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Emotiva XPA-5 in 7.2 Setup

post #1 of 35
Thread Starter 
Howdy,

I had been planning on buying an XPA-3 for the front 3 channels of my new home theater. However I was able to get an XPA-5 for a little more and went for it. Now I am not sure what exactly would be the best application for the extra 2 channels.

I have two Polk 265rt in wall front l/r and a 255c for center. The rears are (4)70rt's. Do I power the front 3 and the rear left/right with the amp, and leave the reciever to power the other two speakers? Or just leave the extra 2 channels unused for now until I can find somthing else to do with it?

By the way, the reciever is a Yamaha A1010, if that matters.

I am open to suggestions/comments.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. Of course, right after I buy, Emotiva is now running 10% off their amps. Gosh, had I known that I would have just bought the XPA-3 and saved some money!

Can someone reassure me that I didn't waste money buying the XPA-5?!?
post #2 of 35
Since you already have it, I'd just run the front five with the XPA5 and use the receiver for two rear surrounds. Just enjoy your gear without regrets!
post #3 of 35
^^^

you wasted your money...

buying the xpa-3 would be wasting your money too... just wasting less...

sorry...
post #4 of 35
Emo does not suggest only using 3 of the 5 amps on the XPA-5. So I suggest running a 5.1 setup using the XPA-5.

If you have 7.1, use the receiver for the rear surrounds or side surrounds (side surrounds, if they are close to you, would maybe be best served by the receiver, as greater distance = greater power needed.)
post #5 of 35
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

you wasted your money...

buying the xpa-3 would be wasting your money too... just wasting less...

sorry...

And your reasoning for this is...?
post #6 of 35
Thread Starter 
Thanks Michael and Dave. I hadn't heard that that Emo prefers all channels driven. I will probably do as you suggested.

ccotenj, care to quantify your statement? I like constructive criticism, so if the XPA is simply overkill for my setup let me know. Would I notive any diifference using the XPA over the reciever I have?

Truthfully, I am a little worried about that. However I have the budget now for the XPA and thought it would give me a better chance to grow in the future.
post #7 of 35
^^^

because the a1010 will drive the speakers he has just fine all by itself...
post #8 of 35
Hook up the 5 channels and enjoy your new amp. Some people just cant be happy for other people and need to force their beliefs upon others. I on the other hand and happy for you and you will enjoy the amp of that i am sure. I would call Emo and see if they will do anything for you on the price. I Bought mine just after there christmas sale and they honored the sale price. They may have a price gaurantee based on time,check their site. I bought the xpa 3 and i love it . I have 4 ohm speaker so that was part of my motivation. It runs super cool even under pressure.
post #9 of 35
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Originally Posted by nulfire View Post

Thanks Michael and Dave. I hadn't heard that that Emo prefers all channels driven. I will probably do as you suggested.

ccotenj, care to quantify your statement? I like constructive criticism, so if the XPA is simply overkill for my setup let me know. Would I notive any diifference using the XPA over the reciever I have?

Truthfully, I am a little worried about that. However I have the budget now for the XPA and thought it would give me a better chance to grow in the future.

since you didn't indicate that you are going into thermal/clipping now, yes, there's no "need" for it...

it's not going to sound any "better"...

save your money... amplifiers are always available if needed... they aren't gonna stop making them tomorrow...
post #10 of 35
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

because the a1010 will drive the speakers he has just fine all by itself...

This is the truth. However, since you already have the amp, just enjoy it.
post #11 of 35
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Originally Posted by Socketman View Post

Hook up the 5 channels and enjoy your new amp. Some people just cant be happy for other people and need to force their beliefs upon others. I on the other hand and happy for you and you will enjoy the amp of that i am sure. I would call Emo and see if they will do anything for you on the price. I Bought mine just after there christmas sale and they honored the sale price. They may have a price gaurantee based on time,check their site. I bought the xpa 3 and i love it . I have 4 ohm speaker so that was part of my motivation. It runs super cool even under pressure.

he asked a question and got a "fact based" answer... not a "belief based" one...

you may not like that... that's too bad...
post #12 of 35
I did not notice a difference with my XPA-3 added to my Yamaha Z7. But some people might notice, depending on their specific needs ( there's a lot of variables.)

I think you can assure yourself that only you can decide for yourself if it makes a difference in your system. So don't feel like you wasted money, because ...

a) No way to be sure until you try an external amp
b) There's far stupider wastes of money ( drugs, alcoholism, Yankees season tickets, Magic : The Gathering, etc (Just giving you Yanks fans a hard time, heh)
c) If you have the spare money and love audio why not?
post #13 of 35
^^^

he'd notice a difference if he attempted to put anywhere near 200 watts to his surrounds, as they would cease to work relatively quickly...
post #14 of 35
Thread Starter 
Guys, it's cool. I will play around with it and sell it if need be. I got mine second hand (but never used), so I can't exactly ask Emo for help on pricing.

It still seems as though I should see some improvement in music listening with better/cleaner power. Maybe I am not giving the yamaha proper credit. Keep in mind I haven't listend to all of this stuff yet, my basement isn't quite finished...
post #15 of 35
^^^

nope... watts are watts...

and why are you making the assumption that the emo makes "better/cleaner power" than the yammy?
post #16 of 35
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Originally Posted by nulfire View Post

Guys, it's cool. I will play around with it and sell it if need be. I got mine second hand (but never used), so I can't exactly ask Emo for help on pricing.

It still seems as though I should see some improvement in music listening with better/cleaner power. Maybe I am not giving the yamaha proper credit. Keep in mind I haven't listend to all of this stuff yet, my basement isn't quite finished...

