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post #1201 of 2596
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Originally Posted by mistertv View Post

Greetings All,
I've had this set for about a month and am delighted with the purchase from Costco. This is my first HDTV (I upgraded from a Shart 27" tv purchased in the mid 90's) and I have a few questions for the experts:
1. I upgraded my cable TV to get an HD SIgnal. If I press the "info" button on the remote control, it indicates 480p for all HD TV channels. Is 480p HD? I've heard of people getting 720p, but I am a neophyte in this area. Is 480p the signal received through the cable?
2. There are 4 different formats. 1)Just 2) 4:3, 3) zoom 4) Full
Are there general guidelines as to when each should be used? What are the pros and cons to using each of these formats?
3. I've read a lot about people "calibrating" their TV sets. I've set my TV to "Cinema" mode from the preset factory menu. Would it be worthwhile to for me to learn how to adjust the settings to optimioze my viewing experience?
This TV is such a vast improvement to what I am accustomed to, but just want to make sure I am getting the best picture possible.
Also, I would like to thank everybody for sharing their experiences with this television set. The positive reviews I read on this forum induced me to make this my first HD television. I am absolutely delighted that I was able to pick this set up for $599.

Sounds to me like you haven't configured your cable box for HD formats like 720p and 1080i.
Be sure the HD cable box or DVR is connected to the TV with an HDMI cable if possible to be capable of all the HD formats.
Make sure you have an "HD" cable box or DVR and there should be a way to get into the "Settings" menus of the cable box and look for a High Definition settings including output resolution. On my cable box it lists all the available resolutions (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i) and you can click on and enable all or just some of them.
In my case I enabled only 1080i output format and so all channels are upconverted to 1080i HD resolution, some HD channels are 720p and some are 1080i, while the SD channels are 480i.

With an HD format input to the TV, you should use the "FULL" TV aspect/format for true HD channels (they are 16:9 aspect ratio) - while for old 4:3 SD channels you should use JUST or 4:3 mode.
post #1202 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Denog View Post

I picked up a UT50 last night. While running a burn-in iso, I noticed green blobs on the white screens (almost looked like finger smudges) in the lower center. I ran the image retention scrolling bar and the blobs intensify as the black bar approaches. Is this a permanent defect, or is it something that goes away? I have read about plenty of green blob stories, but I am unclear if the issue resolves itself or I just need to exchange it.

I just bought a 50UT50 for my family room. I too noticed some green blobs in the bottom right hand side, but only when using the scrolling bar. It wasn't noticeable at all on regular content. But just yesterday, I used the scrolling bar, and noticed that it's basically vanished. So for me at least, it's just one of those things that will go away after a bit of break-in time.
post #1203 of 2596
picked up a 50ut50 last weekend. haven't been able to spend a whole lot of time with it yet, but it looks pretty darn good in comparison to my ~6yr old sony kdl-40v2500 LCD (that has now been put out to pasture with a Roku in a different room).

Only thing I have noticed thus far is that:
1) Fox's HD feed is far superior than CBS's in our location (Time Warner Rochester, no cable box)
2) Viera Connect is kinda slow and clunky.
3) Vudu seems quite overpriced given the Bluray rentals from redbox are $1.50 and under with all the coupon codes that are readily available.
4) YAY BLACK LEVELS!

Edit: checked levels with spears and munsil using oppo bdp-83
settings I currently have dialed in are:
contrast: 45
brightness: 50
color: 50
tint: 0
sharpness: 0
color temp: warm 2
All NR: off
Motion smoother: off
black level: light
Edited by owslystnly - 10/8/12 at 8:34pm
post #1204 of 2596
I am seriously considering buying the 60 inch UT50. I have 2 questions. How well do the 2012 Panasonic plasmas (especially the UT series) perform the automatic brightness limiting? I have seen videos on the web of Samsungs and LGs ABL. It did not look too good. I saw some examples of the screen going from bright white to dark dull gray. I understand that this happens when the screen goes mostly white? I would still like to watch movies and documentaries with properly exposed white snow.

Also, (for the 60 inch UT50) when the stand is attached, what is the height from the bottom of the stand to the beginning of the viewable screen (not the bezel)? I need to know this height to buy the TV stand with the proper height. For example, if this distance is 4 inches, and I buy a 20 inch high stand, I will know the image begins 24 inches from the ground. This information is not on Panasonic's website. I emailed Panasonic's customer service, and they basically told me I would have to go measure it at a dealer!

