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post #421 of 1406
9/21/12 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by MrFishcake View Post

Thank you so much for this. this sort of answer is exactly what I needed. I had no idea what the reference levels meant.
And when i said about the blacks being darker on low I probably meant that lighter colors were becoming darker. so on normal everything appeared lighter
I will set it to low + standard and post again after doing all my tests for the blue trailing. Might I add that TV and blu-rays look great with no issues at all on low setting. I just need to get my xbox settings right and Im sorted.
Thanks again.
EDIT: (AFTER TESTS)
Wow..., thank you so so so much. It actually worked... And now im thinking that i didn't ever need to return the eh5300 tv's in the first place.. Because changing the settings to this has completely fixed the blue trailing issue I had.
I always had it set to expanded + low. and auto colour space (on xbox) So that was probably the reason I was getting that issue. Anyway, I cant thank you enough for helping me with this, Not only has it fixed that trailing issue, but it has made motion performance much better too.
I just need to get my picture settings better now.

Happy to help wink.gif
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post #422 of 1406
9/21/12 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Yeah, I have the backlight banding too on dark grey patterns. However, I referring to the (very fine vertical) digital banding on continuous grayscale ramps like the ones on Disney WOW and AVSHD709. From my viewing distance this banding is hard to detect, but if I get very close to the screen like I did in the pics I see what the pics show. Can you tell me if you notice the same thing when very close the the screen staring at the grayscale ramp (especially near black)?
Also, I'm using YCbCr 4:4:4 color space via HDMI 1080/60p from the PS3.

I think most TV's will show some digital banding, but some of it does depend on the source. For example, my PC sending RGB 0-256 signal shows less banding than my xbox sending 16-235 YCbCr. The banding on this TV is no worse than other TV's I've seen (actually a bit better than my previous TV).

Here is a close up of the grayscale ramp so you can see it does have some digital banding. I think this is an acceptable/normal amount. Again, this pic is from my Xbox - my PC has less banding. ( Good luck finding a TV that's perfectly smooth).


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Originally Posted by giin View Post

just entered the service menu of my 32EH5300, and:
Type: 32A6AF0D
the back of TV is printed - 'Version: 02'
i guess thats a SAMMY PANNY, right? but does that info give which of these i have
1. S-PVA
2. UV2A (U-MVA)
3. S-MVA
4. A-MVA

S-PVA = Samsung. That's the kind they manufacture (Samsung and Sony both gets S-PVA panels from the S-LCD company)
S-MVA = Chei Mei
A-MVA = Auo Optronics
ASV = Sharp. I think UV2A is also Sharp.
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post #423 of 1406
9/21/12 at 4:08pm
Have another issue. Dark shadows appear to have a blueish tint.
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post #424 of 1406
9/21/12 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I think most TV's will show some digital banding, but some of it does depend on the source. For example, my PC sending RGB 0-256 signal shows less banding than my xbox sending 16-235 YCbCr. The banding on this TV is no worse than other TV's I've seen (actually a bit better than my previous TV).
Here is a close up of the grayscale ramp so you can see it does have some digital banding. I think this is an acceptable/normal amount. Again, this pic is from my Xbox - my PC has less banding. ( Good luck finding a TV that's perfectly smooth).

S-PVA = Samsung. That's the kind they manufacture (Samsung and Sony both gets S-PVA panels from the S-LCD company)
S-MVA = Chei Mei
A-MVA = Auo Optronics
ASV = Sharp. I think UV2A is also Sharp.


This is interesting. I have an almost 6 year old Mitsubishi LT-46231 with S-PVA panel and I have none of the digital banding as shown in the picture from any source which included: OTA, Dish Network, 2 DVD players (Philips Q50 Denon 955S) , 2 Blu-ray players (Sony BDP-S550 & Panasonic DMP-BD80), Toshiba HD-XA2 HDDVD, and a Wii system. Maybe I have been fortunate, but the PQ on my Mits is excellent for black level and off angle viewing and offers a very smooth and clean image. . . jaw dropping still with some sources. As mentioned, only color accuracy and saturation could be better in the green/ blue/cyan particularly. I wonder why newer S-PVA panels should have "digital banding"?
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post #425 of 1406
9/21/12 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

could a calibration issue, what pic mode and color temp are you using? try a warmer color temp
you could also try lowering the blue offset in the white balance menu under advanced settings a click or two... however, it's only guesswork without a meter of some sort

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post #426 of 1406
9/21/12 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

I wonder why newer S-PVA panels should have "digital banding"?

I didn't think it was an S-PVA specific problem.

FWIR banding has to do with bit depth and rounding errors in colors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_banding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bits_per_pixel

The higher the bit rate, the more color resolution and range or "stops" along the color variation.

