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post #391 of 559
8/2/12 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

dvdmike007, I'm curious to read your review, as are many others around here. Please post your thoughts!

Because you asked nicely, sure

Honestly I just do not like how it looks, it comes across a little too clean and modern and I always thought of TR as grimey, I dislike the colour changes and the digital colour timing, but I dislike it in all movies.
I just think DNR and bad encoding tho it may have, the original UK release looks more natural and more like a film of its age, neither release is perfect not in any way but I just like the look of the old disc.
I do not see why the changes were made, bar trying to make it look more modern for an audience that only knows the new remake.
I can see the reasoning behind restoring films, but since it takes more than one person to make a film look a certain way in camera, just one persons view 20 years after could be cause for concern like French Connection where the director made choices and angered the cinematographer.
I think the extras are great to have and it you do not own any other version, or want the extras jump in 100%, but I already had the old disc and do not like teal make overs personally.
Didn't notice much change in the sound but was mostly looking at the picture.

I do not think anyone should share my view and I do not think anyone should make me share theirs, its just a personal preference.

and after all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVv5sIY57TA&feature=player_detailpage#t=109s

Also after recent events, I will not respond to challenges on my point of view, if you have an issue watch the above link again smile.gif
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post #392 of 559
8/2/12 at 3:36pm
Thanks for sharing. Fair enough, I'm not a fan of teal color grading either.
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post #393 of 559
8/2/12 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I do not think anyone should share my view and I do not think anyone should make me share theirs, its just a personal preference.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I find myself agreeing with your opinion more often than not, and I still respect it when I don't agree. I'd prefer you keep speaking your mind, even when not asked smile.gif
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post #394 of 559
8/2/12 at 6:54pm
Kind of OT... This happened to one of my TVs while watching this new Total Recall Blu-Ray. Maybe someone can help? Please take a look at the last 5-6 posts in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/899605/official-samsung-81-series-lnt-xx81f-owners-thread-part-ii/2250
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post #395 of 559
8/2/12 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

2010 most certainly did not. It wasn't even the same transfer as the version shown on HDNet. It was a new scan. And I don't care if I'm mocked for this but as a huge fan of the film (and 2001) I was *very* happy with the A/V quality of that BD.

Agree 100%.
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post #396 of 559
8/2/12 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

What is the consensus on the stupid trailers at the beginning? [snip] Is this true for other players, or editions (like the UK)?

The Canadian disc doesn't have any trailers before the menu, but does include a warning along with the studio logos.



A meaningless statement that applies to any AV content, ever. The movie encode matches US/UK.
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post #397 of 559
8/3/12 at 2:29am
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I do not think anyone should share my view and I do not think anyone should make me share theirs, its just a personal preference.
I appreciate and often agree with your point of view, for what it's worth.

I think the trouble with Total Recall is that much of the forum is coming at this based on the US release, while some of us have lived with the UK release. Far as I'm aware, the UK release was already better than the US one, so the new transfer had less to improve upon.

Everyone should remember that all of these are opinions, not facts. What should be important to anyone reading this thread is that there isn't an 100% concensus that this new transfer is a good one - in fact it seems to have been quite divisive. So take that as you will when deciding if this new disc is worth your money.
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post #398 of 559
8/3/12 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post


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Don't complain about the audio and/or video quality, we will not reply to your emails...wink.gif
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post #399 of 559
8/3/12 at 5:34am
Oh joy. Another screen one has to wade-thru to get to the entertainment. It is amazing to me that none of the people involved in these decisions (to insert logos/trailers/warnings/B.S. in the playback chain) have Home Theaters thus have no clue how annoying these are. I mean, they can't possibly think that racking-up a disc and suffering through this crap is making consumers happy?

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Just like the disclaimers for Compact Discs of old music albums ("may reveal limitations of the analog tape source") this sorta junk is best left to the packaging!

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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

The Canadian disc doesn't have any trailers before the menu, but does include a warning along with the studio logos.

