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post #121 of 179
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From memory the additional 4 pins are a twelve volt source for graphics cars etc.
I think that as you have it connected it should be fine. (you have a 4 pin cable coming out of your 24 pin plug and going to the atx 12 v on the boad right ?)

Thanks for the reply, really appreciate it. Yes, I have 24pin cable connected to the main board source, and the additional 4pin cable that is coming from the 24pin plug connected to the 12v on the main board. I assumed everything was correct, but wanted to check as I'm unfamiliar with these types of power supplies. Thanks again smile.gif
post #122 of 179
No problem smile.gif
Tell us what you think once you have it running
post #123 of 179
Wondering if anyone can help answer this question for me as Stardog Champion is on vacation for awhile.

I'm looking at purchasing the E-i7N or E-i7. I'm gonna run with a G2020 and onboard GPU but want to make sure I can add in a video card if need be. I was looking at an NVidia one like this GT430 http://www.amazon.ca/Zotac-GeForce-Express-Graphics-ZT-40603-10L/dp/B00471D1OK. It is available for a around $35 (from another retailer until tomorrow) as opposed to $75+ from most retailers

Is there enough space in the box for something like this? I think the height is 2.25 inches. I'm looking at nVidia cards because I want to run Openelec and ATI cards are out of the question.

Thanks
post #124 of 179
look at post 33, I installed a GT430 in the e-I7, but there's some funky cut outs in the case that made in a challenge to install,
post #125 of 179
for the owners of E-I5: will fit the Intel stock heatsink (about 45mm) with a SSD?
thanks!
post #126 of 179
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The stock 'T' heat sink will fit but not the regular heat sink. If you're looking for a recommendation the Dynatron T459 is quiet and works well. Max height is around 37mm.
post #127 of 179
I'm looking to make a HTPC/Steambox (for less demanding games) and really like the look of these cases. Size is the most important issue for me so I'm looking at the E-I3 - is it possible to fit an AMD APU + a suitable cooler in that case? Would I have to go with the 65W A10-6700 or could I make the 100W A10-6800K work? It looks like you can only get up to a 120W power board for the E-I3, will the larger ones that comes with the other cases not fit? Could I skip the power board/adapter altogether and get a "Pico PSU"?

Also can someone explain the difference between the power board and AC adapter? I assume the board dictates how much wattage the system can draw - where does the adapter come in though?

Thanks!
Edited by goodbyegalaxy - 8/22/13 at 9:52am
post #128 of 179
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Originally Posted by goodbyegalaxy View Post

I'm looking to make a HTPC/Steambox (for less demanding games) and really like the look of these cases. Size is the most important issue for me so I'm looking at the E-I3 - is it possible to fit an AMD APU + a suitable cooler in that case? Would I have to go with the 65W A10-6700 or could I make the 100W A10-6800K work? It looks like you can only get up to a 120W power board for the E-I3, will the larger ones that comes with the other cases not fit? Could I skip the power board/adapter altogether and get a "Pico PSU"?

The smallest case I would recommend for a Trinity or Richland processor is the E-i7 case. I would not recommend a A10-6800K or any 100W TDP processor for any of these cases. The 65W APUs would be fine. Any of the A10 processors need the 150W AC adapter. The reason the 180W DC powerboard is not offered in the E-i3/E-i5 is because system built in those cases should be lower power and a system that needs over 120W should not be built in those cases. It would provide no advantage to skip the included power board/AC adapter.
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Also can someone explain the difference between the power board and AC adapter? I assume the board dictates how much wattage the system can draw - where does the adapter come in though?