If the receiver isn't clipping, you will not hear a difference with an amp. Especially not with 8 ohm and 91 db sensitivity speakers.
post #17 of 35
Thread Starter 
ccotenj: Watts are not watts, I do know that dude. Coming from the car amplifier world, I've seen $100 1000 watt amps and $1000 100 watt amps. You know there is a difference in quality.

So there is where my assumption comes from. I am sure it is flawed at some level, but I do know that there wouldn't be market for something like the now discontinued UPA-7 if all receivers produced clean watts, all channels driven.

Now in this particular case, with my setup, I do believe you are right. The "extra" watts (assuming all things are equal) are not neccesary.

Thanks for the input.
post #18 of 35
^^^

sorry... but no... i too have extensive experience in car audio, and that 100 dollar 1000 watt amp doesn't make 1000 watts...

a watt is a watt...

there's a market for a lot of things that aren't needed... especially items that are promoted with a religious fervor by some...

some situations call for external amplification because they require "more watts" or "more robust power supply"...

in the real world, your system never experiences an all channels driven sine wave...
post #19 of 35
Thread Starter 
Fair enough. I get your point now.

Manufacturers lie and so do people. I appreciate your honesty. I know that came off as sounding sacastic, but I really do, even if it isn't what I wanted to hear. Thank you.

If I have to sell the thing and lose some money in the deal, I'll just consider it stupid tax.

Have a great evening!
post #20 of 35
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

he'd notice a difference if he attempted to put anywhere near 200 watts to his surrounds, as they would cease to work relatively quickly...

I don't expect that's a big problem. He's only going need a lot of power during very brief moments of time. And I don't think temporary overload is a common cause of failure...in my experience speakers die due to overheating, and surrounds are unlikely to overheat.
post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by nulfire View Post

ccotenj: Watts are not watts, I do know that dude. Coming from the car amplifier world, I've seen $100 1000 watt amps and $1000 100 watt amps. You know there is a difference in quality.

You should take Richard Clark's $10,000 amp challenge if you think you have golden ears and can hear a difference between two modern amps operating within their limits. You would be the first person in thousands of contestants to pass the test.


http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
post #22 of 35
Thread Starter 
Michael, you know what, I like you. Thank you for trying to make me feel better about the purchase. You're right, I do like messing with audio stuff and have some disposable income to throw at it. I only wish I didn't have the dreaded WAF and destructo kids to deal with (hence in wall/ceiling speakers). Otherwise it would be floor standing speakers all the way.

That said, i certainly don't want to blow my stuff up. Thanks again for your post!
post #23 of 35
It's hard to pin down numbers. But let me try. Let's make some assumptions -
* Someone has average or low efficiency speakers, say 90 dB or less sensitivity
* Their room is not small
* They love loud music/movies
* Maybe their speakers are the kind that really tax amplifiers ( I still learning about how that works)

In this case, even a higher end $1000 receiver could come up short. I am not sure either way as I have no hard data. But it takes a lot of power to push speakers to over 100 dB. In loud scenes in movies, all speakers can be driven hard, based on my own experience.

Until we have a clipoing indicator on a receiver, I think we are guessing what it will actually do when fed a loud action scene in a movie. You have a power supply with typically a small cap bank. And limiter circuits to protect the thing from overload. And 7 speakers to drive. Even though bass is usually handled by a powered sub, I think that's a lot to handle. And it just may be some receivers wont' get it done, but in conjunction with some amps they will get it done.

I consider it an open question. Just my opinion, of course.
post #24 of 35
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

he asked a question and got a "fact based" answer... not a "belief based" one...

you may not like that... that's too bad...

higher post count doesnt make you right
post #25 of 35
I'm currently utilizing some amps I had to supplement my AVR. No reason you shouldn't take some of the load off your receiver with what you've got. I don't know why you would necessarily need to power all 5 channels at once, the material most often will not in any case. I would load up the front five. Maybe even think about running some extras now that you've got more options. I use two older amps I had to supplement my avr on the front 3 channels (2 x 2channel amps), but think with my speakers and desire for louder listening levels it's the better way to go (but my AVR probably bench tests at 20% of the RMS rating of the amps)
post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by Socketman View Post


higher post count doesnt make you right

His advice is pretty darn spot on. Where did he ever mention his post count as his credentials?
post #27 of 35
As for the op, if you already bought it and opened it just give it a shot lol. If you don't like it ill buy it . What volumes are you playing at? Room sz?
post #28 of 35
Thread Starter 
So to answer the big question of "Why nulfire? Why did you think you could benefit from a seperate amp?"

Well here it is. When I read reviews by professionals, at least once or twice they comment on how adding the Emo XPA-x amp sounds better than the receiver they were using. Sound is more open, bass is better this, sound stage that, etc.. So, I was led to believe that could happen for me too.

Unfortunatley, what I wasn't comparing properly was the speaker load. My in walls don't compare with what these reviewers were using for sound tests. Once everything gets setup, I will test with and without the Emo amp to see what it offers.

Dave, I would fail that test. But my statement was more or less illustrating the liberties manfacturers make with their ratings.

Michael, once agin you tease me. I am pretty close to your first three assumptions. But I will try the receiver and see if I can make it clip.

I wish the audio portion of this project was as easy as the new Panny 60ST50 purchase.
post #29 of 35
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Originally Posted by Socketman View Post

higher post count doesnt make you right

Nice non sequitur! Sorta goes with what Chris was saying, tho....
post #30 of 35
Thread Starter 
Hey pokekevin! Once the space is finsihed it will measure out to be 16x20x8. However one end is open to a Large hallway that goes back upstairs.

So I haven't done any listening in the finished area yet, and have only done preliminary testing with the yamaha and the l/c/r. I built back boxes for those speakers and wanted to try them out before I mounted them.
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