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post #1861 of 2165
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Originally Posted by panetesan2k6 View Post

Hi guys... I'm trying to set custom color space on a EH3000 as I did on my B651 but there are only 'native' and 'automatic' options... Is 'custom' color space setting hidden somewhere else? Any hack for this?

Thanks.

There are NO hacks to get your TV to show this:
CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 75


This poster (rbmaster) did some massive work to demonstrate his tweaking HERE

Fact is your auto or native color space are the options. Your not going to change the Gamut. Even if you were somehow able to decrypt the Service Menu, you'd need to hurdle getting into Expert mode, Own special tools, and I assume if you had either of those, you'd own a different TV altogether. smile.gif

rbmaster displays images of his before and after "Color Space Gamut" I took the liberty of making a ani gif to show how much actual movement was achieved. Not too helpful for ya I assume, but you're in the samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread.
post #1862 of 2165
Some tv's do allow you to do a full calibration including gamut without any of the SM b.s. that some think they need to do. If you really want to do that, then one needs to research which tv's allow multiple custom settings, otherwise you're stuck with what you get.
post #1863 of 2165

I just bought the UN40EH5300 and I'm and very pleased but with some exceptions. The search button doesn't work it just says "download data," below the search box which doesn't let me enter anything. Do I have to wait a while? Also the major problem is the motion blur. I was looking at earlier posts in this thread and many people complained about this same issue, however towards the end it seems as though that issue is minimal? Are there any settings I could use to help this. I turned off LED motion plus and put Game mode on and took off the noise filters. I believe I have the UD03 model that was made in Mexico. In addition I downloaded the Samsung Smart View application for my iPhone and it doesn't seem to work either. I am just looking for something I could use as wireless keyboard for use with youtube and other such applications. 

 

I understand that the settings people post here are arbitrary and are specific to their television but are there any basic settings that I should use? The TV picture is amazing but the blur really gets to me sometimes. I had a Panasonic 37LZ85, one of the first Panasonic LCD's and it was amazing but it got ruined during Hurricane Sandy. I doubt the picture quality was anywhere close but there was no motion blur.

 

I was thinking about checking out the LG 42LN5400 or the Vizio M401I-A3. There are both $30 more.

 

Is it true that on the LG you can't shut off the trumotion?

 

Does 120 HZ do anything for motion blur if you shut off the motion interpolation? 

 

If I get it professionally calibrated would that help with the motion blur. 

 

When I hit search it doesn't allow me to do anything and it freezes and I have to shut off the television. 

 

What is the best panel right now? I have the UD03, I probably could ask the guy in the back room to just look on the side of the box for the number. 

 

 

Thank You

post #1864 of 2165
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Originally Posted by jackburton89 View Post

I just bought the UN40EH5300 and I'm and very pleased but with some exceptions. The search button doesn't work it just says "download data," below the search box which doesn't let me enter anything. Do I have to wait a while? Also the major problem is the motion blur. I was looking at earlier posts in this thread and many people complained about this same issue, however towards the end it seems as though that issue is minimal? Are there any settings I could use to help this. I turned off LED motion plus and put Game mode on and took off the noise filters. I believe I have the UD03 model that was made in Mexico. In addition I downloaded the Samsung Smart View application for my iPhone and it doesn't seem to work either. I am just looking for something I could use as wireless keyboard for use with youtube and other such applications. 

I understand that the settings people post here are arbitrary and are specific to their television but are there any basic settings that I should use? The TV picture is amazing but the blur really gets to me sometimes. I had a Panasonic 37LZ85, one of the first Panasonic LCD's and it was amazing but it got ruined during Hurricane Sandy. I doubt the picture quality was anywhere close but there was no motion blur.

I was thinking about checking out the LG 42LN5400 or the Vizio 
M401I-A3. There are both $30 more.


Is it true that on the LG you can't shut off the trumotion?
No idea, but I suggest you stay away from LG LCDs if you want to have the same picture quality as your EH5300. LG uses IPS panels which have worse blacks and contrast ratios than VA panels (Samsung, Sony,...). No idea about the Vizio model.

