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post #1201 of 2169
I just replaced this 47" set with a LG 55"....the difference is astronomical. Picture is clear and no motion blur even without the TruMotion going. I know the price ranges are quite varied, but man...Samsung has disappointed me now on the last 3 sets ive owned from them. The A series was great, but its been all downhill from there. The motion blur this series is some of the worst ive ever seen on a Samsung panel, and this counts the B series from 2009/10.
post #1202 of 2169
I have an issue with the 40EH5000 (Samsung Panel):

I just can't get black levels right- most of the time blacks basically take on the appearance of pools of ink and are almost blob-like in motion. This occurs until I get Brightness north of 50 at which point they just become gray.

I had assumed that it was motion artifacts but the problem is only with Black- no other color smears or ghosts.

I'm using the PC settings. In fact that's the only setting that looks remotely acceptable- having the inputs set as anything other than PC results in awful smearing of everything.

The TV is used 99% for gaming- I have Xbox 360, PS3, and PC all connected via HDMI and the black smearing is present regardless of the source.

Has anyone experienced anything like this with this TV or have any ideas on solutions?
post #1203 of 2169
Just bought the 46EH5000 last week. Any suggestion on what the best picture settings are?
post #1204 of 2169
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Originally Posted by kmgrey View Post

I have an issue with the 40EH5000 (Samsung Panel):

I just can't get black levels right- most of the time blacks basically take on the appearance of pools of ink and are almost blob-like in motion. This occurs until I get Brightness north of 50 at which point they just become gray.

Has anyone experienced anything like this with this TV or have any ideas on solutions?


...Have you calibrated it?
...Set the HDMI Black Level correctly to match the source?
...Are you crushing/washing out blacks
post #1205 of 2169
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...Have you calibrated it?

Many times. Using both the settings you provided earlier in the thread as well as discs like HD Video Essentials.
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...Set the HDMI Black Level correctly to match the source?

I believe so. Black level is set to low on the TV and RGB is set to Limited on the PS3. For my PC I believe that the Nvidia driver defaults to Limited.
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...Are you crushing/washing out blacks

It does seem like it's possible black crush however there is never a transition period. It goes from crushed blacks to washed out within one or two clicks of the Brightness control.

Here is an example. Notice how the blacks are so much deeper than the rest of the image and they smear in motion? It's an extreme example because the game has a poor implementation of Ambient Occlusion but I see similar results in other games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9CYuMoZ_U
post #1206 of 2169
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Originally Posted by kmgrey View Post

Many times. Using both the settings you provided earlier in the thread as well as discs like HD Video Essentials.
I believe so. Black level is set to low on the TV and RGB is set to Limited on the PS3. For my PC I believe that the Nvidia driver defaults to Limited.
It does seem like it's possible black crush however there is never a transition period. It goes from crushed blacks to washed out within one or two clicks of the Brightness control.

Here is an example. Notice how the blacks are so much deeper than the rest of the image and they smear in motion? It's an extreme example because the game has a poor implementation of Ambient Occlusion but I see similar results in other games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9CYuMoZ_U

It looks like the gamma curve isn't transitioning smoothly from light to black, and is instead staying too flat then dropping off sharply when it gets to the blacks.

Did you see the same thing with test patterns? I would think that would have screwed up your calibration attempts.

You could try entering the service menu then doing a factory reset to see if it helps, in case some setting is off.
post #1207 of 2169
Im thinking of replacing my 32" EH5000 with a 40" EH 5000 or one of those LG tvs at the same price range.. is there also a panel lottery on the 40" the only real issue I have with LG is the horrible backlight bleeding on ALL of their panels.
post #1208 of 2169
wow samsung seems to be pretty popular... I must have made a good choice smile.gif
post #1209 of 2169
After couple weeks with my new 46" EH5000 here's the update smile.gif TV is fine, the main problem was reddish greys so it took a lot of time for me to tweak white balance (by eye). I know it's not accurate, but now i got it to the point where I don't notice redness anymore. Maybe I just got used to it. So the WB settings now are R24-G25-B25 for offset and R08-G25-B26 for gain. Other thing I've noticed when displaying grey tone calibrating patterns was a very slightly more red tone vertical strip on the left side of panel (10" wide or so) - comparing same level grey it seemed slightly more pink on the left side of the screen than on the right. It's only visible when you look closely when watchin calibration patterns or pure grey screen - on usual content it's not noticeable to be a problem. I'm just concerned if it's gonna become more visible with time...
post #1210 of 2169
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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

