Official Panasonic UT50 Series Discussion Thread - Page 51

That would be great if they do in fact work with the UT50.
Please report back with your findings!

I bought a pair of Samsung SSG-4100GB ($19.99@BB) to test out on my UT50. They connected with no problem and I was able to watch some 3D content. I didn't watch enough to to give any sort of review...but they did work!

Hey folks. Happy holidays. I have been following this forum for quite a while and thank you to all for your contributions and feedback. I have been the proud owner of the UT50 and all i can say is wow. My UT50 was manufactured in November of this year and while running slides have noticed no sign of banding. The display is extremely uniform and precise. I will be callibrating at the end of January with an ISF callibrator in the area. I will post my conclusions and findings once we have collectively calibrated my whole system, audio and visual (that is the only way he will callibrate).

One question that I would like to post to the room is how many of you that own this display are using power conditioning on your setups. I would be very interested based on the sensitivity of plasma displays to find that some issues that some may be having could be rectified with the simple addition of clean power.

My AVR and Display are fed off a dedicated line with a PS Audio Soloist outlet and I have had wonderful results both in audio and visual.

Keep up the good vibes concerning this wonderful display!

Hi all,
Just a quick update

1. I'm waiting for my brother to help me hang it.

2. I tried the computer and this model plasma does not have what I saw in my 2 year ago plasma,that I returned. it is almost near LCD, viewing wise. Great!

3. I purchased another set of 3d gasses, the Samsung and so far I see no difference to the Panasonic's in 3d, will update latter on this.

4. I have just about every TVs I'm my house on a smartup ups, my picture is uniform and perfect.

I noticed.. while watching a Hellraiser 1 bluray what I thought was dithering.. (I have bad eyes) but it turns out older movies put to blu ray would be grainy is there any way to test if its just the old movies put on blu rays or can someone recommend a movie thats more recent that would be a good test for it? I haven't ran slides (I'm scared) so I just watch movies on my 50u50 now and nothing else no games nor tv.

Just bought a 55UT50 at Costco. My first plasma and big TV so I'm hoping to follow the suggested parameters on this forum for setting up the TV for best image.
Any suggestion on the wall mount? The best place in the room for this would be above the fireplace but I assume that would not be safe for mounting (wood or brick?) or possible heat.

Thanks

I think they have to be 2012 models. The 2011 Panasonic glasses don't work with 2011 tvs either. They standardized them in 2012.

Yep, the glasses need to be 2012 spec. The new 2012 models use Bluetooth instead of IR.

Bueller?

Hi All,

1. * Burn in images, I stopped using them, I don't think they are needed after reading soooooo many posts and articles on it. (this is only my thought on this, no professional opinion at all)
* Just be smart and turn down the contrast when playing games and don't play long or switch to something else during lobbies and limit time for the first 300 hours to make sure.
* Stretch the picture to cover the entire screen for the first 300 hours, I know it will look like crap on some contant but, you want to make sure.
( I plan on doing this for 500 hours, just to make sure, and i'm thinking that is 5months, of just being on the safe side, in case..)

2. Samsung SSG-4100GB ($20) glases vs panasonic (~$60 amazon)
Samsung
Pros
*very Light
*Fit well over glases
*a tad darker image (resulting in the very very little crosstalk you do notice, this makes it less noticeable)
*Great Price, no awesome price!

Cons
*Since it does not wrap around your face like the Panasonic's, you see light from the sides, nothing big at all but it may affect some watching in day light a little.
*Will need to change the battery when the battery dies (CR2025, very common).
*Does not fold
*Small power switch (press once it turns on and the switch goes green for a few seconds, press the switch {tap only for either on or off} and they turn off and the switch turns red for a few seconds, they also shut down when no 3d is detected or transmitted after a minute or so)

Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU
Pros
*Folding
*Wraps around your face, keeps lite or distraction out more so (not that big of a deal)
*Rechargeable (no battery)
*A tad lighter (resulting in the very very little crosstalk you do notice, this makes it a little more noticeable)

Cons
*When the battery dies, I don't think you can replace the battery, but some will, I may try.
*A little on the heavy side, but not much.
*expensive, you can get anywhere from 3-4 pairs of samsung's for the price of one of these.

I like each personally, I will keep my one pair of panasonic's and get more samsung's (maybe up to 3 of them eventually)

3. I sit 4 feet from my 55" ut50 and it looks stunning, but 5 feet or more is optimal, 3 feet is too close.

4. I personally don't like warm pictures, I use cool 1, when I see white on the screen I want white or a slight blueish tint, not yellow, PERSON PREF.