Does 120 HZ do anything for motion blur if you shut off the motion interpolation? 
No, it doesn't. Without interpolation it looks the same as normal 60Hz refresh rate, because it's just repeating the same frame twice not shortening the persistence time of the picture on the screen which is mostly what causes motion blur in LCD displays. But 120Hz is still usefull to allow for 24 fps content without motion judder... but this isn't very noticeable for most ...

If I get it professionally calibrated would that help with the motion blur. 
Not necessarily, only if your pre-calibration settings are configured in a way that increases motion blur. It's generally advised to turn off all noise filters and artificial picture enhancers and Sharpness setting can also increase motion blur if it is increase beyond a certain value. If your TV is connected to a PC or console make sure the source device is configured to output 1080p at 60Hz refresh rate and Full RGB (0-255) color space. YCbCr can increase motion blur and input lag drastically when gaming. Beyond this, not much can be done to overcome motion blur.

When I hit search it doesn't allow me to do anything and it freezes and I have to shut off the television. 
Can't help, sorry.

What is the best panel right now? I have the UD03, I probably could ask the guy in the back room to just look on the side of the box for the number. 
There's no best panel. Be happy with what you have if it has no issues.

Thank You

For gaming, PC mode might cut even more input lag and motion blur than Game mode and it's easier to use.
If your TV is not connected to a PC or console and you watch normal TV or movies, Game mode should not be enabled and Movie preset is best.
To reduce motion blur try enabling the Clear Motion Rate setting, or whatever it's called in your TV, to activate backlight strobing. This is designed to reduce motion blur but will cause a decrease in luminance of the screen so you'll have to compensate with the Backligt setting. This setting is greyed out in PC mode.
Edited by kkl10 - 12/29/13 at 9:20am
post #1865 of 2165
While it is is true that LG tv's do have poor blacks (which is an inherent problem in all LCD-CCFL tv's, not just LG), the S-IPS panel has excellent color and off-axis viewing. We have a 2010 LG and my son has an EH5300. We've run them side by side and the Samsung does look a little better for some sources but his is LED backlit and ours is CCFL backlit so that's the difference. HIs panel is the S-PVA. One of the nice things about LG tv's, at least ours, is that you have a full complement of calibration options available to you with two Expert modes that can be applied to any input or source material. These are all user accessible (none of that SM stuff) and are very precise especially when used with a light meter and software.

Calibration has nothing to do with motion interpolation. Most people calibrate their tv's (or should) with all video enhancements disabled so some of those "enhancements" may contribute to the appearance of motion interpolation. When you calibrate your tv, you're setting the panel to REC. 709 video standards of which there are none for motion interpolation.

Video games do not have to follow REC. 709 standards so "calibrating" for them is a bit different.
post #1866 of 2165
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Originally Posted by jackburton89 View Post

I just bought the UN40EH5300 and I'm and very pleased but with some exceptions. The search button doesn't work it just says "download data," below the search box which doesn't let me enter anything. Do I have to wait a while? Also the major problem is the motion blur. I was looking at earlier posts in this thread and many people complained about this same issue, however towards the end it seems as though that issue is minimal? Are there any settings I could use to help this. I turned off LED motion plus and put Game mode on and took off the noise filters. I believe I have the UD03 model that was made in Mexico. In addition I downloaded the Samsung Smart View application for my iPhone and it doesn't seem to work either. I am just looking for something I could use as wireless keyboard for use with youtube and other such applications. 

I understand that the settings people post here are arbitrary and are specific to their television but are there any basic settings that I should use? The TV picture is amazing but the blur really gets to me sometimes. I had a Panasonic 37LZ85, one of the first Panasonic LCD's and it was amazing but it got ruined during Hurricane Sandy. I doubt the picture quality was anywhere close but there was no motion blur.

I was thinking about checking out the LG 42LN5400 or the Vizio 
M401I-A3. There are both $30 more.


Is it true that on the LG you can't shut off the trumotion?


Does 120 HZ do anything for motion blur if you shut off the motion interpolation? 


If I get it professionally calibrated would that help with the motion blur. 


When I hit search it doesn't allow me to do anything and it freezes and I have to shut off the television


What is the best panel right now? I have the UD03, I probably could ask the guy in the back room to just look on the side of the box for the number. 


Thank You

Can you access the Smart Hub? If yes, try your 'Search' button.
If Search fails in Smart Hub, power off TV and restart, Check your Menu>Network>Network Status look at your DNS ip and check that against the DNS ip on your other devices.
This could be a router/modem issue.

