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post #1771 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Icelight View Post

So I'll be getting a 50UT50 tomorrow and I was wondering about something.

I've read a lot that states one should break in the Plasma using those single-coloured slides in a rotation fashion (and others that state there's no need) before calibration.

I'm not too concerned about calibration, however this HDTV will be used only for Gaming.

I am concerned about IR, and I'm wondering if I should focus on breaking the set in for the first few days, or if I can just use it and enjoy it (and pray I don't get bad IR)?

Thanks!

Well there's no guarantee against IR so you may want to take precautions. Maybe when you are gaming with static bits on the screen you could run a lower contrast and at the end of your session run it higher for a while to help wash it. Maybe run a disney pixar movie and make up a preset like custom with a high contrast then when gaming run cinema and set the contrast lower early in the panels life. Those slides may not help much but are geared for even pixel aging where regular content may not age the outer(nearer to the edges) pixels as much. So running the slides is up to you, since you aren't getting a cal you can just watch tv to age the panel just mix up the content. Another tip is to hit the format button on the remote to change the screen to just/zoom/full ect to help move the huds around a bit maybe on some games you can turn them off.
post #1772 of 2596
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

Some folks on avs are using "Light Dims" (google it)applied over the light to dim it or block it. If you are getting reflections maybe you can tilt it down a bit, being a plasma tilting won't affect the pic quality.

Filling up the screen is good so you age all the pixels. Stretching is fine as long as all the pixels are lit you are doing good. Logo's bad, black bars not so bad, still try to avoid those a bit if you can in the early hours. The pic quality seems to get better during the first hundred hours or so. It seems the ghosting gets better as the panel ages too so be patient and see how that goes. If you get ghosting(crosstalk) when watching 3D stuff try 48hz to help reduce that effect.

To get rid of the logo, hit menu>settings, it's somewhere in there, sorry I can't be more thorough on that. You should try some user settings posted in the UT settings thread to see what the tv can do, enjoy:)

thanks!!!!!!
i'm using the stand and it's set in place i don't think i can tilt it.
is it normal if i'm watching something and i get close to the screen (like say 3-4 feet) i can actually see myself in the picture like a mirror, mainly the black area? that's pretty insane on the reflective scale...

one more thing, what's up with the grey bars on the sides on standard content? i thought it was supposed to be black bars.. any reason they're grey?
Edited by watcher6 - 1/12/13 at 4:59am
post #1773 of 2596
Hi all,
I went into a best buy during the week and saw the horrible adjusted 50" version of this set. It was like a old washed out picture, after adjustments and some service menu tweaks, my set looks great!

(sevice menu on this set is pretty easy, my sony nx810 is a nightmare and I could not figure out anything in the nx810, tho I do not have to, but if I did I could not) use at your own risk tho....

Also I do see the slight bands that someone else reported here and maybe all panasonic sets have this, and mine started out at around the 90 hour mark, it has not changed since they first showed up, but I'm starting to believe that person, that maybe all Panasonic's do this, just some don't know yet or just can't see it, maybe. Now in saying that, it is not that big of a deal at all, and during 90% of normal viewing or even more it is not noticeable, if your looking for it only, if you do not look for it you will never know. I will keep monitoring it but I am at 225 hours and it does not seem to be getting worse (I hope it does not).

At this point, This tv is a great buy, 3D is great (yes I do see some crosstalk/ghosting but nothing compared to my nx810 sony, and only slight some at that, I'm very picky). The picture can be adjusted to similar lcd led sets, just a little darker.


speculation only, below
Anyone on the fence of getting one should and not look at the store displays (if you see that washed out picture also, at your local stores), also amazon is sold out of the 55" version, and the 50" went up a dollar, this looks like stock is going fast or gone for some, and I think best buy will sell out soon also at 850 for the 55" version (this is just my speculation, nothing more) the 55" may be sold out soon and/or the price may go up next week.
post #1774 of 2596
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Originally Posted by watcher6 View Post

thanks!!!!!!
i'm using the stand and it's set in place i don't think i can tilt it.
is it normal if i'm watching something and i get close to the screen (like say 3-4 feet) i can actually see myself in the picture like a mirror, mainly the black area? that's pretty insane on the reflective scale...

one more thing, what's up with the grey bars on the sides on standard content? i thought it was supposed to be black bars.. any reason they're grey?