5. Standard setting no matter what I change shown more noticeable dots than any other, i dont use it at all.

6. I changed nothing for settings in 3D. I love them and actually like it better than I can get in 2D, I don't know why I can't duplicate it somehow?

7. On my dish network 922, I use 720P, Not 1080i (that just does not look good on any tv I have), No clay faces on this TV.

8. My computer on this 55" looks stunning, very very close to any LCD I had! (none of the things I saw or had on my returned 42" panasonic 3d plasma, 2 years ago)

Don't get me wrong, this picture is great, but I think I need a tad boost in backlight or something, then again it could be i'm use to the cheap LCD sets cartoony look, my 46nx810 actually looks Very close to this TV.

This Tv is a deal of the decade for sure like others said.

I think this wraps it up for me for now.
HAPPY VIEWING

!!!!!MERRY XMASS EVERYONE!!!!!!
Edited by dfran1 - 12/24/12 at 6:36am

I've been reading through some of this thread and could use some help. I had been considering buying an ST because of the supposed better blacks and the louvre filter, but after reading here I am thinking maybe that's not a great idea. I can get a 55 inch UT for $200 less than a 50 inch ST plus get an extra year warranty and a 90 day return policy if I buy from Costco (they don't have the ST).

These are my concerns:

(1) Buzzing. I realize this is not specific to the UT, but I am very tuned in to things like this and it could seriously detract from my enjoyment if it is something that is typically noticeable. I will usually be listening through my receiver/speakers rather than using the TV speakers and I Will be sitting about 8 1/2 ft away from the screen. The TV will be on a stand not wall mounted. Is this likely going to be noticeable?

(2) Lighting/Dim picture. I will typically be watching at night when dark, so probably not usually a problem. However, sometimes I watch movies in the early evening while it is still light out in the summer and occasionally during the day (but not much). The TV is in a den on a wall with no window, but the wall to the left at a 90 degree angle (when facing the TV) has a small window that has mini blinds that I can close. The right side (again while facing the TV) has a hallway and then a partial wall, but where the partial wall ends the room opens up into a living room with a large bay window that is a reasonable distance away. Bottom line is there is definitely light that comes in, but not typically very bright light that can't be partially controlled by mini blinds. Is this likely to be a big issue?

(3) This is a plasma vs. LCD issue. I am replacing a 10 year old Sony Grand Wega rear projection LCD. I have never owned a plasma. I know viewing TVs in a big box store is useless, but I went both to Costco and to Best Buy with my wife to see some TVs. In Best Buy, we went into the Magnolia Room, so at least it was somewhat darker. The plasmas looked great when looking at a lot of content, but every time there was a lot of white on the screen it just looked dirty grey while the LED/LCD screens looked bright white. As much as I tried to tell myself that this was due to the set up and the environment, it is hard to convince my eyes, and obviously my wife also wanted to know what was going on. Will the whites seem "whiter" at home?

Any thoughts and/or words of encouragement are welcome :-).

Hello all, I am a new buyer of the 60UT50 and am a newbie to this board. I read able the panel prep slides but can't seem to find them. I saw on the HDD Junkie board that D-Nice has slides, but he said they are only for the ST, GT, and VT models.

Are there specific slides for the UT model? Also, has there been a consensus on the optimal settings to use? I'm mainly a sport viewer. Thanks in advance for any help in the right direction! Looking forward to this TV!

that is an issue with plasmas - they can't display bright white if the screen is mostly white, its a power issue.
LCD/LED TVs can display full screen white bright, but they have the opposite problem, issues with screens with mostly black.
For most viewing material however I rarely see images where the screen is mostly white, mostly on commercials, so it hasn't been an issue with my Panasonic plasma.
It depends on what material you view mostly to decide which tech is best for you.
Plasma offers very wide viewing angles, while LCD/LED has a narrow viewing angle - that can be an issue too.

The slides are just full screen shades of white/gray and colors to age the panel evenly, so they work with all models.
Its the final settings that may vary between models.
Aging the panel evenly for 100+ hours is recommended before calibrating since the optimal settings could vary a lot before that point.

So when you use slides you should have the tv set to standard mode or are there settings you need it set to for running slides?

Hey, LTE15.

1) I sit 8-10 feet away from my 55" UT50 and use the out-of-the-box stand, rather than a mount. The only time any buzz has been audible was when an all-white screen was displayed with the sound disabled. Even then, I only noticed because I had been listening for it. tl;dr, it's a non-issue in "real world" situations.

2) This was my biggest concern. My "setup" has two lamps with three forty watt bulbs behind the television itself and, in the mornings, some light slips through the blinds and reflects off the white walls. The only time I notice reflection is on a stark black screen. I define obsessive and it doesn't bother me in the least. Entirely watchable.

