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post #691 of 1475
12/3/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Nominee View Post

Hi all,
I tried reading/searching through this whole thread, but can't seem to find my answers:
  1. How do you check what panel it is?
  2. Which one is the best?
I'm about to purchase UN46EH5000FXZC and wondering what I should check for.
Thanks in advance.


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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I've been trying to find this out myself. Here is what I've found out by googling.
IPS panels are popular for monitors where accuracy is important for things like photo editing. Samsung doesn't use IPS panels, but Panasonic and LG do. Samsung uses VA types, along with Sony and Toshiba. In order of contrast ratios for VA panels (lower number being better) it goes:

1. S-PVA
2. UV2A (U-MVA)
3. S-MVA
4. A-MVA

S-PVA is usually preferable, although it can have slower pixel response than some other panel types.

For the EH line, the 32", 40", and 46" inch come in S-PVA (Samsung), S-MVA, and A-MVA types - the latter two being made by Chei Mei and AUO. I know the 37 inch EH uses only AUO or Chei Mei panels as Samsung and Sony's joint S-PVA panel supplier, S-LCD, doesn't manufacture panels in that size. Same for the 39 inch UN39EH5003. Either the 50" or 55" also tends to use Chei Mei,can't remember which one...

If you can find a "Version" number that can help. It's usually a four digit code, on a sticker on the side of the TV.
Anything starting with Cxxx or Bxxx is Chei Mei. Hxxx is a Sharp panel. In the past, samsung has used SQxx, SSxx, and SXxx to label their own S-PVA panels. These were called version "S" panels, and are also sometimes indicated by a Large "S" to the right of the label. Version "A" panels, were made by AUO, and have the labels ACxx, AAxx, and BAxx.
Samsung currently seems to be using Txxx to label their own S-PVA panels. TS0x and TH0x have both been tested via the service menu and indicate Samsung panels.

>>>> So going off of labels Cxxx/Bxxx = Chei Mei, Axxx = AUO Optronics, Hxxx = Sharp, and Txxx = Samsung S-LCD.

Probably the best way to find out the panel is to get into the TV's service menu.

[ Note: Entering the service menu will reset the TV settings to factory default !! ]

To enter the service menu:
(TV in Standby Mode)
Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power (in rapid succession).
(Non-US versions, Press info-menu-mute-power)
Look under "Option" or "Type".
Search for your model's "inch number", and look at the letter immediately following the "inch number"

A:Samsung
H:Sharp
P:CMI (chimei)
R:AUO (au optronics)

So a UN40EH5000 with a samsung panel, would like this: 40A6AF0D

Exit with power off on remote.

1) Some reading on Service Menu information...
2)...and a bit more here
Here are some pics of Samsung labels, and the service menu:

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post #692 of 1475
12/3/12 at 12:42pm
LOl - I was just about to reply that i found your wonderful post smile.gif

I have a TS02 - on the box, didn't open yet to verify.

....so..from my reading of various threads...it seems the TS01 and TS02 are the desire panels.

Any feedback on which is better between those two?
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post #693 of 1475
12/3/12 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Nominee View Post

Any feedback on which is better between those two?

I wouldn't worry about it. It's a Samsung panel, and it's not worth the trouble to buy multiple Samsung panels to compare to each other.
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post #694 of 1475
12/3/12 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by johndoejohndoes View Post

Dang...I'm starting to realize the screen definitely blurs when there's movement. And after reading this thread it seems like a pretty common complaint. Would upgrading to the same model with 120hz refresh rate really help? I don't want soap opera effects so wouldn't the 120hz be useless? I've got 20 more days to return this thing so any recommendations are welcome.

Oh Noes! LCDs have motion blur!

Seriously though, blur is not a defect. It's a byproduct of the technology (slow response time + sample-and-hold frames).

However, 120hz frame interpolation may reduce the blur affect from sample-and-hold, as more frames means less time for each individual frame to burn into the retina. That means you have to use AMP to a degree to introduce those new frakmes, but perhaps not to the point it causes SoE. I don't think having it and leaving it off will help anything, as I think it should just behave like a 60hz panel then.

FYI AMP should increase input lag, which may be a factor for gaming.

