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post #241 of 2159
can anyone confirm if the EH5300 has usb-record
post #242 of 2159
[quote name="giin" url="/t/1406151/the-

official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/240#post_22304381"]can anyone confirm if the EH5300 has usb-record[/quote]



I have the 46inch EH5300, it has no record facility on usb.
post #243 of 2159
is there any other way of recording from the 5300 if it does not allow usb recording.

apologies for the newb questions!
post #244 of 2159
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Originally Posted by w@ntonsoup View Post

I meant out of the possible panels that are available on this TV - people are saying there are different panels inside these TVs and it's a crap shoot which one you'll get.
The panel type also appears to depend on what size tv you purchase. I have only seen the CH01 panel in the 50 inch version.
post #245 of 2159
I've owned the UN40EH5000 for a few weeks now. Decent picture, no backlight bleed etc. I bought this over the 6000 120 hz model due to the reviews that said this was actually the better tv. I'm sure the panel differences had something to do with that outcome. Has anyone actually compared the two models side by side other than the review on televisioinfo? I'm slightly disappointed in the motion of the EH5000 and wanted to know how much of an improvement is the 6000 model in those regards? Considering it only costs $50 more, would it be a noticeable upgrade in the motion department? Without all the added enhancement functions enabled would I notice a big difference?
post #246 of 2159
Does the 5000 or 5300 have a glossy screen, or did they change it on these models? I like the UltraClear panels because I can control glare.
post #247 of 2159
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Originally Posted by Henry Toole View Post

I've owned the UN40EH5000 for a few weeks now. Decent picture, no backlight bleed etc. I bought this over the 6000 120 hz model due to the reviews that said this was actually the better tv. I'm sure the panel differences had something to do with that outcome. Has anyone actually compared the two models side by side other than the review on televisioinfo? I'm slightly disappointed in the motion of the EH5000 and wanted to know how much of an improvement is the 6000 model in those regards? Considering it only costs $50 more, would it be a noticeable upgrade in the motion department? Without all the added enhancement functions enabled would I notice a big difference?

With out the extra image processing there can be so little that can be done with the motion processing even the highest end 8000 series have bad motion if all of its processing are disabled.
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Does the 5000 or 5300 have a glossy screen, or did they change it on these models? I like the UltraClear panels because I can control glare.

I have the 5000 and I would not say its full gloss nor full matte but something in between, it does not give that glass like look nor does it blur out images.
post #248 of 2159
is the Samsung 32ES5500 better than the EH5300. The prices are very similar, the only thing I can see is the ES5500 has usb record
http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/samsung/ue32es5500/sams-ue32es5500

ES5500 Vs EH5300 ?
post #249 of 2159
I personally like the array LED backlight on the EH series, the uniformity is outstanding. When you go to edge lit, other problems with picture quality begin to arise.
post #250 of 2159
Hi,

I bought the EH4000. Out of the box, I really didn't like the picture quality that much. However, after turning off all of the gimmicky settings, and turning up the backlight to 20 - its highest setting - I really, really like it. One thing outstanding about this set is the black levels - truly outstanding. Colors are nice and deep, but it doesn't seem to have the same depth of my larger Sharp Aquos. I believe it's because the Sharp is a 10 bit panel, whereas this is probably 6 bit. Another slight negative is that if you are too close to the screen, you will occasionally see some stair-stepping on computer-generated graphics, especially text graphics.

I also am using it as a computer monitor hooked up to a laptop. It works great. I'm typing on it right now! As long as you're about 4 feet from the tv, it looks quite sharp and clear. I did have to change settings on the ATI display control to tone down the color saturation.

I bought this tv for my kitchen table, and didn't think buying the 1080p version would be worth it. Well, maybe now I think it may have been as I'm using it as a monitor.

But, I guess I will keep it, as it's just fine as it is.

One interesting thing - my ATI control for the display states that the highest resolution for the tv is 1920x1080. I can watch youtube videos in 1080p which looks sharper than the 720p setting. Not sure what's going on, as I didn't expect it to state such a thing or make the 1080p videos sharper on a 720p set. But in any event, it looks really good.

At the moment, I'm really liking the tv, so I will give it a thumbs up for now.
post #251 of 2159
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Originally Posted by Nemix77 View Post

I know the EH5000 series is coming out with a 37" come September but I'm unsure if I should wait or just get the 40" right now. In particular, would the 37" models still be using S-PVA panels (maybe newer version) or will they be using something else?

x2 on this.