I'd say it's normal to look like a mirror until the room is dark, both of my tv's have a filter so it's not as bad.

In the menu>settings>anti-image retention area there's a place where you can adjust the black bars or turn them off. It's setup to display them when the tv detects 4:3 content, hitting "info" on the remote will show something like 480i.

These tv's can get IR depending on your settings and how you use it. So this is a step to help that a bit. You want to stay away from static bright images and black bars as much as possible in the panels early hours.

Kind of up to you if you need them, I'd run med or low for a hundred hours or so. If you don't you won't age the pixels in the black areas and they may look different. If you get IR just change up how you use the tv.
post #1775 of 2596
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

I'd say it's normal to look like a mirror until the room is dark, both of my tv's have a filter so it's not as bad.

In the menu>settings>anti-image retention area there's a place where you can adjust the black bars or turn them off. It's setup to display them when the tv detects 4:3 content, hitting "info" on the remote will show something like 480i.

These tv's can get IR depending on your settings and how you use it. So this is a step to help that a bit. You want to stay away from static bright images and black bars as much as possible in the panels early hours.

Kind of up to you if you need them, I'd run med or low for a hundred hours or so. If you don't you won't age the pixels in the black areas and they may look different. If you get IR just change up how you use the tv.

cool, thanks again.
post #1776 of 2596
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

Some folks on avs are using "Light Dims" (google it)applied over the light to dim it or block it. If you are getting reflections maybe you can tilt it down a bit, being a plasma tilting won't affect the pic quality.

That's genius! Why didn't I think of that?!!

No more painful LEDs! Ouch!

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post #1777 of 2596
My phone doesn't pick up the bluetooth from the TV but is picking up the bluetooth from other devices. When I did the factory reset it showed BT as OK. Please can you let me know if you are aware of a Bluetooth setting I can change? Have had a look but can't see anything. Thanks again.
post #1778 of 2596
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Originally Posted by tommy7uk View Post

My phone doesn't pick up the bluetooth from the TV but is picking up the bluetooth from other devices. When I did the factory reset it showed BT as OK. Please can you let me know if you are aware of a Bluetooth setting I can change? Have had a look but can't see anything. Thanks again.

The bluetooth module on my 55" seems to be a module attached to the bottom rear of the TV (kind of opposite the power led on the front).

Seems to be held in place by a screw, if you dare you could (at your own risk, I would try) to remove the screw and see if the module pulls out, then reinstall, sometimes the connections (if they are plug ins) get dirty/oxidized.

Acording to the service manual on the 55"

9.2.4. Remove the Bluetooth module
1. Remove the screw (×1 ) and remove the Bluetooth
module.

or it is bad or the communication to it is bad, can you swap the tv if this does not work?
or call panasonic.

There is no setting that I could find even in the service manual.
Edited by dfran1 - 1/13/13 at 8:39am
post #1779 of 2596
Thanks for your time dfran1. I have had the TV less than a week so i think I will refer back to the seller. Thanks, this forum has been excellent.
post #1780 of 2596
I got my 55" UT50 a week ago tomorrow. I'm very happy with it. Got past the 100 hours of break in slides last night, had just been using it normally when home. No hints of IR after watching ESPN or playing games. Picture is great. It has a bit of a buzz to it, but really only notice it during commercials or very bright and quiet scenes. The screen is reflective, but it's fine with the blinds down. And not any worse than my prior TV with them open. The 3D is very nice as well. Watch Avatar last night and thought it looked great.