With these mini-ITX power supplies, including the picoPSUs, there are two parts to the power supply. The first is the AC adapter which coverts 110V-240V AC from your wall to 12V DC. The internal DC powerboard converts the 12V DC to the other voltages needed by various components: 12V, -12V, 5V and 3.3V. The AC adapter rating is the maximum output. The DC powerboard rating is the maximum input.
post #129 of 179
Thank you for the advice Stardog! Is the reason you can't put a Richland processor in the I3 and I5 because there isn't enough room for a suitable cpu cooler? I can't find how much clearance is left for the cooler on those cases, do you have any idea? For example would it be impossible to use something like this which is 34mm and rated for 65W TDP? Like I said size is the most important thing for me so I don't mind spending extra on cooling and undervolting etc, if I could somehow make it work.
post #130 of 179
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The E-i3 will fit a 28mm HSF with a standard 9.5mm 2.5" HDD/SSD. There is one for AMD, the Gelid Slim Silence a-Plus. But, the real issue is heat with Trinity/Richland. This is something just learned by experience. If there is such a thing as an AMD mini-ITX motherboard that takes an mSATA card, you could remove the mounting plate for the SSD and then fit up to a 37mm HSF. Otherwise, 28mm is the max. If you are willing to undervolt it and get the temperatures to where you want though, you can go for it. I am not sure if it's still an issue but I do not the MSI A75 FM2 mini-ITX motherboard doesn't undervolt even with an underclock so make sure you get a good motherboard. From experience, I do not recommend any ASRock FM2 mini-ITX motherboard with the 120W DC powerboard in the E-i3 case.
post #131 of 179
Thanks again smile.gif I couldn't find any mini ITX FM2 motherboards with an mSATA slot. It's too bad there's no way to keep the SSD out of the way, even if you're only using one. Think that would be possible if I drilled extra holes or modified the mounting plate? Not looking for promises or anything, just speculation... I may just pick one of these up to play around with.
post #132 of 179
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

From experience, I do not recommend any ASRock FM2 mini-ITX motherboard with the 120W DC powerboard in the E-i3 case.

Even with A6-5400K / 6400K? The power consumption I measured at Prime95 (including a 430W 80 PLUS Bronze) was ~70W.
post #133 of 179
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Even with A6-5400K / 6400K? The power consumption I measured at Prime95 (including a 430W 80 PLUS Bronze) was ~70W.

With the v1.0 of the FM2A75M-ITX, the A6-5400K while sitting in the BIOS topped 84W and 70C in the E-i5 case before it shutdown using a 120W power-board and 84W AC adapter. With the 120W AC adapter it topped 100W. I have no idea about the v2.0 but every single FM2A75M-ITX I used was either DOA, killed the power-board in the case or died itself. So, no, based on that experience I would not recommend an FM2A75M-ITX with an E-i3 or E-i5 case and power-supply. There are plenty of other motherboards that don't behave this way with these cases.
post #134 of 179
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Originally Posted by goodbyegalaxy View Post

Thanks again smile.gif I couldn't find any mini ITX FM2 motherboards with an mSATA slot. It's too bad there's no way to keep the SSD out of the way, even if you're only using one. Think that would be possible if I drilled extra holes or modified the mounting plate? Not looking for promises or anything, just speculation... I may just pick one of these up to play around with.

I think playing around with it is what'll be necessary. Most people aren't willing to play with it and once they see anything over 50C freak out, claim it's defective and want to return it smile.gif. It sounds like you understand what it means to build small.

It's really too bad the AMD Kabini mini-ITX motherboards haven't come out yet. That sounds ideal for this kind of build.
post #135 of 179
Speaking of Kabini, I'm planning a build based on the ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/FM2A88X-ITX+/ in the E-I7. Initially I'll be using an A4 5300 with the factory heat sink until Kabini arrives (and the prices become reasonable ;-). I don't plan to add an optical drive but like the idea of having that option should I change my mind in the future. Instead I want to use a 3-1/2” hard drive for DVR service and 2-1/2” SSD for the system drive. 8GB of RAM and some type of internal IR sensor and perhaps one or two 80mm fans should complete the hardware with W7/WMC doing the control duty’s.

