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post #931 of 1413
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

that being said, there are good reasons to get a 6 series Samsung LED over a 5 series one (a lot less blurring/ghosting)

oh damn, we just bought 40eh5300 like 4 weeks ago, should have bought series 6

~ also, sometimes my downloaded apps deleted automatically, and after like 20 seconds on the Smart TV page, the TV says "need to be updated"

why it deletes my apps and installs again? its like 29 apps.
post #932 of 1413
Wow, tons of info Chicolom! Thank you, this is very helpful. smile.gif

I'll be honest; I've never heard of bias lighting. I just assumed people were installing lights behind their screens for purely aesthetic reasons. But the benefits definitely sound very useful. I'll have to consider it. My only concern would be my setup. I have an entertainment center that I'll be putting the TV in. The opening is 38" wide; the UN40 is 36.5" wide. The entertainment center is deep enough to hold a typical CRT. Behind that is mostly open with the white wall behind; however there's tons of cables hanging in that space from game systems, speaker wires, etc. Would such an enclosed space with a cluttered wall still benefit from the bias lighting? Also, wouldn't using different colors affect the onscreen image? I suppose it could be good if it complemented the image(say blue for nightime stuff or winter scenes), but couldn't it adversely affect the image by creating harsh contrast (red wouldn't fit well with the same winter scene... unless it was a zombie winter scene!).

That's nice that you can tweak the backlight setting without needing to readjust everything else; could be quite a pain otherwise. Thanks for the breakdown of which setting goes best with what application. I like your idea of using the auto-dimming for enhancing quick dark-to-light changes. Does it ever get to the point where the novelty of it wears off and you feel the need to game in Move mode? Or is it subtle enough to not get annoying?
Edited by Vader2000 - 1/24/13 at 11:34am
post #933 of 1413
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Originally Posted by hell911 View Post

oh damn, we just bought 40eh5300 like 4 weeks ago, should have bought series 6

~ also, sometimes my downloaded apps deleted automatically, and after like 20 seconds on the Smart TV page, the TV says "need to be updated"

why it deletes my apps and installs again? its like 29 apps.

I first got the UN46EH5000 (panel version TS02) and noticed that it had a fair bit of blurring and ghosting, especially with sources like HD console games, Streaming Netflix, and HD Cable. BD movies weren't too bad, though.

I then returned it for a UN46EH6000 (also panel version TS02) and it handled motion much better with far less blur and ghosting with AMP set to Clear for everything but BD movies (and AMP set to Custom: Blur Reduction 10/10 and Judder Reduction 0/10 for BD movies). It was much better with the sources mentioned above, though HD console games still left something to be desired.

Finally, I returned it for the UN46EH6030 (panel version TS01) I have now and decided to keep. It doesn't have AMP, so no frame interpolation is being applied, but it does have virtually no blur or ghosting for a LED/LCD panel and has the clearest, cleanest picture of the three, regardless of whether the source material is HD console games, Netflix Streaming, HD Cable, or BD movies. Also, it handles 24fps sources (movies) without 2:3 pulldown, which makes motion in movies look more natural/smooth in a non SOE way (the EH6000 also did this correctly with AMP set to Custom: Blur Reduction 10/10 and Judder Reduction 0/10).
post #934 of 1413
Thinking of getting a UN39EH5003 next month, should I re-consider and wait for Samsung 2013 models to roll out in March/April?

What are the chances of Samsung refreshing the EH5000/6000 series in 2013 with Direct-Lit LED back lighting?
post #935 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Vader2000 View Post

Wow, tons of info Chicolom! Thank you, this is very helpful. smile.gif

I'll be honest; I've never heard of bias lighting. I just assumed people were installing lights behind their screens for purely aesthetic reasons. But the benefits definitely sound very useful. I'll have to consider it. My only concern would be my setup. I have an entertainment center that I'll be putting the TV in. The opening is 38" wide; the UN40 is 36.5" wide. The entertainment center is deep enough to hold a typical CRT. Behind that is mostly open with the white wall behind; however there's tons of cables hanging in that space from game systems, speaker wires, etc. Would such an enclosed space with a cluttered wall still benefit from the bias lighting? Also, wouldn't using different colors affect the onscreen image? I suppose it could be good if it complemented the image(say blue for nightime stuff or winter scenes), but couldn't it adversely affect the image by creating harsh contrast (red wouldn't fit well with the same winter scene... unless it was a zombie winter scene!).