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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

From what I've noticed you either get a panel that blurs/jitters a lot or a panel that clearly shows ghosting but minimal blur or even close to no blurring when its panning quite fast. There is a reason why these sets are pretty cheap compared to the higher end model or even the previous models.

Are you saying the motion is inferior to older sets, and if so what is the reason?

Everyone is free to buy flagship LCDs or a Plasma if it bothers you, although even they still aren't perfect sets.
Edited by chicolom - 12/3/12 at 3:54pm
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post #695 of 1475
12/3/12 at 7:45pm
What type of cable does the stereo audio output require? I bought a 3.5mm but it's very loose when plugged in and causes a loud buzzing from my external speakers because of the poor connection.
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post #696 of 1475
12/3/12 at 8:05pm
Hi, I'm new here and my girlfriend got a UN40D5003BF for christmas last year and I was very impressed with the picture and unnoticeable input lag for gaming especially when using the hdmi/dvi port.

I want to get a new tv for christmas and was wondering if the UN39EH5003FXZA would be a good choice. I'm a big gamer and input lag is a big dealbreaker for me, do you think this model would be the same as the UN40D5003BF in terms of the input lag?
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post #697 of 1475
12/3/12 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by ImPraxis View Post

Hi, I'm new here and my girlfriend got a UN40D5003BF for christmas last year and I was very impressed with the picture and unnoticeable input lag for gaming especially when using the hdmi/dvi port.
I want to get a new tv for christmas and was wondering if the UN39EH5003FXZA would be a good choice. I'm a big gamer and input lag is a big dealbreaker for me, do you think this model would be the same as the UN40D5003BF in terms of the input lag?

I have a UN40EH5000 and the iput lag is fairly low and is perfectly acceptable for gaming IMO.

FYI, if you want a set with a Samsung panel, you need to spring for the 40" model, because the 39" doesn't use samsung panels (they don't make them in that size)
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post #698 of 1475
12/3/12 at 8:47pm
I finally received my TV today from B & H. It's version is HH02. So it's a sharp panel. I couldn't find any information about this version on the thread. I guess it's not the best panel but not the worst either.
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post #699 of 1475
12/3/12 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I have a UN40EH5000 and the iput lag is fairly low and is perfectly acceptable for gaming IMO.
FYI, if you want a set with a Samsung panel, you need to spring for the 40" model, because the 39" doesn't use samsung panels (they don't make them in that size)
What panels do they use?
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post #700 of 1475
12/3/12 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I wouldn't worry about it. It's a Samsung panel, and it's not worth the trouble to buy multiple Samsung panels to compare to each other.

Thanks again chicolom,

One last question, since you also have a TS02 panel - I noticed you posted numbers with respect to lag times, I think you posted around 2ms. Do you notice any blur or rainbow effects with your TV?
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post #701 of 1475
12/3/12 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by ImPraxis View Post

What panels do they use?

They use Chi Mei S-MVA for sure, possibly AU Optronics A-MVA as well.

Check out the link in my sig.
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post #702 of 1475
12/3/12 at 10:49pm
Hdtv newbie looking at sets here. Looking for something basic but decent for ~$500. Currently considering the UN37EH5000 but noticed Best Buy has the 39EH5003 listed for $100 less so I'm wondering what the difference is? Other than the size they seem the same. I know both use the cheaper panels so would it be smarter to just drop down a size for the 32EH5000 or 5300F to avoid the chi mei panels?
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post #703 of 1475
12/3/12 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by Nominee View Post

Thanks again chicolom,
One last question, since you also have a TS02 panel - I noticed you posted numbers with respect to lag times, I think you posted around 2ms. Do you notice any blur or rainbow effects with your TV?

If I posted 2ms that had to be a fluke eek.gif The numbers I posted were about the input lag, which is unrelated to motion blur. Input lag is the time in between when the source is received and when it is actually displayed by the TV. My conclusion was that it averaged 16-33ms, which is equivalent to 1-2 frames. This is an acceptable level for gaming.

I don't really have any complaints about the blur. I was realistic about what to expect for this type of display, and it is is a clear improvement over my previous TV - so I'm happy with it.