A meaningless statement that applies to any AV content, ever. The movie encode matches US/UK.
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post #400 of 559
8/3/12 at 12:46pm
like all disney/pixar films, I'm sorta used to the >> button to wade thru all the BS. I will do the same for Total Recall, if I get the disc. This doesn't mean I'm in support of having trailers; hate them unless I'm making popcorn wink.gif
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post #401 of 559
8/3/12 at 1:00pm
So is the Lossless DTS-MA audio better than the Lossy DTS-HD Hi RES audio that was on the other US BD release? I haven't had a chance to watch any of it in my main setup that can decode the HD audio.
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post #402 of 559
8/3/12 at 1:27pm
I watched the new mind-bending version last night. No questions whatsoever, the new release is WELL worth the $7.99 it cost me. It's such a dramatic improvement that I would never feel right about trying to charge someone money for the old Blu-ray release. I'll give it away to a library or something.

BTW, one thing I did think to do was switch the keepcases. The new SE came in one of those swiss-cheese eco cases. I swapped the artwork (and, of course, discs) between the old and new and now I have an SE version in a quality keepcase.

Mark
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post #403 of 559
8/3/12 at 3:28pm
Be careful when you open the product for the first time because the security stickers can destroy the case when you try to remove them as the eco cases are significantly more fragile than the traditional ones. Mine broke and damaged the cover insert so I had to replace it with a regular case.
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post #404 of 559
8/3/12 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So is the Lossless DTS-MA audio better than the Lossy DTS-HD Hi RES audio that was on the other US BD release? I haven't had a chance to watch any of it in my main setup that can decode the HD audio.

I would say yes. Not leaps and bounds better but it's good enough for the price. I'm surprised we didn't get a 7.1 which is Lionsgate's usual routine, but the latest 5.1 is fine and all that is needed for a non-surround friendly mix like Total Recall.
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post #405 of 559
8/3/12 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

You could not possibly be more wrong about this. Have you actually watched either disc? Have you seen the DVD editions of either?
The only DVD edition of 2010 was non-anamorphic letterbox. As Peter already responded, the Blu-ray was a new 2k scan that was different than even the broadcast HD masters. The movie has a very dark and grainy photographic style, and aside from some compression problems, that is accurately reflected on the Blu-ray.
You do not want to challenge me on Dune. I know this movie on a frame-by-frame basis. Except for the recent 3D conversion released in Germany (my copy is ordered and pending arrival), I've seen and own every video transfer of this movie that has ever been struck, anywhere in the world. I watched the American Blu-ray, the UK Blu-ray and another recent German Blu-ray just last week.
Universal's American Blu-ray release is not an "archaic DVD era scan/master." It's a direct port of the HD DVD edition. At the time of the HD DVD's release in 2006, it was a brand new master (quite unusual for Universal) that looks an order of magnitude better than the studio's prior DVD from a few years earlier, which had been DNR'ed to hell and back. The HD DVD and Blu-ray are not DNR'ed or "processed." At all. They are exceptionally film-like. Their only flaw is the aforementioned minor dirt and damage on the film elements.
If you're going to insist that the Dune Blu-ray is an "archaic DVD era scan/master," you quite bluntly do not know what you're talking about.

Which version of Dune are you guys talking about? There is more than one release.
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post #406 of 559
8/3/12 at 8:34pm
Man, it took a while to find these posts. Is there no way to search by User inside a thread anymore?

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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

would someone care to explain why the new transfer looks like there isn't a shred of black in the entire picture? Everything dark seems to extend down to charcoal grey and that's as far as it goes. I'm guessing something to do with the film standard of using 16-235 for colour levels but this transfer seems especially grey even compared to other highly-acclaimed transfers.
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Laugh it up all ye want, but DJ Mike is correct: there is not so much as "a shred of black" to be found in the new Total Recall transfer. It's like they transferred it from a lowcon element rather than the neg.

Black:
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Dark grey shot, cuts to black shot:
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The opening credits are actually blacker-than-black, so it is unusual that the end credits sit atop near-black.