Thanks for your help!
post #1205 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Indy60 View Post

I am seriously considering buying the 60 inch UT50. I have 2 questions. How well do the 2012 Panasonic plasmas (especially the UT series) perform the automatic brightness limiting? I have seen videos on the web of Samsungs and LGs ABL. It did not look too good. I saw some examples of the screen going from bright white to dark dull gray. I understand that this happens when the screen goes mostly white? I would still like to watch movies and documentaries with properly exposed white snow.
Also, (for the 60 inch UT50) when the stand is attached, what is the height from the bottom of the stand to the beginning of the viewable screen (not the bezel)? I need to know this height to buy the TV stand with the proper height. For example, if this distance is 4 inches, and I buy a 20 inch high stand, I will know the image begins 24 inches from the ground. This information is not on Panasonic's website. I emailed Panasonic's customer service, and they basically told me I would have to go measure it at a dealer!
Thanks for your help!

I don't know how well the ABL works because I keep it disabled, I think many others do too. But try downloading the user manual for the UT50 they have very good dimensions of each TV size, I think you should be able to figure it out from the charts because they have screen size and panel size dimenstions as well as on the pedestal.
post #1206 of 2596
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

I don't know how well the ABL works because I keep it disabled, I think many others do too. But try downloading the user manual for the UT50 they have very good dimensions of each TV size, I think you should be able to figure it out from the charts because they have screen size and panel size dimenstions as well as on the pedestal.

The ABL can be disabled on Panasonics? Great! This fixes the problem. Thanks for your help.
post #1207 of 2596
I know the UT series is inferior in picture quality in comparison with the current ST, GT, and VT series - but does anyone know how the picture quality of the UT would stack up with the higher-end Panasonic (800u, 850u) lines of the recent past (2009)?
post #1208 of 2596
I don't know where you got your information from. Have you even read this thread and seen the pictures that I posted? I had D-Nice calibrate my UT50 and it's easily on par with my VT50. They all share the same panel, same black level (check my reports), same fast phosphor throw, and the white balance can be adjusted in the service menu. Without a louvre filter present.. some even think the UT is the champion this year. Don't get me wrong.. a professionally calibrated VT50 is going to give you the best picture this year but the UT isn't far behind.
post #1209 of 2596
The UT50 uses the same basic panel as the upper series, but lacks the custom controls and louvre filter. And fewer inputs. But I would not say it is markedly inferior. I prefer the glossy panel without the filter, as images are sharp and the colors really pop. You can use Custom mode and tweak this TV to your liking, especially if you go into the service menu if you know what you are doing. But if you want the expanded pro settings to optimize pic quality, then step up to the ST series which is a great bang for the buck when on sale. But I am very pleased with the 50UT50 which I got for $799, then price adjusted to $759. Good deal on a very nice TV, as all 2012 1080p Panasonic plasmas have the newer upgraded panel.
post #1210 of 2596
The pictures I posted are side by side with my Pioneer 9G Elite. It isn't inferior to nothing.
post #1211 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Indy60 View Post

The ABL can be disabled on Panasonics? Great! This fixes the problem. Thanks for your help.

My apologies Indy, I just read a bit about ABL, and now I don't know. I thought you meant automatic contrast - which can be disabled. ABL I'm not quite sure.

This is from a different thread though and so I don't think you should have to worry about it. I never knew about this issue and never even noticed it.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1347781/auto-brightness-limiters-abl-in-plasma-sets
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post


As has been pointed out many times in these forums, there are setting on plasmas that minimize (not necessarily eliminate) this from occurring. Getting a Samsung off of "standard" is just one of them.


Personally, my viewing preferences don't include watching polar bears in snow storms so I hardly ever encounter this. Once in a while watching hockey is about it. I can live with that considering just about everything else is better with a plasma.
post #1212 of 2596
ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiter) is not defeatable. It limits screen brightness during all or near-all white or light color scenes in order to limit power consumption. Not recommended for people whose main judgement on pq is watching hockey games or the end seconds of State Farm Insurance commercials,.
post #1213 of 2596
How does ABL affect the display when trying to calibrate it?

i.e. when you aim a camera at a white object and use the auto metering, it assumes white = gray, and meters for that. to get it right, you need to bump up your e/v by ~3/4-1 (if I recall correctly, been a while).

So when trying to calibrate the white levels using S&M, should I be targeting a lower white # to disappear (say, 240something)? And is this why contrast has to be at ~45 to get the highest white number to be visible? While 76-80 seems to be the calibrated contrast level for a brightness around 48-50?