I'm not sure what you mean by rainbow effect, because that was mainly a problem with DLP projection TVs.
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post #704 of 1475
12/3/12 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post


Are you saying the motion is inferior to older sets, and if so what is the reason?
Everyone is free to buy flagship LCDs or a Plasma if it bothers you, although even they still aren't perfect sets.

I have an older set 32D5000, its motion is better compared to the 32EH5000 especially in horizontal scrolling text or information tickers but other than that the 32EH5000 is better in blacks (far superior) and great screen uniformity aside from the banding bars you can see in certain shades of colors.

Despite that I am extremely happy with this TV set for my PC monitor, my older TN panel handles motion really well but the everything else in this set is miles apart from my old TN monitor.
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post #705 of 1475
12/4/12 at 9:19am
I just returned it and got the 42 inch Sony (Bravia) KDL42EX440 and it cost me $528 at Sams Club. It's exactly what I hoped for in a TV.
If there is a downside it's the edge lit LED on dark scenes but I'd rather deal with that then blurring. It's a normals kinds of "blur" (if there is one) when watching the Sony...the Samsung literally felt like a ghost was walking across the screen...maybe it was defective? I don't know. But I'm happy with my purchase.
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post #706 of 1475
12/4/12 at 9:21am
If you have a Sam's Membership this is $528 there.

http://store.sony.com/p/42-inch-HDTV,-Sony-TV,-LED-TV,-EX440,-EX-Series,-Sony-BRAVIA/en/p/KDL42EX440
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post #707 of 1475
12/4/12 at 9:47am
I have a model UN40EH5000 with an HS03 panel (Sharp). I am pretty fussy and in truth I have no issues with this model and the Sharp panel. The image quality in HD from Dish or BluRay is terrific. I also have a 37" LG 37LD450 lcd which is no slouch for video image quality and the UN40EH5000 blows it away. If I were to be critical I think the 'Clear motion 120' feature is baloney. Activating that feature merely darkens the screen to no benefit that is obvious to me. Re screen blurring during fast images etc.. really not a problem for me. I find it fairly comparable to my LG which is also 60HZ but with a 4 ms response time on it's panel. Seems pretty comparable.

All in all I am very happy with my TV.
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post #708 of 1475
12/5/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by rcd765 View Post

I had the same with my 50EH5000 BUT I found the trick is to turn OFF the LED motion plus and the Motion Lighting, and turn down sharpness and color. I'm using standard mode and close to Chicolom settings but I found you really have to keep adjusting until you find something that is not too bright while preventing blur. Not sure why Samsung has the LED motion plus on these panels. I'll post my setting later.
I ended up with a "CH01" panel and quality seems good but then I haven't seen a "TS01" panel.

Here are my settings with a 50EH5000 "CH01" panel. The S-MVA panels will have faster response times using less brightness so I keep my brightness on fairly low (TV is in basement). Also I found that the more "processing" that is turned off the better for OTA TV. Blueray playback is great, no blur. All-in-all I think my Panasonic Plasma outperforms the picture quality of LCD/LED, I think the market is being blind sided by the 100watt saving of LEDs. We could just turn off a couple of lights around the house and save the same smile.gif

Picture
Mode: Standard
Backlight: 14
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 40
Sharpness: 20
Color: 40
Tint: G50/R50

Advanced Settings
Color Space: Native
White Balance: -
Gamma: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Motion Lighting: Off

Picture Options
Color Tone: cool
Size: 16:9
Digital Noise Filter: Auto
HDMI Black Level: Off
Film Mode: Auto
LED Motion Plus: Off
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post #709 of 1475
12/5/12 at 2:28pm
I'm considering replacing my new PN43E450 with a UN46EH5300 that is available from several local stores at a great price.

The plasma gives me eyestrain which is not a problem with either my 8-year old Hitachi 55 " 720P in the family room or my equally old 32" Hitachi 720P LCD. The TV is about 9 feet or so from the front of the TV to my viewing position.

I've tried everything in settings to eliminate the problem and am now running the TV for many hours a day to burn it in. It's getting better but I'm dealing with a 30 day return window.

What would I gain and what would I lose and would I be satisfied with the switch from plasma to LED?

Is the problem that the TV is too big for my viewing distance and if so should I go to the 40"?