Perhaps your Mitzubishi has a higher bit depth than current Sammys, or it dithers the image. I have no idea what current bit-depth various TVs are using...confused.gif
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post #427 of 1406
9/21/12 at 6:52pm
Not sure whether the bit depth would have much to do with it as my Mits S-PVA panel is 8 bit and I believe that most all panels today would also be. Even some panel a few years back may have been 10 bit, but it was kind of academic because, as I understand it, anything over 8 bit could not be utilized in consumer grade TVs.But the bit rate may be an issue and overall response of both the panel and electronics driving it. Amazing how many variables there may be even in the same model/brand TV during any given production year. My 42" 2010 LG LCD had at least 2 main boards and 2 or 3 panel types used in it just for that model and year. So, who knows.

You could check look at the exact panel number of your TV inside or maybe the service menu and see what kind it is and look it up here if it has been posted:

http://www.panelook.com/
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post #428 of 1406
9/22/12 at 2:20pm
I posted yesterday:
Type: 32A6AF0D
the back of TV is printed - 'Version: 02'

Can any one confirm my panel is samsung?
And
that it is S-PVA

thanks


(Also my samsung Syncmaster keeps picking up my EH5300 remote when pressed, any way round that?)
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post #429 of 1406
9/22/12 at 2:41pm
I have the 37 inch eh5000 and love it. One grip i do have is sometimes in bright scenes like watching sports on like football sometimes it looks kinda hazy. I have the brightness at 35 and contrast all the way up at 100. Anyone else have any tips for this? Thanks..
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post #430 of 1406
9/22/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by giin View Post

I posted yesterday:
Type: 32A6AF0D
the back of TV is printed - 'Version: 02'
Can any one confirm my panel is samsung?
And
that it is S-PVA
thanks
(Also my samsung Syncmaster keeps picking up my EH5300 remote when pressed, any way round that?)

If the service menu says "A", it should be Samsung manufactured. It should have good horizontal viewing angles. If you really want to be sure it's S-PVA, you have to look at the pixels with a magnifying glass or zoom in with a camera.
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post #431 of 1406
9/23/12 at 11:47am
For some reason Movie mode just gives me a dirty feeling. The picture doesn't look as clean as it does in standard mode. It gives the picture kind of a hazy washed out look in some brighter areas like watching sports.
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post #432 of 1406
9/23/12 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by mbergh22 View Post

For some reason Movie mode just gives me a dirty feeling. The picture doesn't look as clean as it does in standard mode. It gives the picture kind of a hazy washed out look in some brighter areas like watching sports.

Agreed - it tones down alot of the settings. I get the best picture on standard mode with the following settings (I have an eh5000 46in connected to V+ cable box). I got to these using the HD Basics Bluray.

backlight 14
contrast 88
brightness 45
colour 40
sharpness 35 (could go much lower but I like it at this level - just at the point where the bright edges on the test pattern disappear.
colour temp warm1
film mode auto 1
hdmi black level low
colour space auto
white level - settings for my tv.
all other settings either off or auto (especially LED motion plus!)
Edited by lostremote - 9/23/12 at 1:55pm
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post #433 of 1406
9/24/12 at 11:48pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I noticed my UN46EH5000 has a slightly darker vertical band on the far left side that shows up in some program material (even without the camera panning). Is this normal?
I can see more vertical banding on gray flat field test patterns throughout the screen, but only this bit on the far left side shows up in real program material (the rest does appear at times with camera pans only).

I don't think I've noticed it, but I'm not quite sure what it looks like. Do you have a pic?
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post #434 of 1406
9/25/12 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I noticed my UN46EH5000 has a slightly darker vertical band on the far left side that shows up in some program material (even without the camera panning). Is this normal?
I can see more vertical banding on gray flat field test patterns throughout the screen, but only this bit on the far left side shows up in real program material (the rest does appear at times with camera pans only).

Normal. I went through three sets and they were all showing slightly darker vertical banding on the far left and right. I think it is way this set built.

Watch video review of this samsung tv. In the beginning, it clearly shows darker shadow banding on sky background.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un46eh6000/4505-6482_7-35159621.html
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post #435 of 1406
9/25/12 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I noticed my UN46EH5000 has a slightly darker vertical band on the far left side that shows up in some program material (even without the camera panning). Is this normal?
I can see more vertical banding on gray flat field test patterns throughout the screen, but only this bit on the far left side shows up in real program material (the rest does appear at times with camera pans only).

With grey test patterns vertical banding is clearly visable on my set, but across the screen rather than on one side. In normnal use it's never really a problem and I don't see banding, apart from occasionally seeing it with panning shots when watching football (this doesnt actually bother me as it's not that obvious to the eye). Don't notice it at all in gaming, even with FiFa 12!
Edited by lostremote - 9/25/12 at 10:04am
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post #436 of 1406
9/25/12 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by bananafi5h View Post

Normal. I went through three sets and they were all showing slightly darker vertical banding on the far left and right. I think it is way this set built.
Watch video review of this samsung tv. In the beginning, it clearly shows darker shadow banding on sky background.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un46eh6000/4505-6482_7-35159621.html

You can really see the banding on the opening shot - it is very obvious - I don't have anything like that. The review's for the eh6000, though there's probably not that much difference between this and the eh5000 series.
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post #437 of 1406
9/25/12 at 10:50am
Does anyone know what panel or panels the 37 inch eh5000 uses?
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post #438 of 1406
9/25/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Borvok View Post

Does anyone know what panel or panels the 37 inch eh5000 uses?

