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Poll Results: What format would you prefer for the HTPC?

 
  • 31% (10)
    .mp4
  • 68% (22)
    .mkv
  • 0% (0)
    others (please detail in thread)
32 Total Votes  
post #451 of 608
10/14/12 at 4:13am
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I suggest the following patterns:

Chromapure:

10% Windows
10%APL Windows
Fields

Primary/Secondary sweeps
WRGBYCM

Luminance Sweep

R(25,50,75),G(25,50,75),B(25,50,75),Y(25,50,75),C(25,50,75),M(25,50,75).

Saturation Sweep

R(25,50,75),G(25,50,75),B(25,50,75),Y(25,50,75),C(25,50,75),M(25,50,75).

Grey Scale

10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90 & 100
5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95,100

Gamma
100,90,80,70,60,50,40,30,20,10
100,95,90,85,80,75,70,65,60,55,50,45,40,35,30,25,20,15,10,5

Color Checker
24pt.

NO 90-109 white!

No Near Black

No Near White

Calman:


10% Windows
10%APL Windows
Fields

Primary/Secondary sweeps
(W100%)WRGBCMY

NO Luminance Sweep!


Saturation Sweep

100%W White R(25,50,75,100),G(25,50,75,100),B(25,50,75,100),C(25,50,75,100),M(25,50,75,100),Y(25,50,75,100).

Grey Scale

100,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80 & 90
100,0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95
109,0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95,100,105

NO Gamma!


Color Checker
24pt.

Dynamic Range
90,95,98,99,100
90,100,105,107,108,109

No Near Black

No Near White

HCFR:


10% Windows
10%APL Windows
Fields

Primary/Secondary sweeps
RGBYCMW

NO Luminance Sweep!


Saturation Sweep

R(0,25,50,75,100),G(0,25,50,75,100),B(0,25,50,75,100),Y(0,25,50,75,100),C(0,25,50,75,100),M(0,25,50,75,100).

Grey Scale

0,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90 & 100
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95 & 100


NO Gamma!


Color Checker
24pt.

NO 90-109 white!


Near Black
0,1,2,3,4

Near White
96,97,98,99,100

Any comments would be great.
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post #452 of 608
10/14/12 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

Calman:
10% Windows
10%APL Windows
Fields
Primary/Secondary sweeps
(W100%)WRGBCMY
NO Luminance Sweep!
Saturation Sweep
100%W White R(25,50,75,100),G(25,50,75,100),B(25,50,75,100),C(25,50,75,100),M(25,50,75,100),Y(25,50,75,100). Only 100% white is read at this point, not 75% white.
Grey Scale
100,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80 & 90 missing 0% black
100,0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95
109,0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95,100,105
NO Gamma!
Color Checker
24pt.
Dynamic Range
90,95,98,99,100 100% white is first
90,100,105,107,108,109 109% white is first
No Near Black
No Near White
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post #453 of 608
10/14/12 at 8:46am
How about adding Contrast (Ratio) patterns (on/off and ANSI, like on the AVS disc)?
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post #454 of 608
10/14/12 at 9:56am
Thread Starter 
For saturation sweeps (no matter stimulus) always 100& white followed by the individual colors

regarding the grey scale I can add one (seperate video stream) for 11pt (including 0%) however not sure what the point is, 0% is not gonna give you anythng anyway.

Correct regarding the dynamic range, correct I will ammend


Regarding the contrast ratio patterns, yes defenetly I will add it to the list.

Cheers
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post #455 of 608
10/14/12 at 11:48am
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please see first post for mp4 verssion THANK YOU zoyd.
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post #456 of 608
10/14/12 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

please see first post for mp4 verssion THANK YOU zoyd.
Nice. Big thanks to zoyd and visca blaugrana!
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post #457 of 608
10/14/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

regarding the grey scale I can add one (seperate video stream) for 11pt (including 0%) however not sure what the point is, 0% is not gonna give you anythng anyway.

Actually, 0% is useful for calculating gamma with black level compensation enabled. It's optional for power law gamma, but essential for BT.1886 gamma. (The color reading for 0% is useless, but the Y value is not.)
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post #458 of 608
10/15/12 at 12:01am
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Ah yes of course.
I will include it as a separate stream in the calman section.