Do you think a 180W power supply board with 120W AC adapter is adequate or should I be looking for something bigger? Also can you recommend an internal IR USB board so I can take advantage of that nifty window :-)

tks,
arny
post #136 of 179
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I haven't tested the ASRock A88X motherboard but the APU you've chosen is very low power. It should be just fine.

There are some issues you'll run into with a 3.5" HDD in the E-i7:
- The CPU cooler will be completely covered by the 3.5" HDD. You have the potential for some heat issues.
- The 3.5" HDD will block one side from adding any 80x25mm fans so you'll need 80x15mm.
- The standard height cooler that comes with the APU won't fit under the 3.5" HDD.

If you can go with a 2.5" HDD for DVR duties, you'll be much better off. A standard 3.5" drive is 25mm tall while 2.5" HDDs are 7mm-12mm tall (you'd be looking at the 12mm ones for 1-2TB).

BTW, only one E-i7 left...
post #137 of 179

I've been looking at the Realan E-I5 case for a new build that I want to do.  My main concern right now is with heat.  For the processor I would like to use this:

 

Intel Core i5-4570S 2.9GHz Max TDP 65W

 

So here is my question I haven't seen anyone with an i5 build in the Realan E-I5 case.  Has anyone done this?  I could really use some recommendations on what Motherboards I can or should use, what CPU fans will fit, what power supply size I need, and suggestions for RAM would be great. 

post #138 of 179

Hello Everyone,

 

I am fairly new here, been mostly just browsing the forums and taking in a lot of knowledge. I stumbled on this post a couple weeks back and wanted to follow up with it. I purchased a E-i7 case from EcoSmart PC about 2 weeks ago and I can't rave enough about how great it is. The case is beautiful, runs very cool and looks great with the rest of the components I have.

 

I built out:

 

Motherboard: ASRock B75M-ITX LGA

CPU: Intel Core i3-3225 HD4000

Memory: Kingston KVR16N11/8 8GB

SSD: Kingston V300S37A/60G

Case Fan: Noctua NF-R8 (running this at 30% power for quietness)

CPU Fan: Dynatron T459 (running this at 30% power for quietness)

Blu Ray: Toshiba TS-TB23 BD-R

 

The system overall was a breeze to put together, there was 2 minor hiccups in the process, my motherboard I thought at first was DOA but after getting in touch with ASRock they were able to provide with some troubleshooting steps that got it up and running, and I was missing the SATA/Power cable for the BD drive so I needed to order that from Amazon.

 

My main goal in the next month or so is to get the HD Home Run Prime (but I am currently waiting on the new 4 Tuner version to be available) and use this PC to power just about everything. My home setup also uses a Drobo FS with 10 TB of storage and I have a Lenovo Q180 but looking to replace it.

 

Just wanted to chime in and say I loved the case, loved the amazing service I received from EcoSmart PC, and I am very happy with my new investment. Currently running XBMC 12.2 with a shared library and soon to be running a PVR client as well.

 

I am now looking in to the E-i3 for a new build.

post #139 of 179
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I've been looking at the Realan E-I5 case for a new build that I want to do.  My main concern right now is with heat.  For the processor I would like to use this:

Intel Core i5-4570S 2.9GHz Max TDP 65W


So here is my question I haven't seen anyone with an i5 build in the Realan E-I5 case.  Has anyone done this?  I could really use some recommendations on what Motherboards I can or should use, what CPU fans will fit, what power supply size I need, and suggestions for RAM would be great. 

65W TDP processors work great in the E-i5, even without a case fan. I've used the Dynatron T459 CPU cooler in that case with 65W processors from the G530 to i3-3225. I believe too there was one customer with an i7-3770S.

If you want to have an internal USB IR receiver and use the front USB ports, ASUS has inexpensive (compared to most) motherboards with 2 x USB2 headers -- H81I-PLUS and H87I-PLUS. Which one to get depends on the features you need (e.g. H87I-PLUS has SPDIF while H81I-PLUS does not).