3) The whites aren't as bright. The blacks are blacker. I feel the former matters more often, but it's about what /you/ care about, in this case.

This TV is a minefield. Another case of 'panel lottery'. I've just been reading all about this banding issue (and more). Many have experienced it, in many cases it is visible in normal use (apparently football pitches often show it and I've seen it plenty of times in games). Some say it get's better over time, some have had it get worse.

I didn't spend long enough researching before making my purchase. Part of the problem was that I was searching for problems specifically related to the UT50. I should have been researching Panasonic's 2012 plasmas in general. The UT50 shares the same uniformity and banding issues as the ST50, VT50 etc., which are well documented. For some reason thses issues are not very well documented in UT50 threads - I guess it's because the more discerning people aren't buying these lower end models.

Anyway, 'dirty screen effect' and banding issues are present in all the 2012 plasmas from Panasonic including the UT50. These are major flaws, probably due to Panasonic's non-existent quality contol and potential buyers need to be aware. If I had known of this, I would never have purchased one of these sets.

There are tons of people that are very happy with panasonic plasmas, now you are slamming the entire 2012 Panasonic line up. There is no perfect technology period.
Edited by chunon - 12/25/12 at 7:30am

I want to echo this question. For D-Nice's slides, he has specific settings you need in place before you start the slides. Does anyone know if this is the same for the UT?

Also, are there any best post-slide prep settings, especially for viewing sports? Thanks for the help!

That means absolutely nothing. There are 'tons' of people 'very happy' with any number of blatantly flawed devices - just look at all those using cheap LCDs with uniformity issue far worse than this, and completely oblivious to them. There are 'tons' of people who think LCD can display black. Another example is the older people who would say that their set is not buzzing, because the buzz is out of their frequency range.

This is a confirmed and widespread issue, are you really not aware of it? There is an abundance of photos on the net displaying exactly the same banding as shown in Jantonio82's post. The source has nothing to do with it, and I'm not even using a TV source anyway. Did you not read the quoted post? It clearly shows the issue on a plain slide

I meant that they are present in every model (UT, ST, GT, VT), not every unit (obviously), although I suspect a large percentage of units are effected, just to varying degrees (like the buzzing). As I said, just because a user doesn't notice or complain about an issue, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Panasonic have already responded to the banding issue, claiming that it is "within specification", which is a cop out. If I could still get a refund, I would. It could take any number of returns to get a 'good' unit, and these are hardly easy things to transport.

Anyway, my intention was to warn potential buyers. They can do the research and make up their own minds, but they need to be aware of the issue in the first place. None of the reviews deal with banding or DSE, everyone is just crowing about the black levels.
Edited by Oubadah - 12/25/12 at 3:35pm

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but projecting that to every Panny plasma model I don't believe is fair. We have seen this act before multiple times and it happens ever single model year. I wish you luck in resolving your issues with Panasonic, it is certainly not the norm as Randy has stated.

This whole slide break-in craze which is absolutely worthless btw unless you are aging the tv for calibration has created a legion of folks obsessing over uniformity issues that they will never see in real content. If folks would just relax and actually watch some content alot of this hysteria would simply go away.

Yes, because every year Panasonic releases PDPs with glaring issues. My V20 was the same with it's floating blacks etc. - I thought they might have got their act together by now...

I've already stated that I do not use the slides, and if you read back through my posts you will see my first post about this issue when I noticed it during 'real content' (before I was even aware that it was a known issue). I also stated clearly that I have seen it multiple times since in 'real content'. And the other common example - the football pitch - I guess that's not 'real content' either. You clearly have little grasp on the issue if you truly believe that it is only visible in slides. Discussions on the subject have already been linked on the previous page, I suggest you read them.

Yes, I'm not talking about posterization. I guess I should have used the word 'vertical', but since I quoted post about vertical banding twice, including pictures of vertical banding, mentioned uniformity and DSE and linked to those other threads about "vertical band issues", I thought I'd made it quite clear.

I know terminology can become quite a problem with all these different display errr... 'quirks', but I'm using the term 'banding' to describe what I see, which is bands of non uniform colour on the screen. Sorry if the term is also used for other phenomena, and if I caused any confusion.

So what is vertical banding indicative of?

I have a 50ST50 that will be delivered soon. Upon installation, what would my options be if display has extensive v. banding? Will it eventually recede or is it a serious problem of display that will only get worse over time?

Thanks for the info. Is it recommended to tweak any of the settings before you run the slides or just run it on slideshow mode right out of the box?

Where exactly in this thread for pathofneo are the settings? I'm not seeing them on the first page/first post. Which page ?

Where exactly in this thread for pathofneo are the settings? I'm not seeing them on the first page/first post. Which page ?