If you can not access the Smart Hub go to Menu>Network>Network Settings and rerun the network setup.. I may go without saying but you must have either a RJ45 network connection to the TV or have a wireless router that you have CONTROL/ACCESS to.

If you have a network connection and the DNS address is the exactly the same as the other devices on your home network and you can access Smart Hub and any feature that on it like Pandora, and Web Browser yet can not still use the Search button... chance your DNS ip to 8.8.8.8.

Your IPhone may be using G3/G4 network and not on your local home network.. Investigate and make the appropriate adjustment to your personal router, and/or your IPhone. Once on the same network run the IPhone app and look for the config/setting menu to explore hints as to what to do to get it married to the TV.

Good Luck!
post #1867 of 2165
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Originally Posted by Woobieizer View Post


Can you access the Smart Hub? If yes, try your 'Search' button.
If Search fails in Smart Hub, power off TV and restart, Check your Menu>Network>Network Status look at your DNS ip and check that against the DNS ip on your other devices.
This could be a router/modem issue.

If you can not access the Smart Hub go to Menu>Network>Network Settings and rerun the network setup.. I may go without saying but you must have either a RJ45 network connection to the TV or have a wireless router that you have CONTROL/ACCESS to.

If you have a network connection and the DNS address is the exactly the same as the other devices on your home network and you can access Smart Hub and any feature that on it like Pandora, and Web Browser yet can not still use the Search button... chance your DNS ip to 8.8.8.8.

Your IPhone may be using G3/G4 network and not on your local home network.. Investigate and make the appropriate adjustment to your personal router, and/or your IPhone. Once on the same network run the IPhone app and look for the config/setting menu to explore hints as to what to do to get it married to the TV.

Good Luck!

Thank you for your help. I tried everything and it is not working. Everyone works on the Smart Hub, except when I hit the search button on the remote, or in the Smart Hub, click on the search bar on top in the middle, it just says "downloading," and I left it like it for 15 minutes with no changes and the only way to remedy this is to power off the TV.

post #1868 of 2165
OK, I think I've got my Dad's TV looking a bit more natural by switching the Color mode from Standard to Warm1 (Warm2 looked a bit too colourful, like everyone had a bit of a tan) and increasing the backlight from 11 to 16. I'd previously thought the Eco Sensor was recommended to be disabled but it seems from reading other posts that it's not, so I set that on but I think I left the minimum on 2, so I probably need to increase that to 8 or 9. Hopefully that will avoid the need for my Dad to manually adjust depending on whether it's day or night, which obviously runs the risk of him leaving it on a setting that's suitable for one but not the other.

That was just for the cable box, which I can't really calibrate properly even if I had the proper tools as there's no way to play media files with it, so it has to be done by eye I guess. I'll check the other inputs with the calibration files next time I'm there though. He's got a Samsung BD player which has quite a few settings of it's own, such as Deep Colour and I wasn't really sure what to set those to so I'll have to get a list of them so that I can post them here and ask for advice.
post #1869 of 2165

I notice that when I switch to PC mode, the resolution seems to drop very slightly (or maybe that's from the lack of scaling) so I stick with Game mode. I recently tried a new picture setting set that i took an hour or so on dialing in. Thought the settings may seem unorthodox, try them out and you may just be surprised what this set can do. I'm using Full RGB range on PS4 and Normal Black levels. Updating original post now.

post #1870 of 2165
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Originally Posted by jackburton89 View Post

Thank you for your help. I tried everything and it is not working. Everyone works on the Smart Hub, except when I hit the search button on the remote, or in the Smart Hub, click on the search bar on top in the middle, it just says "downloading," and I left it like it for 15 minutes with no changes and the only way to remedy this is to power off the TV.

Ok one last thing.. I save this for last to ensure you had network and a functional Hub.

From Smart Hub>Tools button>Reinstall

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If that fail.. it's time to huddle up and consider punting over to Live Help

Samsung Remote Support service offers you
one-on-one support with a Samsung Technician
who can remotely :

Diagnose your TV
Customize the TV setting for you (Picture, Sound, etc)
Backup & Restore your customized setting
Reset your TV to the factory default
Install the latest firmware
Manage Smart Hub optimally

Plus, your settings are saved on our servers
for future sessions, if needed.