For an i5, I would get the 120W AC adapter with it. You might be ok with the 84W AC adapter put it's worth a few more dollars to be safe vs. sorry. To compare, the i3-3225 / H77 maxes out around 70W. That leads me to believe the i5 would use a little more and come pretty close to the max of the 84W AC adapter.

For RAM, nothing with a tall heatsink. Crucial, G-Skill or Kingston DDR3-1600 has always worked well for me. If you can find the Crucial Ballistix low-profile RAM those work very well.
post #140 of 179

So a little more information on my build.  There is not too much I need from the motherboard.  I plan on connecting this machine to my TV so I do need the HDMI jack.  Don't really need wireless or bluetooth since I have a network jack behind my TV.  I would like to hook up the front USB ports and I would like to add a IR controller.  If there is a way to turn on or wake up the PC via the IR receiver that would be preferred.  I'm mostly going to use this build to mess around with XBMC which I haven't done anything with before.  I also have some old games I want to play but nothing that requires a lot of power.  Games like the entire Legacy of Kain series.  The i5 I'm picking is probably completely overkill for what I am doing with the machine but I haven't built a machine in over 5 years and want it to be really solid.

 

Here is what I am looking at so far.  StardogChampion I liked your suggestion of the H87I-PLUS that just might be the one I go with.  I'm not sure what remote you would buy to go with this and whether it can power on or wake up the machine.

 

I saw this one on Asus too but not sure what the benefits this one would have over the H87I-PLUS

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z87IDELUXE/

 

Here are some Gigabyte boards I was looking at:

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4735#ov

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4600#ov

 

Here is an Intel board I saw:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dh77df.html

 

I'm open to other suggestions.  Some of the things that have me leaning towards the H87I-PLUS

All 6 SATA ports are 6Gbs

4 USB 3.0 and 4 USB 2.0 ports on the back

Connections for hooking up the front panel ports

post #141 of 179
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Another motherboard to look at for all the bells-and-whistles is the ASRock Z87E-ITX. It has 2 x USB2 and a CIR header (at least it looks that way on the ASRock site). With the CIR header, you can get a ASRock CIR receiver from Inteset Systems and download the CIR driver from ASRock which will allow you to turn on the HTPC from the off state. It also has an mSATA slot underneath which is great for reducing the clutter and improving the airflow in the case since you don't need a SATA data and power cable.

With the H87I-PLUS, if one of the USB headers maintains power on sleep, you might be able to wake it with the remote by turning on the wake-on-usb function in the BIOS. I have seen that work with Gigabyte boards for sure with the USB power turned on.

The Intel DH77DF is older Ivy Bridge but it too has all the bells-and-whistles for HTPC usage -- CIR header (Intel this time), mSATA, etc. It's just very hard to find these days.

BTW, as far as "overkill" goes -- when you can go to MicroCenter and get a i5-4570 for $160 and the low power usage of even an i7, overkill is more than ever in the eye of the builder. There's no harm in a low-end i5 for $30-50 more than an i3.
post #142 of 179
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Another motherboard to look at for all the bells-and-whistles is the ASRock Z87E-ITX. It has 2 x USB2 and a CIR header (at least it looks that way on the ASRock site). With the CIR header, you can get a ASRock CIR receiver from Inteset Systems and download the CIR driver from ASRock which will allow you to turn on the HTPC from the off state. It also has an mSATA slot underneath which is great for reducing the clutter and improving the airflow in the case since you don't need a SATA data and power cable.

With the H87I-PLUS, if one of the USB headers maintains power on sleep, you might be able to wake it with the remote by turning on the wake-on-usb function in the BIOS. I have seen that work with Gigabyte boards for sure with the USB power turned on.

The Intel DH77DF is older Ivy Bridge but it too has all the bells-and-whistles for HTPC usage -- CIR header (Intel this time), mSATA, etc. It's just very hard to find these days.