Heck of an upgrade from the 50" SONY LCD RPTV I was using. PQ is amazing, especially for the $849.99 I paid for it.
post #1781 of 2596
now that i've had time with my new tv i'm loving it, watched finding nemo last nigh in high definition and it was breathtaking... my grandmother came over and saw ice age playing on it and was blown away.

it looks amazing connected to my pc through dvi<>hdmi, although for some reason it displays text not so great, like when there's motion the text shifts (that motion corrector thing is off).
and text on the screen from my right click context menu is bad, i'd never use it for a primary monitor but for playing video files is amazing.

i don't even need any calibration or anything.

i had one more question though, is there any need to clean the screen of the display? if i never touch it or anything?
on my previous screen i made the huge mistake of taking windex and a paper towel to it within the first few months of having it and had to live with smudges for it's duration.
i do not want to smudge this screen or anything like that.
post #1782 of 2596
I use a microfiber cloth(the fluffy kind, not the suede type as that leaves no room for dust and dirt to get trapped). I also bought a small spray bottle and filled it with water. A few mists on the cloth and a gentle motion from side to side across the screen take care of any dust.
post #1783 of 2596
Can someone tell me why I have to watch AD's on my UT50? Seriously... this is the worst !!! I realize it is just one little add when you turn the TV on which is easily ignored, but I bought a nice expensive TV and I plugged it into the internet.. what does that get me? An AD at the bottom of my screen every time I turn the thing on... TERRIBLE PANASONIC.
post #1784 of 2596
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Originally Posted by watcher6 View Post

now that i've had time with my new tv i'm loving it, watched finding nemo last nigh in high definition and it was breathtaking... my grandmother came over and saw ice age playing on it and was blown away.

it looks amazing connected to my pc through dvi<>hdmi, although for some reason it displays text not so great, like when there's motion the text shifts (that motion corrector thing is off).
and text on the screen from my right click context menu is bad, i'd never use it for a primary monitor but for playing video files is amazing.

i don't even need any calibration or anything.

i had one more question though, is there any need to clean the screen of the display? if i never touch it or anything?
on my previous screen i made the huge mistake of taking windex and a paper towel to it within the first few months of having it and had to live with smudges for it's duration.
i do not want to smudge this screen or anything like that.

Calibration would only make you like the picture more, assuming your trying to produce an accurate picture. Try adjusting sharpness for text, I don't have any issues with text off my PC and I keep sharpness at zero.

Dust will build up, I just use water on a rag to get it damp and not enough to make the glass wet. Just to get the dust. Windex is awful except for the windows ion your house - it eats windows tint because the ammonia (?) in it.
post #1785 of 2596
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Can someone tell me why I have to watch AD's on my UT50? Seriously... this is the worst !!! I realize it is just one little add when you turn the TV on which is easily ignored, but I bought a nice expensive TV and I plugged it into the internet.. what does that get me? An AD at the bottom of my screen every time I turn the thing on... TERRIBLE PANASONIC.

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post #1786 of 2596
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Can someone tell me why I have to watch AD's on my UT50?

Because you didn't search the forum or look around in the settings menus or read the manual about it biggrin.gif

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Seriously... this is the worst !!! I realize it is just one little add when you turn the TV on which is easily ignored, but I bought a nice expensive TV and I plugged it into the internet.. what does that get me? An AD at the bottom of my screen every time I turn the thing on... TERRIBLE PANASONIC.

Just go into the TV's menu and turn the ad banners off. Done. wink.gif
post #1787 of 2596
Very excited to join you guys! Now I need a good TV stand, I'm limiting the dept of the stand to be less than 19", ideally TV should be positioned at eye level. I'm looking at the OmniMount (link below) Echo TV stand, people are reporting it will block some ports on the back of certain TVs. Please share if you are using this stand, or any stand you think is nice. Thanks!

http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-Echo-50FP-50-Inch-Espresso/dp/B001GVIM9I

post #1788 of 2596
If your handy I recommend you make your own. That's what I did. Mine was originally for a 32" LCD and so the 50" plasma goes over the sides but it works out well.
post #1789 of 2596
Has the UT50 been tested for input lag with Leo Bodnar's Lag Tester?
I know the ST50 has ~39-42 ms and the U50 has around 27 ms. Both with game mode on.

Can any one please confirm the measured lag on the UT50 with Leo's Tester?