It's easy!
Just call 1-800-SAMSUNG (726-7864) and ask for remote support.

If you have any questions about Samsung Remote Support, please email remotesupport@sea.samsung.com.
post #1871 of 2165

I called and did all the steps and then the remote management. There is a know issue and they are working on a firmware fix. 

 

I have seen the F5500 is only ten dollars more at Best Buy. Would I be better off switching them? The only thing diffrence I have seen is the dual core processor?

 

Thanks.

 

Edit: 

 

I don't care for 3D but I see the 6030 is actually the same price as the 5500 but lacks Smart TV. All I like about the Smart TV is HBO Go which I feel is coming to PS3 soon enough, everything else my PS3 does. I care mostly about picture quality, will the 120 Hz on the 6030 improve the judder and motion blur IF i take of the clear motion pro? I don't like that artificial look. Anyone who has been through this please give me some advice! If there are any TV's with just great quality picture and handles motion up to $500, maybe $600 please let me know.

 

 

Also, are TV prices really going to drop that much in the next few weeks? 


Edited by jackburton89 - 12/30/13 at 9:26pm
post #1872 of 2165

Going bunkers trying to turn the PVR function ON a Samsung 32 smartTV UN5300FXZA

 

About your instructions:

 

1. The rusamsung remote PC program is in German, I can't understand it, I don't know if its running, The TV is not prompting me to allow control when I run it (it does shows a blueish square on the PC menu bar)

- Is there an English version?

 

2. I tried initiating the TV service mode by sequential pressing: Info, Menu, Mute and Power on the TV remote and I don't get the service manual.

 

3. The WIFI connection between the TV and the PC seems to break, I cant play videos once i chose a file from the TV-source-PC file it sees them but no play

 

Thanks for the help!

Send me and email if you can

 

 

PS Why does Samsung turn this feature of???


Edited by PVRTROUBLE - 12/30/13 at 9:37pm
post #1873 of 2165
Samsung, as well as other tv mfrs, quite often use the same basic boards for their tv's to keep production costs down. Certain functions are enabled depending on which model you want to purchase (more expensive, more functions). Each model board has it's own firmware that can be accessed via the Service Menu. Firmware versions are often times specific for the particular tv model's board, hence not all Service Menu codes are going to work to enable a function that wasn't specifically designed to work for that particular model. This is especially true for region specific models. Just because one person has success in activating a function that isn't supposed to be enabled for that model means that it will work for the same, or closely related model. The bottom line is that accessing the Service Menu is never a good idea because you can quickly and easily screw up your tv. Sometimes this will void your warranty altogether.
post #1874 of 2165
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Originally Posted by ls1dreams View Post

Quick question on audio/speakers:

I just picked up the UN46EH5000 for black friday (46" LCD) for $400. For the money, not a bad deal, though I'm not super thrilled with the picture. I'll get into that more later.

One main concern: Has anyone noticed a weird buzzing/vibration sound at certain points in movies?

For example, I'm watching Scandal right now on Netflix, and in several tense moments with background music the TV makes a loud buzzing sound. I'm thinking it could be one of 3 things:

1. Maybe just a resonant frequency or something with the TV? Either way, it's happening a lot at least on this series.
2. If not a resonant frequency, maybe just too much bass makes this particular chassis vibrate a lot? (volumes are at very moderate levels)
3. Possibly bad speakers?
4. Perhaps it's just this netflix series that might have problems with audio

I just went through about a dozen songs on my USB drive, but didn't notice any vibration on those. It could just be that the bass doesn't kick in then. I also have not noticed it yet watching TV. (Fios).

Has anyone else noticed this?

Recording of the buzz here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19122515/Buzz.m4a

This is recording is around the 30min mark of Scandal Season 2 Episode 8 (among MANY other places). Buzzing is around the 7 sec mark of this recording (taken from back of the TV so you can hear it clearly).

UPDATE TO THE BUZZING:

On the phone, Samsung was clueless. The first rep had me play the sound test which plays a little chime and obviously did nothing. When I explained it was the bass causing it, she told me that because my TV didn't have a "subwoofer" my TV did not have bass and it couldn't happen. UGH. Finally got put through to someone competent who sent out a tech.