That's nice that you can tweak the backlight setting without needing to readjust everything else; could be quite a pain otherwise. Thanks for the breakdown of which setting goes best with what application. I like your idea of using the auto-dimming for enhancing quick dark-to-light changes. Does it ever get to the point where the novelty of it wears off and you feel the need to game in Move mode? Or is it subtle enough to not get annoying?

Bias lighting needs to shine light at a wall and have the wall act as a diffuser to spread the light, so it might not work too well in an entertainment center : \

Changing the color of the bias lighting to match the color of the scene can be effective because it makes the image appear like it stretches beyond the borders of the TV frame. Like setting the light color to white or light blue for snow/winter, green for grass/forest, etc.

Ambilight is a term for when the bias light automatically changes colors to match whats on the screen. It's actually a term coined by Phillips, as they use it on some of their TVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HBx9j64KcUg#t=134s

You can make your own DIY ambilight system, but it only works on video run through your PC AFAIK, and it won't help for consoles, BD players, etc.
http://amblone.com/demo
http://www.ambilight4pc.com/

Mine can only do manual colors from a remote, but I might look into a DIY ambilight setup in the future. I would like it to work for consoles though, and I'm not sure if there any way to do that.


I think the auto backlight dimming is subtle enough that you don't notice it too much. It's a little more obvious in movies then in games, since you don't have control over the shots/camera like in games.

You only need to use it in dim lighting at night. Turning it on during the day or brighter lighting is pointless as your eyes can't even see the blacks getting any deeper.
But I pretty much leave it on all the time for games. TV and movies it depends on what I'm watching and when I'm watching it.
post #936 of 1413
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I would like it to work for consoles though, and I'm not sure if there any way to do that.

Here's an idea: put three photosensors (one per primary colour) to view the screen, and use them to control your ambient field. Then they will respond to anything on the screen, not just what you can process on a PC.
post #937 of 1413
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Bias lighting needs to shine light at a wall and have the wall act as a diffuser to spread the light, so it might not work too well in an entertainment center : \

Bummer, had a feeling that would be the case. Oh well, a future upgrade to shoot for.

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Changing the color of the bias lighting to match the color of the scene can be effective because it makes the image appear like it stretches beyond the borders of the TV frame. Like setting the light color to white or light blue for snow/winter, green for grass/forest, etc.

Ambilight is a term for when the bias light automatically changes colors to match whats on the screen. It's actually a term coined by Phillips, as they use it on some of their TVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HBx9j64KcUg#t=134s

Cool, I figured complementary colors would provide the greatest benefit. With yours, do you just pick a color that'll work best with the content you've chosen and stick with it for that session, or do you tend to adjust it at various times during watching/playing?

Ooh, that's cool. Having it change automatically in real-time is a pretty neat concept.

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You can make your own DIY ambilight system, but it only works on video run through your PC AFAIK, and it won't help for consoles, BD players, etc.
http://amblone.com/demo
http://www.ambilight4pc.com/

Mine can only do manual colors from a remote, but I might look into a DIY ambilight setup in the future. I would like it to work for consoles though, and I'm not sure if there any way to do that.

What about a video splitter (assuming HDMI splitters exist)? You could then simultaneously feed the signal to the PC for the software that analyzes the image and runs the lights.
post #938 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Vader2000 View Post

What about a video splitter (assuming HDMI splitters exist)? You could then simultaneously feed the signal to the PC for the software that analyzes the image and runs the lights.

Never mind an HDMI splitter - do PC HDMI inputs exist?
post #939 of 1413
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Originally Posted by crashbot View Post

Never mind an HDMI splitter - do PC HDMI inputs exist?

Oh duh, didn't think of that; HDMI on PC's is usually output, not input. Oh well, there goes my idea.
post #940 of 1413
I wonder if you could run the HDMI output into a capture card then send it to a computer and have the computer analyze the image somehow and control the LEDs...