Wanna see something weird though? Pay close attention to the opening logos in a dark room. After the Tristar logo, there's about a second of "black" that hovers in the low 20s (on 16-235), and then over the course of a half-second there's a gradual fade down to true black, followed immediately by the Carolco logo. Feels sort of like the lights going down in a theater. Odd choice, but a choice and not a technical fault of constantly-raised blacks.

A couple comparisons of US 2006 vs UK 2008 vs 2012.
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Fabric and face.
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Detail boost all over.
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post #407 of 559
8/3/12 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

A couple comparisons of US 2006 vs UK 2008 vs 2012.
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You gotta wonder what they did to create such a huge colour shift on the UK 2008 versus the other two.

But which one best represents the actual movie colour as shown in cinemas?

Out of interest, how do the HD-DVD and laserdisc compare?
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post #408 of 559
8/3/12 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by LineWalker View Post

My only real problem was that I noticed dropped frames in over a dozen instances, although this may be due more to my own hardware setup than the product itself. (I use an Onkyo 609 and a Panasonic BDT-210; surely one of these is to blame.) Otherwise it came out great, and I'd recommend it to anyone.

Dropped frames on mine, as well. Turned off 1080p/24 on my Sony BD player, which then displayed 1080p/60 on my Samsung TV, but the frame skips were still there nonetheless.
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post #409 of 559
8/4/12 at 12:47am
Interestingly, the mind blowing Total Recall Blu-ray plays flawlessly (no frame skips/jumps) on my Samsung D8000 plasma, via a Panasonic Blu-ray player.

So, no go on my Sammy 8500 LCD/LED, but good to go on my Sammy plasma.

Mind blowing, indeed. tongue.gif
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post #410 of 559
8/4/12 at 6:12am
I had the dropped frames or frame speed up coming from my Boxee Box at 1080P24 to my DVDO DUO. I didn't try my Popcorn hour C200 to see what that does.

I watched most of the movie last night. Definitely an improvement from the old BD. I'll finish watching the last 30 minutes this afternoon.
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post #411 of 559
8/4/12 at 8:04am
My review has a few comparison screens to the original US release. They show contrast boosting, heightened detail, and different color timing. I didn't find any of the changes all that detrimental when viewing:

http://www.doblu.com/2012/08/04/total-recall-1990-mind-bending-edition-review/
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post #412 of 559
8/4/12 at 11:22am
Has anybody seen Studio Canals version of Total Recall? I ordered it a week ago and are curious about PQ on this. Is it comparable with the US "Mind Bending" edition?
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post #413 of 559
8/4/12 at 12:04pm
Same disc basically
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post #414 of 559
8/4/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

Has anybody seen Studio Canals version of Total Recall? I ordered it a week ago and are curious about PQ on this. Is it comparable with the US "Mind Bending" edition?
Video encode is identical between US/CA/EU editions. The US version drops the German commentary but keeps the 5.1 track... Who knows why they bothered even changing it. This a scan of the US edition.
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BDInfo:         0.5.8

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post #415 of 559
8/5/12 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

Man, it took a while to find these posts. Is there no way to search by User inside a thread anymore?
Black:
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The opening credits are actually blacker-than-black, so it is unusual that the end credits sit atop near-black.
I can't argue with (AV)science, but even in those caps the blacks still don't look, well, black. What's the lowest level you're recording in those shots, msgohan? I'm not sure how to interpret the little graph thingy on the right hand side.

Edit: It's still not "letterbox black", as someone called it earlier in the thread, and it doesn't compare to something with obsidian depths like The Dark Knight Blu-ray (which I watched not long after Total Recall on the same set-up). I totally appreciate that different films should not be subjectively compared in terms of look, but from a purely objective viewpoint I've got to ask: if Total Recall's black measures as black, what on earth does something like TDK measure at?
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Was it really shot as thin as the new transfer suggests? Even the background on the end credits is a dull grey rather than black. Still, I've made my peace with this transfer by taking your advice and treating it as the antithesis of every colour corrected, contrast boosted, DNR'ed crapfest that we've been subjected to over the years. And for that, I salute the eternally barmy Paul Verhoeven.