Thanks!
post #1214 of 2596
To cal a plasma you want to use a window of 10% or less or a windowed pattern. Then the window will be allowed to be bright enough. You may want to visit the calibration forum for more info.
post #1215 of 2596
Thank you, Whipit.
post #1216 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Indy60 View Post

I am seriously considering buying the 60 inch UT50. I have 2 questions. How well do the 2012 Panasonic plasmas (especially the UT series) perform the automatic brightness limiting? I have seen videos on the web of Samsungs and LGs ABL. It did not look too good. I saw some examples of the screen going from bright white to dark dull gray. I understand that this happens when the screen goes mostly white? I would still like to watch movies and documentaries with properly exposed white snow.
Also, (for the 60 inch UT50) when the stand is attached, what is the height from the bottom of the stand to the beginning of the viewable screen (not the bezel)? I need to know this height to buy the TV stand with the proper height. For example, if this distance is 4 inches, and I buy a 20 inch high stand, I will know the image begins 24 inches from the ground. This information is not on Panasonic's website. I emailed Panasonic's customer service, and they basically told me I would have to go measure it at a dealer!
Thanks for your help!

I haven't done an actual calibration on my 50UT50 (just using PathofNeo's older Custom mode settings right now), but I can tell you that practically (viewing content, not white slides), I do not find the ABL to be an issue for viewing. I am an avid skier and watch a lot of ski/snowboard movies (10+ every season) and have found the image quality/motion in these films to be amazing on the UT50. Art of Flight Blu-ray was one of the first things I watched and it's beautiful. Also, Planet Earth and Frozen Planet BBC series look good. I haven't seen any hockey yet so I can't comment there (no NHL right now and I don't have cable). On truly all-white scenes with very little contrast you might notice it, but I find these are pretty rare in practical viewing from the material I've watched.
post #1217 of 2596
I'm glad your very happy with your TV smile.gif
post #1218 of 2596
So i just bough last week A tC-50UT50 . This tv is awesome for the quality of images from hd! I love watching anything on this set looks so natural and colors are beautifull. I had a BRavia KDL EX 500 and I just realized that that tv was nothing compared to this panasonic. Only problem i have is that i chose this tv for gaming and i feel there is some imput lag even on game mode. I tried to use a component cable and set my ps3 to s video , or s cart to compare. I noticed it was better and surprisingly the graphics at 480i were the same as with my hdmi at 1080p!!! I don't understand why however. I was wondering if there is any solution to lower the lag . My old Bravia KDL ex500 was even laggier so I'm happy i upgraded there. I wanted however to find a perfect tv for gaming and the Samsung E550 at pc imput seems to fit that need. I have the american Panasonic model and the lag might be around 40ms. In Fifa for exemple turning is noticably slower than on S video 480p. I can compete however in fighers games and the colors are really impressive so I don't know if I should sacrifice this and go with Samsung ...

If there is a solution for this please explain, also please explain to me why are the graphics the same from 1080 p hdmi to 480 i S video or standard NtSC?
post #1219 of 2596
I thought the UT50 has 16ms of input lag tested by several major reviews. The GT/VT50 has more lag but I think our model is amongst the lowest of any plasma, and if you need more speed then your gonna have to go CRT.
post #1220 of 2596
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Originally Posted by technotech View Post

If there is a solution for this please explain, also please explain to me why are the graphics the same from 1080 p hdmi to 480 i S video or standard NtSC?

I can't offer any help on the input lag since I am strictly a PC gamer, but this last part is not possible, can you take pictures (using a quality camera on a tripod) of the same two scenes in a game under both configurations? Is the PS3 outputting 1080p over HDMI for sure?

Some useful input lag threads for you:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1166196/the-official-plasma-input-lag-thread
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428231/gaming-plasma-fighting-games-mvc2-umvc3-sf4
post #1221 of 2596
thanks i can't post photos for now.

I think that there is no difference from hdmi to component or s cart, resolutions are different perhaps but graphically i dont see nothing change.
post #1222 of 2596
Hey guys, I hope everyone is enjoying their televisions. I just pulled the trigger and got the 60" UT!!!! All I can say is WOW, the picture is amazing. I ran across this comment on another forum Please share your input. Thanks!!!!


Plasma myths and legends
While I do not wish to start a firestorm here I feel the time has come to point out that there are a few urban legends out there regarding the need to "age the phosphors" on your new plasma panel.