I've seen A-MVA and S-MVA on the 37 inch.
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Yeah, that video shows what I'm talking about exactly. I guess it's normal then.

I don't see that on mine. FYI the set CNET tested likely wasn't an S-PVA as they say it had poor off angle vieweing. But I can see it on the CNET pic there is some darkness on the left hand side, which is probably related to the backlights.
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post #439 of 1406
9/25/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I guess it's normal then.

I don't think it's 'normal' to see that - looks like a fault to me. I couldn't put up with such an obvious flaw in everyday viewing. As I said, my set has banding on a grey screen, but it's not visible when watching most content.
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post #440 of 1406
9/25/12 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

The weird thing is I didn't notice it until a few days ago and I got the set on the 14th. In any case, I'm exchanging it for a LN46D630 because of that set's much higher contrast ratio/deeper blacks and solid color/extensive picture settings. The darker band might not be as noticeable on my set as in the CNET video review, but it is still visible and somewhat distracting at times (with actual program material).

I think once you see it you keep seeing it and that's annoying. Hope you enjoy the d630.
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post #441 of 1406
9/25/12 at 1:34pm
What do people like better. Standard or Movie mode and why? Specially looking for the eh5000 model but anybody can answer.
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post #442 of 1406
9/25/12 at 1:51pm
I agree with the standard mode having too much blue. But for some scenes in movie mode it feels kinda washed out and looks kinda grayish.
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post #443 of 1406
9/25/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

yeah, hopefully I'll get a SQ01 with minimal uniformity issues (at least in terms of actual viewing versus test patterns and blank screens)... I'm surprised the D630 has been available for so long, given it is a 2011 model (though it looks like that window is closing soon).

Yes I imagine it is harder to find one. I have a 2010 46in c750 with SQ01 panel and it is fantastic. I can't help feeling that sometimes newer models don't necessarily mean better quality!! But I do think that for the price the eh5000 is great value.
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post #444 of 1406
9/25/12 at 6:46pm
anyone have a ps3 connected to any of the eh5000 sets? What are good ps3 settings if so.
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post #445 of 1406
9/25/12 at 11:50pm
Does anyone have a 5000 or 6000 series samsung tv, in particular with a s-pva panel, that does or does not have a noticable ghosting or smearing effect on dark objects when panning the camera in video games, this effect would be most noticable with brightness set anywhere from 0-50.
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post #446 of 1406
9/29/12 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I noticed a couple more interesting differences between "Standard" mode and "Movie" Mode.
  1. First, "Standard" has more color saturation (11 points more) - so "Movie" mode set to Color: 50 is equivalent to "Standard" mode Color: 39.
  2. Second, Standard mode has more contrast (6 points more), so "Movie" mode Contrast: 100 is equivalent to "Standard" mode Contrast: 94. This is extra contrast is OK though, because it still doesn't clip levels 234 or below when contrast (white point) is set to 100.
  3. The third difference I noticed is that "Standard" mode has some automatic backlight dimming when the picture is primarily filled with black. So during credits scenes and such, the backlight will dim a bit to give the perception of deeper blacks. I haven't seen a way to turn this off yet, but luckily the amount of backlight dimming is fairly subtle, and it only does it when the screen has a nearly all black image anyways. I think it's OK to use standard, but I would at least dial back the color a bit so it's more realistic (around 39 or so).
"Standard" and "Movie" mode can be made to look identical to each other, apart from the auto-backlight dimming.
Added this information to my post on Calibration


Is Standard mode color saturation 11 points higher or 12 points higher? Some posts state 11, others 12.

Thank you.
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post #447 of 1406
9/29/12 at 1:58pm
So what is better then YCbCr or RGB?
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post #448 of 1406
9/29/12 at 2:26pm
So i guess its whatever mode has the less cons lol.
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post #449 of 1406
9/29/12 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by kellybob View Post

Is Standard mode color saturation 11 points higher or 12 points higher? Some posts state 11, others 12.
Thank you.

I would try it on your set and see when they both clip the same test pattern. It seems like it was 12 for me initially, but after more calibrating it was at 11, probably because I mismatched the contrast or something.

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I've also seen Exxx for the EH4000 and Mxxx for the EH6000. Any idea what those might be?

I've haven't seen or heard of those before, not sure what they are. They might still be one of the other panels just made somewhere else (Like how Cxxx and Bxxx are both Chei Mei panels).

This thread might have info, but doubtful > http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-led-lcd-tvs/1113353-lcd-matrices-differences-what-models-placed.html
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post #450 of 1406
10/1/12 at 12:03am
Under the server menu there is a 120Hz option for SPECO or SEPCO was it, what is that for?
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