Thanks a million!
post #1790 of 2596
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Originally Posted by WRXfanatic View Post

Chunon,

Sorry, I've been away from this thread for a bit. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to imply by saying that I'd be happy with a lower end LCD...Certainly if I'm pointing out PQ flaws with what the fanboys are touting as the PQ deal of 2012, we both know that's not true at all. Will I be willing to SETTLE for a cheaper LCD TV to avoid Buzz, Dithering, IR (more on this in a second) and absurd power consumption? Maybe. I've got what I would consider a pretty advanced home theater setup with integrated z-wave controlled lighting scenes, RF remote control, media server, color spectrometer calibration tools etc. etc that I've all done myself on a very low budget through lots of research). I'm a bit put off by your comment...

So, as I've alluded to already, I'm on my second 55UT50. While the vertical striping is barely less noticeable on the second set, the IR issues are horrendous on this set and basically as bad as my 2009 5 series Samsung Plasma. I kid you not, the SmarTVierra logo that displays on startup for a brief moment stays visable on a solid color screen for at least a minute or two (maybe longer, I've never timed it). Load the Pandora app and I can see the big "Pandora" title from the first screen on the music screen VERY CLEARLY. Worse yet, I played Pandora for a couple of hours last weekend, which has a screensaver, but the music progress bar is now visible over a week later on solid color backgrounds (or break-in slides). Yes, I can see it even in normal content!

What's worse is that I have 3TB of content on my HTPC. If I load my movie interface even briefly to select a movie, when I start the movie, I can see silhouettes of the movie box outlines for a few minutes into the movie. Same for the Netflix and Amazon apps. Tell me how that is acceptable picture quality? It's totally distracting!

I've always broken in my Plasma displays with slides and I do have at LEAST 200 hours on this second set and IR is getting worse and worse. I may be simply unlucky with a bum UT50 but after 2, I'm starting to doubt it. The first display didn't seem to have IR quite as bad but this is terrible. And no, I'm not using Contrast 100....I've got it at 86 right now.

So, will I be happy with LCD? I don't think I will be but I'll sleep better at night knowing that I won't see previous high contrast scenes in the next scene of the movie. I'd be buying an IPS panel LCD anyway which should have good color accuracy but worse black levels sadly...We'll see what I do.

My point was simply that your are having a bad experience I sympathize for sure. I don't have an explanation for your "luck". What bothers you wouldn't bother me but hey it's your hard earned dollar. I think the bottom line is in order to get the performance you are getting out of the ut50 in an LCD you are going to have to pay significantly more or you will have to decide to live with a different set of shortcomings with an LCD panel. The IR issues you are experiencing are certainly not the norm. BTW slides do absolutely nothing to mitigate IR that is an urban legend. As far as whether the UT50 is a good value or not you have your opinion and lots of others are very satisfied with the set. Power consumption really ? That's a known shortcoming of plasma technology, all plasmas. If you consider $50 dollars a year "absurd" I don't have an response to that.
post #1791 of 2596
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Originally Posted by sk007 View Post

Very excited to join you guys! Now I need a good TV stand, I'm limiting the dept of the stand to be less than 19", ideally TV should be positioned at eye level. I'm looking at the OmniMount (link below) Echo TV stand, people are reporting it will block some ports on the back of certain TVs. Please share if you are using this stand, or any stand you think is nice. Thanks!

http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-Echo-50FP-50-Inch-Espresso/dp/B001GVIM9I


I bought the version of that mount without the additional raised TV bracket. With a bit of effort, it is pretty good at hiding the wires. All my wires are almost 100% hidden; at least by my own standards.

Can't tell you about whether or not the bracket will block the ports on your TV because I don't have the bracket.

My one complaint is that the stand without the TV bracket does not have a ton of space underneath for speakers and components. I have an Denon AVR receiver, a fairly big center speaker and (soon to be a) PS3 under there and it is totally full. I don't need any more space for other equipment, but if you do then you may want a bigger stand. Of course if you have the TV bracket then you can also place equipment on the top part.

But for the cost that stand is certainly fairly nice. I like mine so far (had it for two weeks).
post #1792 of 2596
I've been waiting on the sidelines and was entering the 10th year with my 42" Panasonic ED (480P, but excellent picture) plasma. For the past three or so years, I would always drool at the closeout pricing of the previous year's models when CES rolled around. At $850 for a 55UT50, I couldn't hold out any longer.

