or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › The *OFFICIAL* 2012 Samsung EH4000/EH5000/EH5300 Owner's Thread...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The *OFFICIAL* 2012 Samsung EH4000/EH5000/EH5300 Owner's Thread... - Page 18

post #511 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by PogueSquadron View Post

The Target I was at only had the Sharp panel (this may have been their last one?), and the girls at the other Targets couldn't find the four character code on the box when I called. I suppose I could give them the benefit of the doubt - maybe they're not always on the boxes? They also said that they have all the same merchandise as the other Targets, but I don't think they really understood what I was trying to say. I could call them again after this storm is over and see if someone else can find a TS02 (and hopefully not get the same girl on the phone). If that doesn't work, I'm keeping this TV. If I can find any other stores around here that might have it (and can maybe price match), I'll give them a call. I don't think I'll have any luck though, because I can't even find this TV on Costco's website, and BJs seems to only carry the EH5050 at $20 more than what I got this TV for.
Target and Best Buy, I believe, are the only stores nearby with the 40EH5000 at $479, and the sale ends 11/3. There are no Best Buys near me that have this TV in store, so it was either get the Sharp model, or gamble and get the TV online....then risk having to send it back, and I don't really want to deal with all that. The picture still looks awesome. I'm very happy keeping this. For all I know, I could get one of the Samsung panels and then that one has something wrong with it or something. It's just too much of a gamble for me.
The firmware said that it would increase PQ - is that just something they can add on the press release or is that actually worth doing?

The labels should all be on the boxes.

The EH5050 should be the same set AFAIK. It's just the one they send to places like Costco, BJs and Sam's Club.

I actually made up a list of all the Targets, Walmarts, Best Buys, HHGreggs, etc that had the set and planned to drive around one day until I found one. I called the Best buys and HHGreggs and they didn't have any T panels so I went to some walmarts. The first walmart didn't have any but the second had a TS02 in the so I snagged it.

The Firmware won't improve the contrast ratio or black levels or raw motion handling. It can only change the software and some of the processing. I usually update the firmware for the heck of it.
post #512 of 2167
Code:
If I come across a TS02 panel before my 30 day return policy period is up, I'll grab it and do a side by side comparison. If not, I'm happy keeping this. It looked amazing while I watched a movie in my dark bedroom last night.


Edit: I've called about 4 or 5 Targets around here, and they all have the Sharp panel. It looks like they all likely have the same inventory. I'll try one more. The only other option would be to get in touch with BJs and see the Version number on the EH5050.

Edit2: I also called BJs about their EH5050, it's also HS03. I'm just going to stop now because I can tell I'm driving the girlfriend crazy. She thinks I'm sounding really ungrateful and that I'm never going to be happy with the TV situation. It's really not that. I just want to be thorough that I made the best purchas I could. Very happy with the TV.
Edited by PogueSquadron - 10/30/12 at 11:01am
post #513 of 2167
Sorry for the double post...but the girlfriend and I tried watching some Lion King Diamond Edition....looked AWFUL. Like, unwatchable. She no longer thinks I'm crazy. I showed her the viewing angle and she was like..."Yeah I think you need to take this back." I have to admit I was maybe in denial about this...I'm not exactly happy with the picture.

Seriously, lots of really awful blue ghosting in Lion King. I've done everything I know how to fix it. It looked like a blurry mess. I've looked at other posts and haven't figured out how to make that look any better. I've tried turning off 24p, tried turning it on, changing HDMI levels, changing input titles, etc....I feel like I've done everything.

I might take it back and pursue another option. Is every TV this bad with all of this panel lottery business? All I want is a nice 40-42" TV with good motion and good contrast frown.gif Is this TV really my best bet in the $500 range or can I check anything else out? I'm a little afraid that the LG TV's are going to be so light in the black level that I won't be able to deal with it. And the Sony's scare me with some of the viewing angles I've seen.....

Back to the drawing board, haha.

Edit: Sorry for yet another edit - Sears has a TSO2 model. This should probably make me happier? Will the TV be brighter/darker and have a better viewing angle? Games aren't going to look horrible? That's really all I ask smile.gif Now I'm reading that the blurring/ghosting will actually be worse? Can any gamers/animation watchers talk about this at all?
Edited by PogueSquadron - 10/31/12 at 9:32am
post #514 of 2167
@ PogueSquadron - Try to find a TS01 panel... like you said, EdgeLit panel have problems with "uniformity".. my old 32 bravia EX600 had very brighter corners on dark images... this is an example.. Try to find some Sony's reviews... IMO..