Im thinking of replacing my 32" EH5000 with a 40" EH 5000 or one of those LG tvs at the same price range.. is there also a panel lottery on the 40" the only real issue I have with LG is the horrible backlight bleeding on ALL of their panels.

Yes, 40" has a panel lottery.
post #1211 of 2169
Yesterday i bought Samsung 32EH5000, after entering service menu panel type is: 32R6AF0D, so this is AU Optronics panel. Is this good or bad?
Can somebody share picture settings to start with please?
post #1212 of 2169
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Yes, 40" has a panel lottery.

Crap! I guess I'll have to wait until LG decides to use backlit tech, really hate the backlight bleeding on LG panels!
post #1213 of 2169
Ok, i found correct settings for brightness, contrast and sharpness and picture is much better now, but, when i want to calibrate colors, RGB only mode isnt available in media player mode (i copied AVS HD 709 patterns, videos to usb flash). When i switch back to input/source from satellite receiver, RGB only mode is available. Whats the catch? Am i doing something wrong? TV is 32EH5000...
post #1214 of 2169
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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

Crap! I guess I'll have to wait until LG decides to use backlit tech, really hate the backlight bleeding on LG panels!

....On the Samsung you can look at the version on box to see what panel it has...
post #1215 of 2169
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Originally Posted by SimonSimon View Post

After couple weeks with my new 46" EH5000 here's the update smile.gif TV is fine, the main problem was reddish greys so it took a lot of time for me to tweak white balance (by eye). I know it's not accurate, but now i got it to the point where I don't notice redness anymore. Maybe I just got used to it. So the WB settings now are R24-G25-B25 for offset and R08-G25-B26 for gain. Other thing I've noticed when displaying grey tone calibrating patterns was a very slightly more red tone vertical strip on the left side of panel (10" wide or so) - comparing same level grey it seemed slightly more pink on the left side of the screen than on the right. It's only visible when you look closely when watchin calibration patterns or pure grey screen - on usual content it's not noticeable to be a problem. I'm just concerned if it's gonna become more visible with time...

If contrast is high enough greys would become pink (case with my tv).
post #1216 of 2169
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Originally Posted by marko207 View Post

If contrast is high enough greys would become pink (case with my tv).

Yeah that's generally a rule of thumb for all sets.
post #1217 of 2169
On the 32" tv's do you notice issues with the 60hz refresh rate? Is it noticeable?
post #1218 of 2169
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Originally Posted by Ebucel View Post

On the 32" tv's do you notice issues with the 60hz refresh rate? Is it noticeable?

I do notice it if you watch faces of people closely. For example: you can see the the eyes/eyebrows or nose (dark areas on a brighter surface) leaving a slight trail when their head is shaking while walking, especially in dark scenes. Even with all the processing options turned off. I've also noticed it more often on low quality SD channels, I do not know if it is my set.. Can someone here on this forum confirm this is also happening on their sets? (especially in which degree)

Seems to be a problem with every LCD tv. Maybe I am talking about response time now, its something different but also connected to the refresh rate I guess..

But, if you do not pay attention to it and just enjoy the set, I don't think you will notice. The picture quality from HD source is great smile.gif And, on a 32 inch screen you will notice the blurring less often compared to a 40+ inch screen.
post #1219 of 2169
Would just like to thank chicolom for all his input here,...brilliant......Bought the 32EH5000 from John Lewis for £279 and 5yr warranty and thought pic quality wasn't too bad out of box...Follow Mr Chicoloms settings and it is nothing short of outstanding!!!!! Have looked and it is a Samsung panel and both XBOX and PS3 are amazing. Only one thing..the sharpness setting......I have mine on 46 as anything lower looks a bit wishy washy but once you get the sweet spot..wow...... three of my mates have already purchased this set due to its performance and with 5yr warranty!!
post #1220 of 2169
Thanks for that endorsement, you have encouraged me to try it on mine (ditto JL £279) and then I will look at my friend's (JL while it was still £299).