Waiting for the 37EH5000 (why is it just now coming out?). I guess it's now out already. I hope it has a good panel in it.

Edit: You would think if the 37EH5000 is new, it would start with a samsung panel. I'm not really sure how panel lotteries work, like if they are used to make up for shortages of OEM (samsung panels)...
Edited by chicolom - 8/19/12 at 3:20am
post #252 of 2159
To those who have a samsung or a chimei panel, could you indicate the serial number out of the box?
Just to see if there's a chance to identify the panel in the shop from the box.

Thanks anyway.
post #253 of 2159
My 50eh5000 is looking much better thanks to some advice found here - turn backlight all the way up and turn all processing off. Then adjust brightness,contrast,color. A thousand times improved over letting Samsung have any say in the matter smile.gif But I've still noticed the 60hz biting me in the ass a little bit during motion.

But those who say the sound is tolerable must have quite a waxy buildup smile.gif
post #254 of 2159
Questions for UN32EH4000 owners. How is the input lag on this tv for gaming, and have u found any motion imperfections when watching Blu-Rays?
post #255 of 2159
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Originally Posted by Maverickaim9 View Post

Questions for UN32EH4000 owners. How is the input lag on this tv for gaming, and have u found any motion imperfections when watching Blu-Rays?

Not sure about the EH4000, but I've read the EH5000 has about ~30ms lag, which is pretty acceptable.
post #256 of 2159
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Originally Posted by glenbob1 View Post

Televisioninfo.com says that the eh5000 has a great viewing angle.

If you get the right panel...
post #257 of 2159
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Originally Posted by nickdc View Post

To those who have a samsung or a chimei panel, could you indicate the serial number out of the box?
Just to see if there's a chance to identify the panel in the shop from the box.
Thanks anyway.
The version number on the box is an indicator of what panel is installed. CH01 in my case is the Chimei panel.
post #258 of 2159
Just a warning to anyone interested in 37 inch EHx000 models. I'm now reading on some other forums that Samsung and Sony's joint S-PVA panel supplier, S-LCD, doesn't even make 37 inch S-PVA panels as the demand for 37 inch TV's is low: So 37 inch models may default to the third party panel suppliers.

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post #259 of 2159
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Originally Posted by 12none View Post

The version number on the box is an indicator of what panel is installed. CH01 in my case is the Chimei panel.

Could you please post a picture of your box label? I would like to see where the "CH01" is so I know where to look for it. Thanks!
post #260 of 2159
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Originally Posted by 12none View Post

The version number on the box is an indicator of what panel is installed. CH01 in my case is the Chimei panel.

So how do you find the Chimei panel? Im pretty sure the Samsung Panels are not really superior as the first set I had came with the AU Optronics it did leave some ghosting with certain colors but it didnt have any blur when scrolling a text horizontally as compared to the Samsung panel I got as a replacement


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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Could you please post a picture of your box label? I would like to see where the "CH01" is so I know where to look for it. Thanks!

Its at the back of the TV where you find the HDMI ports there a "VERSION" indicator.


@Topic

Wish there was a way to change the color saturation level in PC mode, turning up digital vibrance on the nvidia control panel crushes some black 'line' detail when reds are involved.
post #261 of 2159
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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

Its at the back of the TV where you find the HDMI ports there a "VERSION" indicator.

Thanks, but I know there is a label on the set itself. I'm looking for a label on the box so you can check it while your still at the store and haven't opened it.
post #262 of 2159
Yeah it's right next to the model and serial number. Can't miss it.
post #263 of 2159
Hi all.

My 32eh5000 will be delivered this Wednesday from John Lewis to be used a dual PC monitor and for playing my ps3.

I am beginning to get worried about what panel my TV will have installed. From my research I have found that the non samsung panels are inferior in quality.....so my question is whether if this is significant for me to have to return it and play the panel lottery again or would it be better to go for a different TV?

If I do decided to go for a different TV, what should i go for? I have read that the i LG 32LS5600 fits all my criteria for a TV but many people have found that to be inferior to the samung?
post #264 of 2159
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Originally Posted by w@ntonsoup View Post

Yeah it's right next to the model and serial number. Can't miss it.

On the outside box? Hmm, OK.