I have another question:

My 32eh5000 is positioned on a 95cm table (vertical wink.gif ).. When I watch a film sitting on chair, I have to stay in the perfect center of the screen with my head (110-112cm vertical).. If I don't do that. the lower part of the screen is a bit brighter than the upper part (very visible on Movies with black bands up/down)..

Is this normal???

I'm planning to keep it despite the problem of stuck/dead pixels..... but if this was another problem, I surelly return it to the store I bought it..


So sorry for my bad english.. is hard to explain myself on this particular topic :P
post #515 of 2167
Yeah I'm debating whether I should pick up the TS02 panel or skip this model altogether. I just need to be reassured that my games will look great on it, and that the contrast/viewing angle will be more with what I expected after reading reviews. People's comments on blurring/smearing is scaring me off a bit. Ok, a lot.
post #516 of 2167
Picking up now. Will post an update in a little bit.

Edit: looks better. Lion King still looks pretty ghosty but I'll have to deal with it. Viewing angle. WAY better.

Quick Q- the dynamic mode looks super bright -is there any way to make the other modes brighter?
Edited by PogueSquadron - 10/31/12 at 3:02pm
post #517 of 2167
Yep, I did that. Just had to wait until nighttime for it to really shine. Panel is practically perfect minus some motion issues (animation generally doesn't look good from what I've seen...the screen can't keep up with it). Other than that, nothing bad to say at all. Really glad I got the other panel.

Any ways to alleviate the ghosting at all?
post #518 of 2167
This is a pic of my 32EH5000 with a full black image...
Quality is not so much.. sorry about that..
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
img20121101101401.jpg[/URL]

In that case, vertical viewing angle seems not so good..
post #519 of 2167
Are you sure? I've been able to watch animation on my old TV with no problem, and it was 60hz. Maybe I'll have to take a closer look at it - maybe it's something I never noticed? Doesn't the 120hz just introduce the so called "soap opera effect" (which I'm not a fan of at all, especially since none of my content was made in 120hz)?
post #520 of 2167
I don't think I have anything on out of the ordinary. Right now my settings are:

Input: A/V Receiver

Mode: Movie
Backlight: 20
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 8
Color: 50
Tint: G46/R54

Color Space: Auto
White Balance: R-Gain at 5, G-Gain at 25, B-Gain at 5
Gamma: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Motion Lighting: (grayed out, Off)

Color Tone: Warm1
Size: 16:9
Digital Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: (grayed out, Normal)
Film Mode: (grayed out, Off)
LED Motion Plus: Off


I HAVE noticed that it doesn't seem as jarring when set to Dynamic. What is happening in the dynamic setting that would possibly make ghosting look less apparent? The cool color setting? The sharpness?

I know this isn't the greatest video in the world but I don't have a whole lot of time. Gives you an idea of what it looks like on Standard and Movie mode. It is actually more tolerable on Dynamic, but then I don't have a setting to warm up the color at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PK4U8o53i8&feature=plcp

It practically looks like it's showing every frame twice or something. Is it because of the lower framerate of animation that makes ghosting more apparent? In a game situation, where I have something moving at 60fps, it isn't nearly as noticeable. It's pretty disappointing that the only way to tolerate an animated movie on this thing is to change it to a video setting that I'm not a huge fan of.

Could this also be a setting in my Blu-Ray Player that I need to fix?
Edited by PogueSquadron - 11/1/12 at 2:03pm
post #521 of 2167
post #522 of 2167

I don't think so.

