
Buy the LFM-1 Plus now for just $467! Total savings of $153.
Buy the LFM-1 EX now for just $552! Total savings of $187.
post #9 of 11
Regarding that review, maybe the reviewer should not have assumed that the output would have been all that diminished by using it in 1 port mode. Both my ear and REW say 1 port (max extension) is best in my room. If you get one, try it both ways, don't just assume you have to run it with both ports open. Mine will literally rattle the house without running out of breath in max extension mode.
post #10 of 11
I bought a used SS-18.1 and an ep4000 for $500. I can add a second one (300-400 used or 550 new) and run it off the same amp.

That blows away anything in the price range, with the drawback of being used of course. A pair of them new also beats anything in the price range for new prices IMO.
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

In regards to cost, if you can catch the Outlaw sub sale, you can do really good. I bought my EX for $552 with free shipping. Got mine 8/25/10. The next year the sale started 6/2/11, same prices. So, with any luck, you are just a couple of months from a big sale. The free shipping is a big bonus, because shipping on something this heavy isn't cheap.

I love my EX!

Here's the ad from 6/2/11. I deleted the Compact because they don't sell it anymore.

It's that time of year again at the Hideout, and the Outlaws are pleased to offer "Sub"stantial discounts on all of our ultra-popular Outlaw Subwoofers! Great in home theater and dedicated music systems alike, our subwoofers can be ordered now through Midnight, June 13th with 15% off PLUS free shipping*!

For complete details on any of these amazing subwoofers, click on one of the product specials below:
Buy the LFM-1 Plus now for just $467! Total savings of $153.
Buy the LFM-1 EX now for just $552! Total savings of $187.

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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

Regarding that review, maybe the reviewer should not have assumed that the output would have been all that diminished by using it in 1 port mode. Both my ear and REW say 1 port (max extension) is best in my room. If you get one, try it both ways, don't just assume you have to run it with both ports open. Mine will literally rattle the house without running out of breath in max extension mode.

I really appreciate it. But, I decided to go with the Rythmik FV12. The reason is that all around people claim that at the very least, they have a bit more accuracy. In time, I'm planning to get a second one and that will be more than enough power likely in any future room I may place my system. Their only problem relatively is that they don't put out as much power so the combination of two out of any other subwoofer seems like the most logical combination. Others seem to also agree with this as I've gotten more than one suggestion on this accord.

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Originally Posted by beetlesnack View Post

I bought a used SS-18.1 and an ep4000 for $500. I can add a second one (300-400 used or 550 new) and run it off the same amp.

That blows away anything in the price range, with the drawback of being used of course. A pair of them new also beats anything in the price range for new prices IMO.

See the above

Thanks for the suggestion though. It's something I'll keep in mind for any potential future investments. Might get back to you on that if you're still around then
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