Do we know which ones are Samsung panels? I know CH01 is Chei Mei. I've read these don't use the Sxxx version numbers and instead have Txxx or something...
post #265 of 2159
I am trying to understand the panel info. I am looking to purchase a 42EH5000 (or possibly 5300). As I understand it is may be a bit of personal preference which panel is truly best. Some consensus indicates IPS as best.? I am trying to understand what "version" numbers I should be on the hunt for on the outside of the box to get the best possible chance of picking the best panel. I still don't have all the pieces together though. Here is what I have so far:

Construction Version Manufacturer Desirable?

IPS Yes
S-PVA ?
S-MVA CH01 ChiMei Maybe
A-MVA
? TS01 Samsung Yes
? HS03 Sharp No?
? TH02 Maybe

As you can see there are still a lot of holes in this matrix. At the least I'd like to understand which ones to stay away from. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
post #266 of 2159
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Originally Posted by psi123 View Post

Hi all.
My 32eh5000 will be delivered this Wednesday from John Lewis to be used a dual PC monitor and for playing my ps3.
I am beginning to get worried about what panel my TV will have installed. From my research I have found that the non samsung panels are inferior in quality.....so my question is whether if this is significant for me to have to return it and play the panel lottery again or would it be better to go for a different TV?
If I do decided to go for a different TV, what should i go for? I have read that the i LG 32LS5600 fits all my criteria for a TV but many people have found that to be inferior to the samung?

I have no idea how the LS5600 (LS5700 in my region) is inferior to the EH5000. I owned a Sammy EH5300 prior to changing it with the LS5700 and I am 100% sure that the LS5700 is far superior to the Series 5 Samsung tvs in 2012.

First consideration for me was that the tv should be able to handle motion properly. The EH5300 did a poor job at this. Motion blurs were very obvious. Sure the blacks were nice and deep but everything else was subpar. I did love how my Galaxy Note paired up well with the Samsung tv but aside from that, there was nothing else keeping me from trading it in for the LG tv i have now.

The LS5700 has Trumotion. I was hoping the Series 5 of Samsung would have motion interpolation but it didn't and that was ultimately the deciding factor for me to trad it in. While most people find Motion interpolation jarring, I find it very pleasant especially when watching Hi-definition animated movies and action blu ray movies.

Aside from that, there's support for DTS. Apps are pre-installed already compared to the Samsung Smart TV which you had to install the apps in your USB. 3 USB ports, 4 HDMI ports and an optical out for the LG LS5700. Compare that to a Series 5 Sammy and you will find out that Sammy is the inferior TV set. Plus, the Samsung TV build looks cheap and outdated probably because of its huge back panel due to the full array backlighting. The only downside I found with the LG LS5700, as with all other edge-lit tvs, is that it does suffer from backlight bleeding. But it's very minimal and will not crush the black levels.

All in all, the best alternative for a Samsung Series 5 (and far more superior), is the LG LS5700. Other features include: Magic Motion remote, Clear Voice, Auto volume, Picture Wizard II and it can be fine tuned by an ISF expert with the variety of picture adjustments that can be toggled.
post #267 of 2159
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Originally Posted by mychambo View Post

I am trying to understand the panel info. I am looking to purchase a 42EH5000 (or possibly 5300). As I understand it is may be a bit of personal preference which panel is truly best. Some consensus indicates IPS as best.? I am trying to understand what "version" numbers I should be on the hunt for on the outside of the box to get the best possible chance of picking the best panel. I still don't have all the pieces together though. Here is what I have so far:
Construction Version Manufacturer Desirable?
IPS Yes
S-PVA ?
S-MVA CH01 ChiMei Maybe
A-MVA
? TS01 Samsung Yes
? HS03 Sharp No?
? TH02 Maybe
As you can see there are still a lot of holes in this matrix. At the least I'd like to understand which ones to stay away from. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Here is what I've found out:

IPS panels are popular for monitors where accuracy is important for things like photo editing. Samsung doesn't use IPS panels, but Panasonic and LG do. Samsung uses VA types, along with Sony and Toshiba. In order of contrast ratios for VA panels (lower number being better) it goes:

1. S-PVA
2. UV2A (U-MVA) (?)
3. S-MVA
4. A-MVA


For the EH line, the panels used are various VA based panels, including S-PVA (Samsung), S-MVA (Chei Mei), A-MVA (AUO Optronics), and a Sharp made panel that I'm not sure what the matrice is

I know the 37 inch EH uses only AUO or Chei Mei panels as Samsung and Sony's joint S-PVA panel supplier, S-LCD, doesn't manufacture panels in that size. Same for the 39 inch UN39EH5003. It also seems like the 50" and 60" sets don't use S-PVA panels.