BTW, as far as "overkill" goes -- when you can go to MicroCenter and get a i5-4570 for $160 and the low power usage of even an i7, overkill is more than ever in the eye of the builder. There's no harm in a low-end i5 for $30-50 more than an i3.

 

Right now I'm leaning towards the ASRock Z87E-ITX or the ASRock H87M-ITX.  Although I don't see CIR header anywhere in the manual for these boards I do see a spot where it says it can wake on USB keyboard ore remote control.

 

With  the H87I-Plus I can't find anywhere stating it can wake on USB so I'm a little leary.

 

I hear you I live near a McroCenter and it's a great price.

post #143 of 179
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The problem with the H87M-ITX is it only has 1 USB header so you can't hookup both an internal USB IR receiver and front USB ports. The picture of the Z87E-ITX on the ASRock site shows the CIR header but for all I know they used a picture of the Z77E-ITX smile.gif.

If you go Ivy Bridge/LGA1155 then all the ASRock boards have the CIR header.

Since you're near MicroCenter maybe the i5-4670K/ASRock Z87E-ITX combination with reduced multiplier to bring yourself under 100W max.
post #144 of 179
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The problem with the H87M-ITX is it only has 1 USB header so you can't hookup both an internal USB IR receiver and front USB ports. The picture of the Z87E-ITX on the ASRock site shows the CIR header but for all I know they used a picture of the Z77E-ITX smile.gif.

If you go Ivy Bridge/LGA1155 then all the ASRock boards have the CIR header.

Since you're near MicroCenter maybe the i5-4670K/ASRock Z87E-ITX combination with reduced multiplier to bring yourself under 100W max.

 

Good catch on the H87M-ITX I completely missed that.  I looked at the picture again for the Z87E-ITX and that does look like a CIR header.  I checked the manual again and it doesn't say anything about it or even show that extra row of pins.  I'm going to go with the Z87E-ITX it seems to be the best candidate.  Even if it ends up not being a CIR header at least I know it supports Power on via USB.  

 

Thanks for your help.

post #145 of 179
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You're welcome!
post #146 of 179

Starting to get parts in for this build.  I received the Dynatron T459 cooler today.  Do you think it would be worth it to replace the thermal paste or should I just use what they included with the cooler?

post #147 of 179
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I always use the included paste and it's never been a problem.
post #148 of 179
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I always use the included paste and it's never been a problem.

Replacing thermal paste usually only matters in extreme (overclocking) conditions. In which case you'd probably need to take a hammer to your CPU first (seriously) and de-lid it.

+1 I am with stardog. On basic builds stock thermal compound is sufficient.
post #149 of 179
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Good catch on the H87M-ITX I completely missed that.  I looked at the picture again for the Z87E-ITX and that does look like a CIR header.  I checked the manual again and it doesn't say anything about it or even show that extra row of pins.  I'm going to go with the Z87E-ITX it seems to be the best candidate.  Even if it ends up not being a CIR header at least I know it supports Power on via USB.  

Thanks for your help.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Z87E-ITX does not have a CIR header. I've had the board since ~July. I was hoping the same thing you were from the website, but on the board itself, there's no header wired there. Plus, there's nothing in the firmware settings for it either.

That's my biggest disappointment with the board (just make sure you update the UEFI firmware to something higher than 1.80; 1.80 and earlier versions didn't like my RAM at 1.35V).
Edited by jhoff80 - 12/12/13 at 8:14am
post #150 of 179
Looking to make a PC for my parents, my goal is to go as small as possible with a DVD drive. Other specs: probably a Haswell i3, a SSD plus an HDD for storage if I can fit it in there. Realan E-I7 looks like the perfect case, but they seem to be out of stock everywhere. Any other alternatives? Small footprint is more important than height so the flat PVR-looking ones are out.
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