And hey, at least I was right about the end credits of Total Recall being above black. biggrin.gif
Edited by Geoff D - 8/5/12 at 7:39am
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8/5/12 at 8:26am
Thank you very much for the answers.. smile.gif
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8/5/12 at 9:59pm
Just popped the mind-bending edition in to watch it and am experiencing a problem. Wondering if any one else is having a similar issue with this disc... I watched roughly the first 13 minutes of the movie and couldnt help but notice that it seemed that the audio and video were off. The video seemed to be slightly behind the audio. For comparison, I viewed the same portion of the film via my DE Steelbook edition and the audio and video seems perfectly in sync. Seems unlikely that it's my setup, but I'll list what im using anyway: a Sony BDP-S5000ES connected to a Marantz SR5006 via HDMI, a connected to my Panasonic VT50. The BD player is set to 1080p/24 and the TV is set to 96Hz. Could this have something to do with the 24.00 frame rate on this disc mentioned in earlier posts? Thanks.
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post #418 of 559
8/5/12 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

What's the lowest level you're recording in those shots, msgohan? I'm not sure how to interpret the little graph thingy on the right hand side.

The brownish bars are 0-15 on the left and 236-255 on the right, if that helps.
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Edit: It's still not "letterbox black", as someone called it earlier in the thread, and it doesn't compare to something with obsidian depths like The Dark Knight Blu-ray (which I watched not long after Total Recall on the same set-up). I totally appreciate that different films should not be subjectively compared in terms of look, but from a purely objective viewpoint I've got to ask: if Total Recall's black measures as black, what on earth does something like TDK measure at?
And hey, at least I was right about the end credits of Total Recall being above black. biggrin.gif

Yep, I didn't quote that other post of yours but I was referring to it.

Here are some shots with the letterbox bars cropped out for measurement purposes. The second one is during an optical, by the way. The Y value of the darkest single pixel in the image is shown in the left-hand corner. Most of the movie bottoms out in the low 20s. My point wasn't that blacks aren't raised but that it was deliberate, as opposed to some other transfers that contain a constant shift. This one's all over the place.

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As for TDK, it has below-black values all over the place.

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post #419 of 559
8/6/12 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Just popped the mind-bending edition in to watch it and am experiencing a problem. Wondering if any one else is having a similar issue with this disc... I watched roughly the first 13 minutes of the movie and couldnt help but notice that it seemed that the audio and video were off. The video seemed to be slightly behind the audio. For comparison, I viewed the same portion of the film via my DE Steelbook edition and the audio and video seems perfectly in sync. Seems unlikely that it's my setup, but I'll list what im using anyway: a Sony BDP-S5000ES connected to a Marantz SR5006 via HDMI, a connected to my Panasonic VT50. The BD player is set to 1080p/24 and the TV is set to 96Hz. Could this have something to do with the 24.00 frame rate on this disc mentioned in earlier posts? Thanks.

Some people's setups have issues with 24.000 fps disc which are not very common..(I have 5-6 discs of 800 in my collection with this framerate.) Try shutting off on the BD player and see if the sync is improved. It is in sync on my setup.. though I know that does little for you.
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post #420 of 559
8/6/12 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

The brownish bars are 0-15 on the left and 236-255 on the right, if that helps.
Yep, I didn't quote that other post of yours but I was referring to it.
Here are some shots with the letterbox bars cropped out for measurement purposes. The second one is during an optical, by the way. The Y value of the darkest single pixel in the image is shown in the left-hand corner. Most of the movie bottoms out in the low 20s. My point wasn't that blacks aren't raised but that it was deliberate, as opposed to some other transfers that contain a constant shift. This one's all over the place.
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As for TDK, it has below-black values all over the place.
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I didn't notice just how dark the titles are, but when I watched it again they are indeed uber-black. As you rightly say there are dribs and drabs of black scattered throughout, but it doesn't often get near what I would call a 'good' black level, i.e. sub 20s, and if it does get close it just can't sustain it. The flat, dark grey image that I see on my display bears that out.

I had a feeling that TDK went below black, it's just so ridonkulously gloomy.
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