So currently I wouldn't expect to find S-PVA panels in 37", 39", 50", and 60" screen sizes.



If you can find a "Version" number that can help. It's usually a four digit code, on a sticker on the side of the TV.

Anything starting with Cxxx or Bxxx is Chei Mei. Hxxx is a Sharp panel. Version "A" panels, are made by AUO, and have the labels ACxx, AAxx, and BAxx. I also think Mxxx is an MVA from AUO Optronics. The service menu for Mxxx shows "L."

Samsung currently seems to be using Txxx to label their own S-PVA panels. TS0x and TH0x have both been tested via the service menu and indicate Samsung panels.


>>>> So going off of labels Cxxx/Bxxx = Chei Mei, Axxx/BAxx/Mxxx = AUO Optronics, Hxxx = Sharp, and Txxx = Samsung S-LCD.

Samsung S-PVA (Txxx) are generally the preferred panels to get (best performing in terms of Contrast, black levels, viewing angles,etc). The other panels can have less desirable traits, such as off-axis glow to the blacks for S-MVA, purple ghosting on Sharp panels, etc. (At least that's what others have complained about).


In general, most people seem to prefer S-PVA panels, but that doesn't mean the other panels are necessarily bad. (Click to show)
Some people on the forum have gotten carried away and let themselves develop an automatic prejudice about certain panels and a bias towards others. This is clearly evidenced by the number of people casually referring to some panels as "the bad panels", "the garbage panels", etc.


If you want to get your hands on a certain LCD panel, that's fine, but please try to stop badmouthing the other panels and vendors so much. It only perpetuates spreading more preconceived biases in people, and isn't really helpful. New people come to thread now and immediately start posting by aksing whether they got one of the garbage panels to see if they need to return it. They may not even have any problems with the picture, but they've got it embedded in their head that they might have a "bad" panel on their hands that they need to get replaced. I think they start to believe that certain panels are inherently faulty or defective.


If you get a certain panel it doesn't mean the panel is "junk/garbage", "defective", or "bad" and needs to be replaced/returned. It just means it got a panel with a certain LCD tech in it.

It's not like Chi Mei and AU Optronics just pump out bad panels from some shady factory. These are BIG companies and are some of the largest LCD producers worldwide.

There is no perfect panel, and LCDs all have their pros and cons. The reason people like the S-PVAs on these current Samsungs is because, at the moment, they have a slight advantage in a few areas of picture quality which are weighted more importantly (such as contrast and viewing angles) over other panel techs. That could change though in the future, and the other companies could leapfrog them and come out with a better performing panel.



Probably the best way to find out the panel is to get into the TV's service menu.

[ Note: Entering the service menu will reset the TV settings to factory default !! ]

To enter the service menu:

(TV in Standby Mode)
Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power (in rapid succession).
(Non-US versions, Press info-menu-mute-power)

Look under "Option" or "Type".

Search for your model's "inch number", and look at the letter immediately following the "inch number"

A:Samsung
H:Sharp
P:CMI (chimei)
R:AUO (au optronics)

So a UN40EH5000 with a samsung panel, would like this: 40A6AF0D

Exit with power off on remote.

1) Some reading on Service Menu information...


2)...and a bit more here


Here are some pics of Samsung labels, and the service menu:





Edited by chicolom - 3/12/13 at 7:56am
post #268 of 2159
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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

I no longer have any motion related issues on my TH02 no matter how hard try to look for as compared to the previous AD01 panel I had.

seems to be so random...

so your panel is TH02 and it is from chimai?
post #269 of 2159
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Originally Posted by Sabbra View Post

seems to be so random...
so your panel is TH02 and it is from chimai?

It would be helpful if people with Txxx panels would check the service menu to see who the vendor is with the instructions I posted above. Axxx should be AUO optronics.
post #270 of 2159
Here's the label on the back of my 37". Version is AS01 -- is that AUO optronics? I couldn't get into the service menu. I'm really happy with this set. The motion blur is nothing compared to MOST big Sony and Samsungs I've seen.

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