Just keep in mind if you buy online you have no control over what panel you will get, and returning is a huge pain.
post #523 of 2167
thanks. Im going to go to Target today and look for one. I'm looking for TSxx correct?
post #524 of 2167
thanks. Im going to go to Target today and look for one. I'm looking for TSxx correct?
post #525 of 2167
Honestly, I just wound up taking it back. To be honest I've been a bit in denial about this TV from the beginning. I think spending so much on it (my budget was originally much lower) was making me really pick this thing apart. I feel bad for hassling everyone here for questions and stuff, but I think I need to spend less when this is all said and done. I mean, i think I had a better time with my mom's 42" Insignia when it was in here (but moreso because it's so stupidly bright and a couple inches bigger than the TV I just had). I know that sounds really silly because of the difference in brand quality, but I think part of it had to do with borrowing a free TV vs. paying $500 of my own money on one. And I know I'll just be kicking myself in the next couple months as deals start to percolate.

I'm very sensitive to color (I'm an illustrator) and motion and all that, but with this, I think I'm going to look for something closer to $300 when deals start hitting and getting something a little bigger and brighter. Thank you all for your advice though. In the end, this TV was just not blowing me away like I was hoping it would.
post #526 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by redmat99 View Post

This is a pic of my 32EH5000 with a full black image...
Quality is not so much.. sorry about that..
img20121101101401.jpg
In that case, vertical viewing angle seems not so good..

no one has seen my previous post.. biggrin.gif so I bump up it.. don't hate me guys...

I only want to know if my screen has problems... lights is coming from the lower part of the display.. but I don't know if it is a normal beahviour of this set..
Edited by redmat99 - 11/2/12 at 7:38am
post #527 of 2167
Just wanted to share my experience. The moral of the story is that the four digit code on the outside of the box (TS01, e.g.) may not always indicate the panel type.

I picked up the 37" 5000 series at Best Buy the other day. On the box is said "AS01", but when I went into the service menu my code was "37P6AFOD", which is clearly the ChiMei panel.

I then did an incredibly boneheaded thing and downloaded the newest firmare from Samsung's support page. The version is from Jun 2012 and numbered 1012.3. I went to upgrade and the TV said "Are you sure you want to UPGRADE from 1017.1 to 1012.3?". I wasn't thinking and hit OK. Woops! Well, I called Samsung support and they were NO help at all. The woman actually was confused when I suggested they email me 1017.1 as an attachment.

So I returned that set, since I didn't really want the ChiMei panel anyway. This morning I found a WalMart with the 40" 5000 series in stock, with TS02 on the box. Obviously, I'm going to check the true panel code when I get it home and hook it up.

Currently, the 37" model goes for about $499. The 40" model goes for about $479. That's a no-brainer! I guess the 37" truly isn't very popular.

Chris
post #528 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by redmat99 View Post

no one has seen my previous post.. biggrin.gif so I bump up it.. don't hate me guys...
I only want to know if my screen has problems... lights is coming from the lower part of the display.. but I don't know if it is a normal beahviour of this set..
You won't find better uniformity from an LED lit LCD TV.
post #529 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12none View Post

You won't find better uniformity from an LED lit LCD TV.

I knows it.. in fact I take this Tv for FullArreyLed biggrin.gif my "old" Sony 32EX600 had a lot of uniuformity issues..
but I want to know if all eh5000-eh5300 models are like my 32''.. I have some stuck pixels and I'm thinking to return it.. but like Chicolom said, "it's a huge pain", and I will do that only if necessary...

I can close an eye for those pixels (that I can't see during normal usage) but I notice a lot this "brighter bar" in the lower part of the display because I use it mainly during night without any artificial lights...
So... this effect is always there biggrin.gif

I have to send it back no later than monday ... until then, I'm trying to do some tests to take the right decision smile.gif

PS.. the photo was taken with "PC" mode..
post #530 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

FYI, they don't make Samsung S-PVA panels in the 37" or 39" sizes (only 32", 40", 46" and possibly higher).

Yeah, I should've read this thread BEFORE I started running around to stores and buying things. wink.gif

So, I just came back from another Walmart where they had a UN40EH5300, version TH01 on the side of the box. Bought that too. Now I have 2 40" TVs in the back of my car (40EH5000 TS02 and 40EH5300 TH01) biggrin.gif I'm gonna get them home, check their panel versions and then decide if the SmartTV features are worth paying an extra $120. Do people have opinions on this? Is it worth $120 more for the SmartTV features?
Edited by fatherom - 11/2/12 at 10:48am
post #531 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I'd pick the one with better PQ, assuming they are not identical in that respect.

