Originally Posted by cjsiv
You are very knowledgeable and have a crazy amount of experience with subs. I value your opinion greatly. If you needed an all around performer that excelled in music and HT in my price range, which would you choose? Having heard a submersive, captivator, orbit shifter plus the subs I'm looking at, you are the man to ask.
Will your wife let you swing a mini vacation in May to attend the subwoofer meet in southern California? I'd suggest the airline ticket price might be worth the expense to hear another roundup of subs and get a feel for what you like --- helping curb that upgraditis... The problem with relying on just one opinion --- like mine is that the sound of subs is pretty subjective. Which is why I can feel a SVS, HSU, and Epik Empire sound totally different in the same room, same placement with no EQ --- YET they all have their respsective fans who think they clearly are the best!!! As you EQ these options in the same room to flatten response they begin to sound more alike. In the 2011 meet I didn't have much experience with many of the auditioned subs - they were new to me -- and I didn't have any real bias on what to expect, since I hadn't heard any of them except the ones I owned and the HSU VTF-15H. I just remember the SVS and Epik Empire sounding like two opposites sides of the pendulum swing for music and movies. I came out of hearing those two play and said aloud there was a night and day difference between those two subs sound. (uneq'ed in my room, and from my particular listening position --- which would definately have a unique frequency response from all the other listening positions) For music I preferred the Epik, for movies I preferred the SVS. Other's opinions didn't even necessarily line up with mine! LOTS of subjectivity in all matters -- -which is why hearing them for yourself in the same room on the same day is a huge plus for you as a perspective owner.
As to the Submersive, Captivators, Orbit Shifters etc. They are in another price league --- AND quite another performance league. If you really want to avoid upgraditis - - then you might want to save a bit longer. The Cap Pro pair I have now put an end to my upgraditis because I've not heard anything I personally and subjectively like better. Since I pretty much have subs in the top shelf tier of the ID world - then my next step is DIY if I decide to pursue further.
In truth man - any of the subs you are looking at and have been mentioned would probably make you very happy!!! and really --- if you weren't comparing them side to side you'd probably never know - nor care about the differences. As you implement EQ and setup your room appropriately the subs will begin to sound more alike yet.
As to two cheaper subs compared to a single higher quality sub --- I do really like the idea of two subs - but it doesn't alway ring true that two subs are better than one of a higher quality as you add the restrictive element of budget. I'd take a single JTR Captivator over my previously owned pair of SVS PB13 Ultras any day of the week.