The tech said that this was actually happening on all the TV's and it's more noticeable when using movie mode for sound (as I noticed as well).

Their solution? They replaced the speakers. I asked him how a new speaker would help since the panel was rattling - he just said they would work.

Turn back on the TV, and now I know why: They are WAY quieter than the old ones. So, clearly, samsung didn't attempt to fix the real issue, but rather just made the overall sound worse on my TV but resolved the rattling. I don't think they just added a low-pass-filter either, since the new speaker is quieter even in normal voice ranges.

He said that they used to add some foam to the back, but no longer do that because a customer's TV caught fire from it. Unfortunately, he wasn't allowed to leave me the old speakers either, so I can never swap them back in if I want.

Oddly, he told me that over time the speakers will get louder. I don't believe that for a second.

So, overall, I'm not happy with the results. I'll continue to use the speakers for a while and see how I like them. I'd consider a sound bar, but for a $400 TV, it's kind of weird to spend $200+ on a sound bar.
post #1875 of 2165
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Originally Posted by ls1dreams View Post

UPDATE TO THE BUZZING:

On the phone, Samsung was clueless. The first rep had me play the sound test which plays a little chime and obviously did nothing. When I explained it was the bass causing it, she told me that because my TV didn't have a "subwoofer" my TV did not have bass and it couldn't happen. UGH. Finally got put through to someone competent who sent out a tech.

The tech said that this was actually happening on all the TV's and it's more noticeable when using movie mode for sound (as I noticed as well).

Their solution? They replaced the speakers. I asked him how a new speaker would help since the panel was rattling - he just said they would work.

Turn back on the TV, and now I know why: They are WAY quieter than the old ones. So, clearly, samsung didn't attempt to fix the real issue, but rather just made the overall sound worse on my TV but resolved the rattling. I don't think they just added a low-pass-filter either, since the new speaker is quieter even in normal voice ranges.

He said that they used to add some foam to the back, but no longer do that because a customer's TV caught fire from it. Unfortunately, he wasn't allowed to leave me the old speakers either, so I can never swap them back in if I want.

Oddly, he told me that over time the speakers will get louder. I don't believe that for a second. that is a lie.. maybe the foam/fire was a lie as well

So, overall, I'm not happy with the results. I'll continue to use the speakers for a while and see how I like them. I'd consider a sound bar, but for a $400 TV, it's kind of weird to spend $200+ on a sound bar.

ls1dreams thank you for all the effort. Your sacrifice for the 'Correct' method of repair will be a big help to others who experience this. Please update Amazon and if you have you own review, you can PM me the link, I'll be sure to follow up on comments.

I'll keep my nose to the air be sure to replace the Battery on my smoke detector. FWIW.. I tested my memory foam under open flame BEFORE installation, and was satisfied that it was safe enough for use.

If you had a chance to look at the replacement speakers did you notice if they had the dynamic port, that exits the relative side upper corner. More than likely they dont.

Helmholtz resonance is the phenomenon of air resonance in a cavity, such as when one blows across the top of an empty bottle.
via Wikipedia Application:

My system under band aid test.
Video-bitrate="701"
Video-bitrate="500"
Video-bitrate="400" Information: Expanded! (Click to show)
The back panel (cover) to the Samsung UN46EH5300F removed. It is not reinforced along the backbone with bends to keep it from being susceptible to vibrations from the *speaker ports*, thus it and the wall mounts resonate. Samsung UN46EH5300 UF03 46-Inch 1080p 60Hz LED HDTV (Black)

Quote:
*From my experiment using Frequency Test via YouTube, I found the range of the builtin speakers to be from 75Hz to 12000Hz. My back panel would rattle @ 180Hz ~ 240Hz causing annoying hum to be added to the distinguishable sound perception.*
This is clearly in BASS Range.
Edited by Woobieizer - 12/31/13 at 9:19am
post #1876 of 2165
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Originally Posted by WBFAir View Post

Wow thanks for the quick reply Woobieizer.

Just was able to take a quick look at the info there an will look more in the AM when I'm not so tired, but quickly, yup, that's just what I have going on.

Is funny as I bought the 32" version for the bedroom this summer, but put that right into and have used ever since, a SS system. So is prob why I never notice it on that.

Btw, just for your opinion, I was thinking of getting a $200.00 to $300.00 sound bar for this TV instead of dealing with any of this.