Thank you.
Edited by iraweiss - 12/6/12 at 12:07pm
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post #710 of 1475
12/5/12 at 7:22pm
So, if I am to use my UN40EH5003 for gaming, should I plug the HDMI cable into the first slot and rename the input to PC for the least amount of input lag?
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post #711 of 1475
12/5/12 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by ImPraxis View Post

So, if I am to use my UN40EH5003 for gaming, should I plug the HDMI cable into the first slot and rename the input to PC for the least amount of input lag?

I don't think it affects the input lag, but you can try it out.
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post #712 of 1475
12/6/12 at 12:31am
Can you use a Bluetooth headset with the UN**EH5300? Will it work 20 feet away?

Has anybody tried RVU with the UN**EH5300 (and DirecTV)?

Will the set turn itself off automatically after a certain period of time, like an hour?

(This is destined for the bedroom.)
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post #713 of 1475
12/6/12 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I don't think it affects the input lag, but you can try it out.
Also, you said the 39 inch uses a different panel than the 40 inch? Should I just get the 40 inch? Are the panels better?

Also, what is the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz? Would it be worth the extra 50 dollars to get 120Hz if I'm going to be mostly gaming on this Tv?
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post #714 of 1475
12/6/12 at 11:40am
I recently purchased a 39" un39eh5003.

Can anyone hook me up with Calibration settings, you guys seem to know a lot more than me about this stuff, and I can't seem to get the picture just right!

Thank You
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post #715 of 1475
12/6/12 at 12:10pm
for what it's worth I think the panel type,Sharp HS03, that seems to be used quite a bit in the UN40EH5000 is an MVA type (Wikipedia referenced the MVA type as used by Sharp in LED panels). Though not Samsung panels I do not think they are by any means an inferior product.

http://www.sharp-world.com/kameyama/feature/plant2/index.html
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post #716 of 1475
12/6/12 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by ImPraxis View Post

Also, you said the 39 inch uses a different panel than the 40 inch? Should I just get the 40 inch? Are the panels better?
Also, what is the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz? Would it be worth the extra 50 dollars to get 120Hz if I'm going to be mostly gaming on this Tv?

If you want more choices over which panel you want, I would get the 40". The consensus leans towards the samsung panels performing the best overall, doing a little better with black levels, contrast, and viewing angles.

The 120hz EH6000 has Auto Motion Plus, which is frame interpolation processing. If set too high it can cause "soap opera effect" where things looks naturally smooth, but it may help if set conservatively. Some people like the effect and some don't. I would assume it also increases the input lag (not good for gaming), but I'm not sure. I don't have a lot of experience with it so I can't comment too much on it.
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post #717 of 1475
12/7/12 at 8:37am
I dont see why anyone would want the frame interpolation in gaming as the console/pc will output 30 or 60fps which is jitter free in most cases.

The TV has a 24Hz option when connected to the PC im wondering if it can really play back at 24p
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post #718 of 1475
12/7/12 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by dan9124 View Post

What type of cable does the stereo audio output require? I bought a 3.5mm but it's very loose when plugged in and causes a loud buzzing from my external speakers because of the poor connection.

Anybody? I'm really at a loss with this audio input. It doesn't look like any other coax audio input I've ever seen.
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post #719 of 1475
12/7/12 at 5:33pm
Ended up picking up UN46EH5300 at Meijer for a great price on a closeout item. Was missing power cord so I went back and got the one from the floor model. Everything else was there. Registered product with no problem. Panel was a TH02 so hopefully I got a good one.

Adjusted it to look close to a Samsung Plasma. Colors are good but not quite as saturated. Will let it burn in a bit and then look at what others have used for TH panel. Dark Knight Rises looked fantastic.

Did your Samsung come with a cleaning cloth and a Skype manual?

Speaking of cleaning cloths, contacted Samsung and asked them to send me one. Their e-mail reply was to go back to my dealer. Why not just send one out rather than have my dealer 20 miles away ask them for one?
Edited by iraweiss - 12/8/12 at 7:58pm
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post #720 of 1475
12/8/12 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by dan9124 View Post

Anybody? I'm really at a loss with this audio input. It doesn't look like any other coax audio input I've ever seen.

I have a 3.5mm coaxial here and it fits perfectly and very snug.. maybe you got a different sized connector?
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