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post #241 of 544
My main issue with this new transfer is that all the vibrancy of the colour has been sucked out with this teal/orange tweaking. Other than that, would someone care to explain why the new transfer looks like there isn't a shred of black in the entire picture? Everything dark seems to extend down to charcoal grey and that's as far as it goes. I'm guessing something to do with the film standard of using 16-235 for colour levels but this transfer seems especially grey even compared to other highly-acclaimed transfers.
post #242 of 544
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

Has anyone actually seen the new release yet? I ask because I have an opportunity to check out the new release tomorrow and compare it with the old release.

I will be picking this up at Best Buy for around $5.00 (using the DVD-to-Blu coupon) and will compare it to the original U.S. Release. I will play both versions at the same time (each in a different Oppo player) while flipping back and forth between inputs. Based on the screencaps, the new version looks much better IMO and film-like although curious to see them in motion.
post #243 of 544
Total Recall from its initial photo chemical finished roots has a green cast. Modern teal shouldn't be confused with a revisionist decision. The flat dynamics in the contrast are also inherent in the original photography. People claim they want films to represent what they actually looked like at the time of their release yet complain because the colorist didn't alter it to be pleasing to your HDTV sensibilities.
Edited by homogenic - 7/23/12 at 12:57pm
post #244 of 544
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Originally Posted by homogenic View Post

Total Recall from its initial photo chemical finished roots has a green cast. Modern teal shouldn't be confused with a revisionist decision. The flat dynamics in the contrast are also inherent in the original photography. People claim they want films to represent what they actually looked like at the time of their release yet complain because the colorist didn't alter it to be pleasing to your HGTV sensibilities.
In other words, this has always been an ugly film and it ain't never gettin' prettier. tongue.gif
post #245 of 544
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

In other words, this has always been an ugly film and it ain't never gettin' prettier. tongue.gif

[console video jockeys] "Oh? Would you like us to clean that up? We can apply digital noise reduction to reduce grain and boost the contrast to make it look 'punchy'. Then just add in a bit of artificial sharpening for that extra 'snap'...While we are at it, let's tone down some of the colors...with other colors. It will look BRAND NEW AND MODERN EVEN!" [/console video jockeys]

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post #246 of 544
Laugh it up all ye want, but DJ Mike is correct: there is not so much as "a shred of black" to be found in the new Total Recall transfer. It's like they transferred it from a lowcon element rather than the neg.
post #247 of 544
after seeing the screenshot comparisons, I still prefer the older version; with it's flaws and all.....
post #248 of 544
Well this doesn't sound good. Although for less than ten dollars I might as well keep my pre-order.
post #249 of 544
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Well this doesn't sound good. Although for less than ten dollars I might as well keep my pre-order.

Same here. I've got the original to fall back on if the new one sucks. At the very least, I can do some direct A/B comparisons in my HT.
post #250 of 544
Shhhhh I am the only person who does not like this disc over the old one!
How dare you all!
post #251 of 544
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Originally Posted by homogenic View Post

People claim they want films to represent what they actually looked like at the time of their release yet complain because the colorist didn't alter it to be pleasing to your HDTV sensibilities.

Probably not the same people though.

Art
post #252 of 544
Count me among those who prefer the new master and color timing. Hopefully, Lionsgate doesn't screw up the US release. I think I'll wait to open it until somebody else posts their impressions or screenshots though.
post #253 of 544
I am debating purchasing this. I already have the Dutch steelbook release (which looks excellent) and the original US BD. I am wondering if anyone has been able to compare this new Rekall edition with the dutch/german steelbook transfers. thanks!
post #254 of 544
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post

Count me among those who prefer the new master and color timing. Hopefully, Lionsgate doesn't screw up the US release. I think I'll wait to open it until somebody else posts their impressions or screenshots though.

HDD posted their review and they claim it has English, French, and German DTS-HD MA, which would signal to me that it is identical to the UK disc.
post #255 of 544
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

I am debating purchasing this. I already have the Dutch steelbook release (which looks excellent) and the original US BD. I am wondering if anyone has been able to compare this new Rekall edition with the dutch/german steelbook transfers. thanks!

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?art=part&x=370&y=201&action=1&image=9&hd_multiID=63&cap1=10602&cap2=12473&disc1=1092&disc2=1314&lossless=#vergleich
post #256 of 544
Blu-ray.com just posted a review of the new US Lionsgate disc and it seems to look the same.
post #257 of 544
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Blu-ray.com just posted a review of the new US Lionsgate disc and it seems to look the same.

I haven't checked it yet, but did the US reviewer also give it 5/5 for PQ? Major lolz if not.