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post #459 of 608
10/15/12 at 4:23am
Thread Starter 
I have added a poll for what file format you would prefer for a HTPC version. Please vote so we can change from mp4 to another format if required
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post #460 of 608
10/15/12 at 8:45am
mkv or avi for satrecevier
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post #461 of 608
10/15/12 at 11:16am
sorry anta, but either mp4 or mkv works for me, so I voted mp4 so they don't have to do anymore work. but again, i'm fine with either mp4 or mkv.

it's very easy (albeit time consuming) to change the container from mp4 to mkv... you just need to re-mux it with mkvmerge/mkvtoolnix. just open it in mkvmerge and click start muxing.
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post #462 of 608
10/15/12 at 11:27am
Chapter skips in the mp4 currently linked on post 1 don't work in mpc. I'm putting together an mkv set that should work better
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post #463 of 608
10/15/12 at 4:46pm
The refrence pictures on the disk how do we use them? are they absolutely necessary? I like that you are going to redo the layout. I am waiting on my order of chromapure and display 3 pro so having a disk that has the patterns in the order that Chromapure will want them is great, will greatly speed up the process.
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post #464 of 608
10/15/12 at 10:33pm
Questions.

I can see the interest in checking all the additional colors' calibration values, but how are these other coordinates to be used if the primary and secondary points are as accurate as possible?

and

What is the reason for duplicating the workflows for things like HCFR, CalMAN, and Chromapure when these already exist on the AVS Rec709 disc?
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post #465 of 608
10/16/12 at 12:21am
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@Hunghro

the refference pictures are not "absolutely necessary" more like a nice thing to have, I personaly like them to evaluate, its great if everything look great on charts, but even better if the refference pictures looks great. - try to look at the pictures before and after calibratiion, hopefully that will show how good a job you have done. smile.gif

@kjgarrison
the disk has its relevance in several ways.
1: as you mention it contain patterns that dont exist on the avshd709 disk/other disks, these patterns are now as time has passed become more important, as its the only (free) way to meassure how your display preform with different amplitude/saturation levels
2: the pattern sizes is smaller then on other disks. bigger windows "CAN" cause ABL on some plasma screens.
3: the reason for splitting them in to sections and not leave it as it is, is simply to make it a better/faster/easier experience to use the disk, on different software platforms.

yes origanilly it was intented as a suplement to HCFR/the spreadsheet/Chromapure's ACM module. but since calman 5 also now can meassure different saturation levels and luminance levels. I think its a good step.

the color checker, is not as much used to calibrate your display with but to evaluate your display. it no good all your pri/sec are 100% spot on at 100/100 if everything inside the gamut is off. it leavs you with to options: try to calibrate with anoter saturation/luminance level or live with the fact that your tv preform theoreticaly brilliant but practical (where things really matter) not so much, it might not solve the problem to calibrate to other sat/amp levels, but its worth a shot. its also a very quick way to determine how overall the display preform.
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post #466 of 608
10/16/12 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Visca,
Regarding color checker patterns you can just replace the original 12 with the new 24 and send me the RGB triplets and I will update the spreadsheet.
Table from Field (1990); CIE data for Illuminant C from Poynton (2008)
Index Description Munsell Notation CIE xyY
Row 1: Natural colors
1 Dark skin 0.400 0.350 10.1
2 Light skin 0.377 0.345 35.8
3 Blue sky 0.247 0.251 19.3
4 Foliage 0.337 0.422 13.3
5 Blue flower 0.265 0.240 24.3
6 Bluish green 0.261 0.343 43.1
Row 2: Miscellaneous colors
7 Orange 0.506 0.407 30.1
8 Purplish blue 0.211 0.175 12.0
9 Moderate red 0.453 0.306 19.8
10 Purple 0.285 0.202 6.6
11 Yellow green 0.380 0.489 44.3
12 Orange Yellow 0.473 0.438 43.1
Row 3: Primary colors
13 Blue 0.187 0.129 6.1
14 Green 0.305 0.478 23.4
15 Red 0.539 0.313 12.0
16 Yellow 0.448 0.470 59.1
17 Magenta 0.364 0.233 19.8
18 Cyan 0.196 0.252 19.8
Row 4: Grayscale colors
19 White 0.310 0.316 90.0
20 Neutral 8 0.310 0.316 59.1
21 Neutral 6.5 0.310 0.316 36.2
22 Neutral 5 0.310 0.316 19.8
23 Neutral 3.5 0.310 0.316 9.0
24 Black 0.310 0.316 3.1