Yeah, I have a ton of outboard devices (roku, etc) so the SmartTV stuff is not as critical. But I definitely could see myself using the wireless streaming of media files within my home network.
post #532 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by redmat99 View Post

I knows it.. in fact I take this Tv for FullArreyLed biggrin.gif my "old" Sony 32EX600 had a lot of uniuformity issues..
but I want to know if all eh5000-eh5300 models are like my 32''.. I have some stuck pixels and I'm thinking to return it.. but like Chicolom said, "it's a huge pain", and I will do that only if necessary...
I can close an eye for those pixels (that I can't see during normal usage) but I notice a lot this "brighter bar" in the lower part of the display because I use it mainly during night without any artificial lights...
So... this effect is always there biggrin.gif
I have to send it back no later than monday ... until then, I'm trying to do some tests to take the right decision smile.gif
PS.. the photo was taken with "PC" mode..

If you're looking at it dead center and the bottom is brighter, maybe something is off. It should look even from dead center. If your above center and looking slightly down it may lighten a bit.
post #533 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I'd pick the one with better PQ, assuming they are not identical in that respect.

So here's a question. I have a 4 year old and a 1 year old, so I only get a couple of hours after they go to bed to muck with this stuff. What quick, objective tests can I do to compare the two displays and evaluate their PQ?
post #534 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

If you're looking at it dead center and the bottom is brighter, maybe something is off.

I have to go a bit down the dead center to decrease the effect.. using other sources, things change because all the other visual settings are available... but not so much..
post #535 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

the motion issues are tied to the 60Hz refresh rate... the 120Hz EH6000 does much better in this area and the 120Hz (3D) EH6030 is almost perfect in this area (I know because I've had all three)

The 6000 series maybe better for motion, but it's certainly not perfect. I sent back a 6030 because its PQ was poor in comparison to the eh5000.
post #536 of 2167
chicolom, i really appreciate your help in this thread, especially with settings (since i also have 46" S-PVA), which I am also using so that I have a uniform experience when going from PC to Movie Mode. noticed you said you got game mode to look similarly nice. any chance you might be able to share the settings you used? im using it with a 360 and have been just using movie mode since it looks decent and the input lag test seemed pretty inconclusive about if game mode was even effective for reducing it. thanks again either way for all the helpful information you've posted here.
Edited by qdizzle - 11/3/12 at 8:02pm
post #537 of 2167
I was getting ready to buy this TV soon until I saw roguesquadron post that lion king video on youtube with all of the bad blurring. I watch A LOT of animated shows and this would be unbearable for me. Does anyone else who has this tv experienced that blurring issue, or did roguesquadron just get a bad tv?
post #538 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

So here's a question. I have a 4 year old and a 1 year old, so I only get a couple of hours after they go to bed to muck with this stuff. What quick, objective tests can I do to compare the two displays and evaluate their PQ?

I would put up some images like test patterns on each and look at the viewing angles, black levels, uniformity, etc.
post #539 of 2167
Quote:
Originally Posted by qdizzle View Post

chicolom, i really appreciate your help in this thread, especially with settings (since i also have 46" S-PVA), which I am also using so that I have a uniform experience when going from PC to Movie Mode. noticed you said you got game mode to look similarly nice. any chance you might be able to share the settings you used? im using it with a 360 and have been just using movie mode since it looks decent and the input lag test seemed pretty inconclusive about if game mode was even effective for reducing it. thanks again either way for all the helpful information you've posted here.

Your welcome! smile.gif

If you want to use game mode, it's essentially identical to Standard. The settings I currently use are in my sig.

Just look at the asterisks * to see where the settings diverge from "Movie" mode, then look at the value for "Standard" mode. That will be the same setting to use for Game mode. I have it setup so that Standard Mode, Gaming Mode (just an extra Standard mode), Movie Mode, and "PC" mode all give the same image.

Let me know if that helps.
post #540 of 2167
img20121102220223.jpg

This is final test I do last night... It seems to have a little problem in the lower-left part of the display... Tomorrow I will return it for another 32eh5000...
Hoping that the next has the same SPVA panel.. this is my only doubt now..
Edited by redmat99 - 11/4/12 at 8:08am
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › The *OFFICIAL* 2012 Samsung EH4000/EH5000/EH5300 Owner's Thread...