Edit: Ah, I see he didn't have the balls to think for himself. 5/5 indeed. Once again, no mention of the milky blacks and inconsistent colour timing.
post #258 of 544
I plan on buying the new release next week. I have an extra copy of the 2008 UK version gathering dust on my shelf. Just saying..
post #259 of 544
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

I haven't checked it yet, but did the US reviewer also give it 5/5 for PQ? Major lolz if not.
Edit: Ah, I see he didn't have the balls to think for himself. 5/5 indeed. Once again, no mention of the milky blacks and inconsistent colour timing.
Common place in the photo chemical era of color timing. Of course the digital intermediate has made such inconsistencies a thing of past (except when filmmakers are attempting to replicate the original character of the source), again Total Recall doesn't give itself over to an easy modern overhaul. The teal is the most modern aspect of the transfer and since the original had a green cast, the spectrum isn't inaccurate. I knew this release would get controversy (its Lions Gate, early 90's Studio Canal, and Paul Verhoeven's never been a post house's best friend with the photographic choices of his films), this release is the opposite of revisionist push for HDTV aesthetics.
post #260 of 544
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I will be picking this up at Best Buy for around $5.00 (using the DVD-to-Blu coupon) and will compare it to the original U.S. Release. I will play both versions at the same time (each in a different Oppo player) while flipping back and forth between inputs. Based on the screencaps, the new version looks much better IMO and film-like although curious to see them in motion.
- Same here. I can't resist it for $5.00.
post #261 of 544


thank you!

looks a little softer overall with less contrast then the dutch steel. also looks warmer with an (overly?) yellowish cast. could be my monitor though. Since it's so cheap I'll probably pick up a copy and test them against each other on my VT50.
post #262 of 544
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

thank you!
looks a little softer overall with less contrast then the dutch steel. also looks warmer with an (overly?) yellowish cast. could be my monitor though. Since it's so cheap I'll probably pick up a copy and test them against each other on my VT50.
Softer according to what? Some shots are better than others with a lot more detail and texture:
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=1092&disc2=1314&cap1=10594&cap2=12465&art=full&image=1&hd_multiID=63&action=1&lossless=1#vergleich
post #263 of 544
Based on what I'm seeing in the Dutch set, is that it's sharpened more than it should be. There's even stairstepping as a result. I'll take the new US release.
post #264 of 544
Yeah, upon further inspection in some shots the Dutch version looks too sharp and perhaps contrast is a little blown out.
post #265 of 544
While all of you are overly hyped about the new tranfer what I'd really like to know is do we get to see some more of those magnificent Sharon Stone flesh tones !! biggrin.giftongue.gif

I'd definitely pay extra for a NC-17 rated version.......... wink.gif
post #266 of 544
The scene wihere Quaid is being chased in the Johnnycab looks too dark in the new transfer, like it's obscuring some detail in the shot (e.g. the trees)

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=1092&disc2=1314&cap1=10596&cap2=12467&art=full&image=3&hd_multiID=63&action=1&lossless=1#vergleich
post #267 of 544
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

The scene wihere Quaid is being chased in the Johnnycab looks too dark in the new transfer, like it's obscuring some detail in the shot (e.g. the trees)
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=1092&disc2=1314&cap1=10596&cap2=12467&art=full&image=3&hd_multiID=63&action=1&lossless=1#vergleich

I still like the DE version better in those screen caps, although I would have to give my final judgment with seeing both in motion together.......
post #268 of 544
I've pre-ordered the new version but at this point it's hard to see it as anything other than the lesser of two evils, with an understanding of why some people prefer the previous releases.
post #269 of 544
The contrast is blown out so badly in this shot the explosion has no detail left:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?art=part&x=685&y=305&action=1&image=4&hd_multiID=63&cap1=10597&cap2=12468&disc1=1092&disc2=1314&lossless=1#vergleich

I'm sticking with my cheap UK original.
post #270 of 544
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Originally Posted by homogenic View Post

Common place in the photo chemical era of color timing. Of course the digital intermediate has made such inconsistencies a thing of past (except when filmmakers are attempting to replicate the original character of the source), again Total Recall doesn't give itself over to an easy modern overhaul. The teal is the most modern aspect of the transfer and since the original had a green cast, the spectrum isn't inaccurate. I knew this release would get controversy (its Lions Gate, early 90's Studio Canal, and Paul Verhoeven's never been a post house's best friend with the photographic choices of his films), this release is the opposite of revisionist push for HDTV aesthetics.

You're right, maybe I have been spoiled in that regard re: the colour, but how come the older, inferior transfer managed to get that aspect right? It's not like the colour encounters a mild shift, it literally changes from pink to orange between cuts in one scene. Did they run out of orange gels on that particular day or something? And given all that they can do in the grading suites these days, SURELY it wouldn't have been a heroic effort to at least try and balance the colour properly?
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