And http://www.webcitation.org/671Lyp9Bu

Can help you ?
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post #467 of 608
10/16/12 at 11:18am
Hi anta, thanks but not needed. Here is the updated xlsx workbook with extended color checker targets (black is not included so there are 23 new targets).

GCD_targets v12.xlsx 182k .xlsx file
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post #468 of 608
10/16/12 at 11:32am
Hey Visca wil there eventually be a how to guide on using the patterns ? Perhaps this might not be necessary at all , just a thought. I have a 51PND6500 zoyd suggested to use 75%A/75%S to calibrate the gamut. I would like to know how do I go about calibrating the gamut? I am waiting on my d3pro meter from tom and chromapure bundle and would like to be prepared never done a color calibration before just a greyscale and gamma using my old display 2 lt.
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post #469 of 608
10/16/12 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Hi anta, thanks but not needed. Here is the updated xlsx workbook with extended color checker targets (black is not included so there are 23 new targets).
GCD_targets v12.xlsx 182k .xlsx file

Thank you very much!
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post #470 of 608
10/16/12 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

(black is not included so there are 23 new targets).
GCD_targets v12.xlsx 182k .xlsx file

but black will be on the disc, right?
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post #471 of 608
10/16/12 at 12:41pm
Of course, but there is no reason to include it in the deltaE calculations.
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post #472 of 608
10/16/12 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

Hey Visca wil there eventually be a how to guide on using the patterns ? Perhaps this might not be necessary at all , just a thought. I have a 51PND6500 zoyd suggested to use 75%A/75%S to calibrate the gamut. I would like to know how do I go about calibrating the gamut? I am waiting on my d3pro meter from tom and chromapure bundle and would like to be prepared never done a color calibration before just a greyscale and gamma using my old display 2 lt.

hmm it might be a good idea for HCFR but both calman and chromapure is self explanative.

in chromapure you simply select that you want to use 75% saturation REC709 and it will tell you to turn up or down you RGB's or hue saturation or luminance, all depending what controls you have on your tv.
similar in calman5
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post #473 of 608
10/16/12 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

but black will be on the disc, right?

yes
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post #474 of 608
10/16/12 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

hmm it might be a good idea for HCFR but both calman and chromapure is self explanative.
in chromapure you simply select that you want to use 75% saturation REC709 and it will tell you to turn up or down you RGB's or hue saturation or luminance, all depending what controls you have on your tv.
similar in calman5

The pattern I would put up to use with Chroma Pure is just a RGB of 75 %A /75% S but not the sweeps that go from 0 % to 75 % that is just for checking the gamut at different points is this a correct assumption?
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post #475 of 608
10/16/12 at 11:42pm
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Correct. the sweeps is to use with the acm module.

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post #476 of 608
10/17/12 at 4:38am
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MKV version online,

any problems please shout
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post #477 of 608
10/17/12 at 5:54am
Thank you very much!
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post #478 of 608
10/18/12 at 6:11am
First I want to thank you for your great job.

Unfortunately the Blu Ray version b4.3.13. doesn´t work. I burnt it, but on two different players playback failed.
Edited by fredman2005 - 10/18/12 at 6:19am
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post #479 of 608
10/18/12 at 9:47am
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Hmm, unfortunate I don't have a blu ray burner to test but I will investigate

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post #480 of 608
10/18/12 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

Hmm, unfortunate I don't have a blu ray burner to test but I will investigate
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

just to clarify the current AVCHD version doesn't have the CalMAN-specific patterns, right?
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