Using the settings from the other thread, the picture is excellent....in a dark room. I had heard about the reflectiveness of the screen, but I figured, I've had a plasma for 10 years, and it's never really bothered me. Unfortunately, behind our main viewing couch, is a kitchen with overhead fluorescent lighting. At night, with the lights on, the reflections are almost mirror-like. My previous plasma of 10 years never had this problem.

I've only had it up for 1 night, and I'll try it out for a few more days to see how bothersome it is. Is there anything I can do to alleviate the reflections? Or, will I just have to upgrade to an ST50?
post #1793 of 2596
Nothing you can do but turn those lights out. I have a small lava lamp on my subwoofer slightly beside and a bit behind the TV I use for ambient lighting when watching at night.

How's the buzz on yours? I've had mine about a week and love it other than the buzz being slightly distracting during quiet bright scenes.
post #1794 of 2596
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

I bought the version of that mount without the additional raised TV bracket. With a bit of effort, it is pretty good at hiding the wires. All my wires are almost 100% hidden; at least by my own standards.

Can't tell you about whether or not the bracket will block the ports on your TV because I don't have the bracket.

My one complaint is that the stand without the TV bracket does not have a ton of space underneath for speakers and components. I have an Denon AVR receiver, a fairly big center speaker and (soon to be a) PS3 under there and it is totally full. I don't need any more space for other equipment, but if you do then you may want a bigger stand. Of course if you have the TV bracket then you can also place equipment on the top part.

But for the cost that stand is certainly fairly nice. I like mine so far (had it for two weeks).


Thanks for sharing. Have you considered TV stand with cabinets? My past experience with open design is that components in it tends to collects dust, which is not easy to clean. Cant decide if I should go with this or a low profiled stand with cabinets. For the price I guess this is very nice stand.
post #1795 of 2596
I didn't really experience any dust problems so far with my open cabinets, but then again I am not the one doing my own house cleaning...
post #1796 of 2596
I just have one of those Swiffer 360 duster I use to clean stuff in my open stand.

Closed stands are bad for video consoles as they tend to have problems with over heating if they're not well ventilated.
post #1797 of 2596
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Originally Posted by soobaerodude View Post

I've been waiting on the sidelines and was entering the 10th year with my 42" Panasonic ED (480P, but excellent picture) plasma. For the past three or so years, I would always drool at the closeout pricing of the previous year's models when CES rolled around. At $850 for a 55UT50, I couldn't hold out any longer.

Using the settings from the other thread, the picture is excellent....in a dark room. I had heard about the reflectiveness of the screen, but I figured, I've had a plasma for 10 years, and it's never really bothered me. Unfortunately, behind our main viewing couch, is a kitchen with overhead fluorescent lighting. At night, with the lights on, the reflections are almost mirror-like. My previous plasma of 10 years never had this problem.

I've only had it up for 1 night, and I'll try it out for a few more days to see how bothersome it is. Is there anything I can do to alleviate the reflections? Or, will I just have to upgrade to an ST50?

Depending on the design of the room, are drapes an option? Before I moved my TV to a different room, I had the same problem, but the living room to kitchen has a doorway and a window cutout between the rooms, too. I was going to put a curtain over the windows to reduce the light.
post #1798 of 2596
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Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post

I just have one of those Swiffer 360 duster I use to clean stuff in my open stand.

Closed stands are bad for video consoles as they tend to have problems with over heating if they're not well ventilated.

good point on the console over heating issue! thanks.
post #1799 of 2596
Just bought a Panasonic TX-P50UT50B from Curry's £600, very happy with it so far, colour is sensational, it smashed the Samsung E550 in the showroom and input lag is showing 270ms on Human Benchmark.com http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/ which isn't that shabby. I sold my LG 47LW450U because it was averaging an unplayable 305ms.
post #1800 of 2596
Hello, my parents on vacation and they have a TC-P50G25 here in their place. I'm thinking of upgrading to the UT50 while they are out. Is this a noticeable upgrade? Is there anything they are going to miss from their old TV? maybe feature-wise or quality wise? Seems to me that the UT50 is just the newer version of the G25 right?

Thanks in advance!
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