I dunno. :\
Edited by chicolom - 1/25/13 at 7:01pm
post #941 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Vader2000 View Post


Cool, I figured complementary colors would provide the greatest benefit. With yours, do you just pick a color that'll work best with the content you've chosen and stick with it for that session, or do you tend to adjust it at various times during watching/playing?

I either leave it white or I switch it to a color if I'm playing a game and am on a level that's biased towards one color, like snow/light blue, jungle/green, etc.

I'll have to look into some kind of ambilight setup for consoles...
post #942 of 1413
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I either leave it white or I switch it to a color if I'm playing a game and am on a level that's biased towards one color, like snow/light blue, jungle/green, etc.

I'll have to look into some kind of ambilight setup for consoles...

Use a sound/music led controller for games, it's amazing when games action/shooting/explosions etc. sounds in sync with color flashing, if adds the 4d dimension.


sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFx1fMredc
post #943 of 1413
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I either leave it white or I switch it to a color if I'm playing a game and am on a level that's biased towards one color, like snow/light blue, jungle/green, etc.

I'll have to look into some kind of ambilight setup for consoles...

I have the same TV and I wonder why did you put the led strips on the side of the TV? I got a led strip of 1,5 meter lying around and I wonder how I should install it. Around the top + sides or around the underside + sides?
post #944 of 1413
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

Use a sound/music led controller for games, it's amazing when games action/shooting/explosions etc. sounds in sync with color flashing, if adds the 4d dimension.


sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFx1fMredc

That just looks like it flashes in a pattern in sync to the audio. Not the same as an "ambilight" which matches colors to what's happening on the screen.

Those lights on the side look seizure-inducing tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by mcavlerb View Post

I have the same TV and I wonder why did you put the led strips on the side of the TV? I got a led strip of 1,5 meter lying around and I wonder how I should install it. Around the top + sides or around the underside + sides?

I think people usually do the sides + top if they have three pieces and just the sides if they have 2.
post #945 of 1413
bias lighting and "ambilight" seem to be quite different in the sense bias lighting is always pure white (D65 and 6500K to be exact), whereas the latter seems more like a cool lighting effect than something based on science (it does look pretty impressive, though, from a subjective viewpoint)
post #946 of 1413
Just noticed a black spot on my tv. Never seen it before but now I see it there all the time. Should I be worried?
post #947 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Googashlak View Post

Just noticed a black spot on my tv. Never seen it before but now I see it there all the time. Should I be worried?

It sounds like it has to be pretty minor if you didn't see it before. Do you see it all the time now because you are always looking for it?

It might be a dead pixel, but it's hard to tell without more details or a picture.
post #948 of 1413
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

It sounds like it has to be pretty minor if you didn't see it before. Do you see it all the time now because you are always looking for it?

It might be a dead pixel, but it's hard to tell without more details or a picture.

Yeah cause it's noticeable on light colored backgrounds. It's a dim part of the screen the size of a dime.
post #949 of 1413
That sounds significant, possibly one of the backlight sections has failed. Warranty return.
post #950 of 1413
Just what I thought. Dead LED.
post #951 of 1413
I plan on getting a UN39EH5003 or a UN40EH5000 in the coming month.

Any advantages to getting a UN40EH5000 over the EH395003 other than the obvious 1.5" screen size difference (don't care actually want it smaller 37"), optical audio out (don't care again, bedroom TV audio should be fine) and Samsung panel lottery (I'm probably won't get a Sammy panel this late and I'm good with AUO and CMI panels)?

Is picture quality, viewing angles, speaker quality and input lag the same for both sets (ex: comparing a UN39EH5003 AUO panel to a UN40EH5000 AUO panel)?

Anther question: For some reason some stores list the UN39EH5003 as having a higher typical power consumption than the UN40EH5000, this does not make sense to me but maybe I'm thinking the UN39EH5003 comes with default higher back light set from factory?

Other than that I cannot think of reason why the UN39EH5003 would consume more power than the UN32EH5000 if both sets are on the same back light settings, if anything the UN39EH5003 should take up to 10 watts less than the UN40EH5000 with both sets set to maximum back light (20).