Not one manufacturer/or their engineers, recommend any "procedure" to speed up the aging process.

While they do recommend using less than full throttle with regards to light output, there is no need to spend hours running the display running "slides" of different hues.

If you are the owner of a new plasma, turn down the contrast/picture to a point where the the display is capable of rendering a nice but not overly bright image in a semi darkened room. It would be a good idea at this point to also set the black levels at this time.

Watch a variety of programming. If you are only going to game with the display, you might consider an LCD unit as these will have brighter output of light. Their downside is their inability to get very dark, but the times are changing and even modest led lit lcd's can plumb astonishing black levels today. Still, plasma for the most part can go darker in real world situations and are preferred by those seeking a theater quality experience.

Also regarding plasma models, you will notice many have "screen saver" protocols that automatically inhibit long term static images by wiping the image or scrolling after just a few minutes. These built in systems are perfect for the elimination of any slight image retention from tickers or station bugs. The upside is you get some tunes from any of a half dozen apps while the display is taking care of itself.

In conclusion, some empirical data from my own testing.

I bought two panels from a manufacturer just about two years ago. One got the slide protocol, the other was used normally right from the box. Both displays were calibrated to ISF/smpte standards and I realize this might cause some eyebrows to furl. The calibration to d65 did not affect the test IMO, but the accurately set up black and white levels may have. Since calibration of the black/white levels can be done by anyone with a DVD player, the assumption could be made that it should be done if possible.

The results from current Calibrations and measurements show no appreciable difference from baseline data gathered when new. Even the color points rgbycm have not diminished in intensity after two thousand + hours on both displays.

Since the displays in question are of a popular make I have also calibrated dozens of like machines in the field, some of which had been slided. Those that the owners had said they had "broken-in" their tv's still measured very nearly the same as my own units.

Enjoy your new plasma right from the beginning. Turn it down a bit and again, vary the viewing.

Doug k
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post #1223 of 2596
I had a quick question. My mom picked up the 60UT50 last week and is occasionally getting a full screen of snow when turning on the set. Is this just a HDMI communication issue?

I was able to force it by turning the TV off and on a couple times. If I cycle inputs it goes away and seems mainly to affect her TiVo HD input regardless of which input it is connected to.
post #1224 of 2596
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Originally Posted by innocentfreak View Post

I had a quick question. My mom picked up the 60UT50 last week and is occasionally getting a full screen of snow when turning on the set. Is this just a HDMI communication issue?
I was able to force it by turning the TV off and on a couple times. If I cycle inputs it goes away and seems mainly to affect her TiVo HD input regardless of which input it is connected to.

If the tv has a problem with hdmi it usually says no communication in a window on the tv. I'd suspect the tivo, Can you hook up another source to see if it still does it? Maybe try a bd player or xbox/ps3. Of course it could be the tv but you want to try another source and cable.
post #1225 of 2596
I would try a different cable. I ordered some cables and had to send them back because they had white flickering static and would drop out the signal, although I guess it wasn't technically a drop out because the TV didn't say no signal, it was just a black picture. But I would try a different cable and see if that helps.
post #1226 of 2596
K, how do you get rid of that annoying Smart Viera and Viera Connect logos when one turns on the tv?? I heard it's in the settings but went through all of the options and nothing is pointing to these logos. What am I missing folks?? Dint bother me at first now it's annoying as hell... lol.

Thanx.
post #1227 of 2596
There is an option for "Banner" to turn off. But it's better than my Sony, every time that gets turned on it makes a chiming sound.
post #1228 of 2596
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

There is an option for "Banner" to turn off. But it's better than my Sony, every time that gets turned on it makes a chiming sound.

K, got rid of the Viera Connect bar. How do I get rid of the Smart Viera logo that pops up once you turn the set on?? No option for that... it's like 0.5 sec so really doesnt bother me - yet, lol. But would do away with it if possible.
post #1229 of 2596
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

How do I get rid of the Smart Viera logo that pops up once you turn the set on?? No option for that... it's like 0.5 sec so really doesnt bother me - yet, lol. But would do away with it if possible.
No option for that, but as you say it only appears for less than a second.
Samsung TVs have a similar thing, that you can't disable unfortunately.
post #1230 of 2596
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

No option for that, but as you say it only appears for less than a second.
Samsung TVs have a similar thing, that you can't disable unfortunately.

It can be disabled on my euro ut50. Try to see in the [setup] menu from the main settings menu.
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