Is not the only reason I would do this as I'm looking to improve the quality too, but just wondered of just your opinion if that might be a good idea over the quality for the stock speakers?

Honestly the speakers sound pretty good for such a lower cost TV, so was not planning to go this route right off. But now that I see this is a known problem and why, perhaps would be the way to go huh?

Thanks for the info

Looked into this for my sis who has a new dell lappy.. it might be worth a looksee.

http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PSBV200BT-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Wireless/dp/B00AF56QA8/ref=sr_1_3?m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&s=merchant&ie=UTF8&qid=1388512968&sr=1-3&keywords=bluetooth+sound+systems
post #1877 of 2165
Hi to all,
I have UE32EH4000. It is labeled version:03 . In service menu I found type:32S6AH0D. Can you help me find out what is the panel?
post #1878 of 2165
The panel/s used in your model are not the same as the EH5000 series.
EH4000 is HD Ready (720p) and the EH5000 is Full HD 1080p).
None of the info you see here regarding the Full HD models is going to necessarily apply to your model.
So what's the point of knowing what panel you have?
There's no reason to obsess with this.
post #1879 of 2165
May be I am blind, but as far I can see the thread is for 4000/5000/5300.
post #1880 of 2165
I think what kkl10 is saying is that the Samsung panels (S-PVA) are available in only certain model versions and sizes. You have a 32" EH4000 which is not full HD (1080p) so the panel lottery doesn't really apply to you. The panel type for your Samsung is irrelevant as far as the panel lottery goes.
post #1881 of 2165
I have a quick and naive question. I bought a new 40EH5000 recently, and I found one interesting thing. When I tilted or rotated it by more than 10 degrees side by side, I heard that the LCD panel inside the cabinet slightly moved and made some sound when the panel hit the other end inside the cabinet. I guess the shift inside the cabinet would be roughly around 2mm. My question is, is the LCD panel to be fixed tightly inside the cabinet so that it will not move at all inside the cabinet? It looks okay for now, but I am a little bit worried about its reliability and wonder if something inside the cabinet to hold the panel tight was broken. If the LCD panel is to be fixed tightly inside the cabinet so that it will not move at all, then it might be better to exchange it at the store within the return period.
Actually, before I bought 40EH5000, I bought LG 42LN5300, and I found an exactly same problem (but it moved a lot more) and thought that it was a seriously defective one, so returned it without hesitation. But now I see the same problem with Samsung TV, and wonder if this is okay for all LCD/LED TV sets selling nowadays.
Thanks for your help in advance smile.gif
post #1882 of 2165
The simple answer is "I don't know", and I have never "tested" my TVs in this way (who would?) - I know it might happen in transit. As an engineer, I can imagine how the panels might be allowed to "float" so that differential expansion does not crack the glass.
post #1883 of 2165
Actually, there's no glass in LCD screens.
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Originally Posted by Jun View Post

I have a quick and naive question. I bought a new 40EH5000 recently, and I found one interesting thing. When I tilted or rotated it by more than 10 degrees side by side, I heard that the LCD panel inside the cabinet slightly moved and made some sound when the panel hit the other end inside the cabinet. I guess the shift inside the cabinet would be roughly around 2mm. My question is, is the LCD panel to be fixed tightly inside the cabinet so that it will not move at all inside the cabinet? It looks okay for now, but I am a little bit worried about its reliability and wonder if something inside the cabinet to hold the panel tight was broken. If the LCD panel is to be fixed tightly inside the cabinet so that it will not move at all, then it might be better to exchange it at the store within the return period.
Actually, before I bought 40EH5000, I bought LG 42LN5300, and I found an exactly same problem (but it moved a lot more) and thought that it was a seriously defective one, so returned it without hesitation. But now I see the same problem with Samsung TV, and wonder if this is okay for all LCD/LED TV sets selling nowadays.
Thanks for your help in advance smile.gif

As far as I know, this is not common in LCDs.
The panel should stay firmly fixed in place and not jiggle around like you describe.
I'd say it's defective and ought to be replaced. You've been unlucky.