Thanks in advance,
post #952 of 1413
Hey everybody - I just posted a thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454796/samsung-un40eh5000-ps3-desaturated-blue-shifted-dark-colors and was wondering if anybody else had similar issues?
post #953 of 1413
I've calibrated my UE32EH5000's PC source input with ColorHCFR and created a profile using ArgyllCMS, and on the whole the picture quality is excellent, with plenty of depth and accurate colours.

However, I've been watching DVDs through the PC (Mac mini/OS X 10.8.2/DVD Player.app/HDMI) and I've been noticing what must be a huge amount of ghosting. For example, fast movement in Starship Troopers results in lots of greeny/yellow bands appearing noticeably behind most moving dark objects, severely compromising the quality of the output. The faster the objects move, the broader the greeny/yellow bands, and the more obvious. However, even with slow movements this "ghosting" is apparent.

Is this normal? Is there anything I can do to remedy it? I'm still within a return period if that's what I should do.
post #954 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Andrew Means View Post

Hey everybody - I just posted a thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454796/samsung-un40eh5000-ps3-desaturated-blue-shifted-dark-colors and was wondering if anybody else had similar issues?
I just read your other thread. This:
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For example in the shadow of somebody's face, the gradient goes from a flesh tone to a weird green-grey, and then to black, rather than going to a brown to black.
I see this too, but only when playing DVDs back through the PC input (see my previous post, just minutes ago). I don't know what it is. Do you see it if you watch a Blu-Ray?
post #955 of 1413



Bought a UE32EH5300 in Spain, here is what it says on the box, the TV and in the service menu. As I read it on the forums, so I've been lucky, because it would be a Samsung S-PVA panel?

However, some issues are there perhaps some who can give an answer here?

Does anyone know what (32A6AFOD) D stands for (Direct LED)?

When I connect my laptop which sends a signal that is 1920x1080-60p, the picture on the TV is a little too large (icons disappear almost on toolbar), if I choose 1366x768-60p, then fit the image to the TV! does anyone have a solution?

There is no sound from the laptop on to the TV, I use an HDMI cable is version 1.3 it should be good enough, anyone have a solution?

Cannot get signal from SCART to form PIP image. No problems with HDMI signal, anyone have a solution?

Excellent TV for the money!

Thanks in advance
post #956 of 1413
Dead thread here?
post #957 of 1413
No need to yell. smile.gif

Yes, D = Direct LED.

From this site (found link via chicolom's panel identification post):
  • C - CCFL
  • L - LED
  • D - Direct LED
  • E - Edge LED

Can't help you with your other issues, unfortunately. I still haven't purchased my set!
post #958 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Vader2000 View Post

No need to yell. smile.gif

At least it got him a reply frown.gif Any chance you could peruse my question too? It's just above.
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Originally Posted by POPUP8 
There is no sound from the laptop on to the TV, I use an HDMI cable is version 1.3 it should be good enough, anyone have a solution?
Regardless of your OS, I think you still have to make sure to select the HDMI as your audio output if you want to send anything over it.
post #959 of 1413
That is correct. Go into audio properties and select HDMI as the output channel.
post #960 of 1413
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Originally Posted by POPUP8 View Post

Bought a UE32EH5300 in Spain, here is what it says on the box, the TV and in the service menu. As I read it on the forums, so I've been lucky, because it would be a Samsung S-PVA panel?

Yes it should be Samsung.

However, some issues are there perhaps some who can give an answer here?

Does anyone know what (32A6AFOD) D stands for (Direct LED)?

Yes.

When I connect my laptop which sends a signal that is 1920x1080-60p, the picture on the TV is a little too large (icons disappear almost on toolbar), if I choose 1366x768-60p, then fit the image to the TV! does anyone have a solution?

Check your Picture Options > Size > and make sure it is set to "Screen fit." If you are using "PC" mode (input is labeled as "PC") then use16 :9. All other options overscan the image and will cut off the borders.

There is no sound from the laptop on to the TV, I use an HDMI cable is version 1.3 it should be good enough, anyone have a solution?

Make sure your Laptop is even outputting sound over HDMI. Right click the volume icon, choose "Playback Devices", make sure you laptops HDMI audio output is set as the Default.

Excellent TV for the money!

Thanks in advance
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