I would like to report what the panel types are, but all I can find on the back is "Version 05". Does that mean anything to anybody?
Edited by crashbot - 4/5/13 at 8:56am
post #1221 of 2169
Hello, a newbie here although I've lurked for ages. Just picked up a 32EH5300F for $362 at BestBuy with a old gift card I found in my drawer.... totally forgot I had it. . Now I just have to wait for the cable co. to install the cable in the bedroom. Didn't really care about the SMART stuff at first, just wanted wifi for streaming but allshare is pretty good and easy to set up. It sure beats watching stuff on my PC monitor even though it's a decent ips panel. Oddly I can see the difference when streaming 720p stuff and 1080p ... not a great difference, just a bit sharper and better looking. Pity cable tv wont be as nice. The resources here are fabulous so i'm sure to find all the best tweaks from the experts here.
Cheers
post #1222 of 2169
720p content looks better on a 720p display than on a 1080p display.
post #1223 of 2169
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Originally Posted by crashbot View Post

720p content looks better on a 720p display than on a 1080p display.

has to do with scaling/1:1 pixel mapping... however 720p signals are 1280 by 720 pixels while most 720p LED/LCDs are 1366 by 768... so it's still not a perfect match
post #1224 of 2169
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

....On the Samsung you can look at the version on box to see what panel it has...

Not any more on at least where I live, I wanted to help a friend get a 32" Samsung panel by checking out the box and it no longer has the panel code in it. Mine still had it though.. We had to open the box and check the panel version, luck for him it was a samsung panel.
post #1225 of 2169
I can't even do that:
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Originally Posted by crashbot View Post

I would like to report what the panel types are, but all I can find on the back is "Version 05". Does that mean anything to anybody?
post #1226 of 2169
My TV is cer.05 and it have AU Opt. panel if that helps. I dont know (dont believe) that is related strictly to version. Service menu is 100% sure to know which panel tv have installed.
post #1227 of 2169
Chicolom, do you know what happens to the settings of the TV when doing a factory reset in the service menu? (eh5000 series)
Will the effect be the same as a normal reset in the normal menu? Or will it change other settings which cannot be accessed by the normal menu?
Edited by K1ckstarter - 4/8/13 at 2:09am
post #1228 of 2169
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Originally Posted by K1ckstarter View Post

Chicolom, do you know what happens to the settings of the TV when doing a factory reset in the service menu? (eh5000 series)
Will the effect be the same as a normal reset in the normal menu? Or will it change other settings which cannot be accessed by the normal menu?

I believe it resets all the user settings like the normal reset under support > self diagnosis > reset PLUS certain values in the service menu (like in the hidden 'advanced' section). On my EH6030, the user reset doesn't reset network settings but the SM one does.
post #1229 of 2169
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I believe it resets all the user settings like the normal reset under support > self diagnosis > reset PLUS certain values in the service menu (like in the hidden 'advanced' section). On my EH6030, the user reset doesn't reset network settings but the SM one does.

Hm ok, thank you for the reply.. So, it cannot harm to do the reset in the SM? You are talking about certain valies in the service menu. If I would calibrate the screen again in the normal menu, I would be able to get the exact same picture as before the SM reset? In other words: Do you know any non-accessible (in normal menu) picture settings affected by the SM reset?
post #1230 of 2169
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Originally Posted by K1ckstarter View Post

Hm ok, thank you for the reply.. So, it cannot harm to do the reset in the SM? You are talking about certain valies in the service menu. If I would calibrate the screen again in the normal menu, I would be able to get the exact same picture as before the SM reset? In other words: Do you know any non-accessible (in normal menu) picture settings affected by the SM reset?

it should be harmless in terms of PQ/calibration done in the user menu

I've done it before with zero issues.
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