EDIT: Hmmm, I take back my words about LCDs not having glass.. after a bit of search I'm not sure now. I thought that it would be reckless to use such a brittle material on a TV display, but it seems that it might be used after all...
post #1884 of 2165
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Originally Posted by crashbot View Post

The simple answer is "I don't know", and I have never "tested" my TVs in this way (who would?) - I know it might happen in transit. As an engineer, I can imagine how the panels might be allowed to "float" so that differential expansion does not crack the glass.

Thanks for your reply. I didn't ask anyone to test this with his TV set, I just asked if there was someone who experienced this when he moved his TV set. smile.gif Actually, I came to notice this when I moved it from living room to my bedroom. (I didn't notice this when I took it out of the box, attached the stand to it and put it on a table)
Anyway, I agree with your guess and that's what I thought when I noticed the problem(?). I just wanted to have some opinions of other people based on their experience. wink.gif
post #1885 of 2165
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Originally Posted by kkl10 View Post

Actually, there's no glass in LCD screens...

EDIT: Hmmm, I take back my words about LCDs not having glass.. after a bit of search I'm not sure now. I thought that it would be reckless to use such a brittle material on a TV display, but it seems that it might be used after all...
What the heck did you think they are made from then??
post #1886 of 2165
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Originally Posted by kkl10 View Post

Actually, there's no glass in LCD screens.
As far as I know, this is not common in LCDs.
The panel should stay firmly fixed in place and not jiggle around like you describe.
I'd say it's defective and ought to be replaced. You've been unlucky.

EDIT: Hmmm, I take back my words about LCDs not having glass.. after a bit of search I'm not sure now. I thought that it would be reckless to use such a brittle material on a TV display, but it seems that it might be used after all...

Thanks for your reply. Maybe, I might need to stop by BestBuy and test several sets on display for myself. tongue.gif
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What the heck did you think they are made from then??

Lol, I dunno, but I'd think anything but glass for obvious reasons.
Glass is very brittle and there are other material with similar optical properties of glass that have some flexibility to them and are less brittle, some sort of polymer or acrilyc....
Actually I thought that LCD panels have some flexibility which allows them to be bended or twisted up to a certain point before breaking.
Searching on google I found that an extremelly thin layer of either plastic or special glass substrate can be used in LCD panels.
Since it's so thin , I'd think it has some degree of flexibilty to it... but I don't know.
I know CRT and Plasma displays use solid glass for sure...
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Well, after extensive testing with this set, I've found the best setting for gaming consoles to be Source>HDMI 1,2,3[Tools]>PC then set to "Entertain" mode. This mode has the lowest input lag and displays Full RGB by default. My settings for Entertain Mode are

 

Backlight: 20- Eco Sensor 17

Contrast: 100

Brightness: 58

Sharpness:100

Color Temperature: Cool (Standard had too much red for me)

 

Much simpler for newbies as well. Does anyone have any test charts with this mode calibrated?

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ROCKva, I can appreciate the time and investment you've spent to compile the eyeball calibration. The purchase of the WOW disk the going back and forth from the menus. Time Time.. TIME.. all for the good measure of choice. The setting you posted above are very easy to activate, and probably good for < lag gaming. I say this to complement you for the data, yet be warned, that sleeping behind a mode set like this will spike the power usage to nearly the max of the INFO display.

There exists a trade off all ppl must consider when adjusting a set; that consideration to me is 'Longevity.'

I've had and used a Westinghouse 47" LCD since 2007 and it is still the main source for my PS3 and Laptop. I've keep it close to the presets seen in my gallery for gaming and PC work.
I had in mind during the setup that doing any setting that USED 100% of any control would leave no wiggle room for future adjustment, and with that in mind I made that THE baseline for adjustment. To back up this precept, an according to the TweakGuides page 8, it is not a good idea to run your expensive gear in 'Torch Mode'.

I've found that simply adjusting the Contrast, Black Levels, and White Saturation from this ole site is still relevant and easy.



UN46EH5300FXZA version UF03 power usage in Entertain/game vrs custom
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^^^^^ that's a good observation and common sense tells you that running anything at maximum (torch mode) is going to shorten the life of some components and leaves absolutely no room for adjustment other than down. The point of a properly done calibration or even an accurate picture adjustment is that the various parameters involved in a calibration rarely, if ever, need to be set to 100% to achieve REC. 709 standards. Video games are the exception because they don't have to follow the REC. 709 guidelines but the notion about running at 100% of anything still holds true.
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