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post #151 of 179
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If you want to PM me I can help you get one.
post #152 of 179

Yeah the Z87E-ITX I received is the same way there is a spot on the board where you would think there would be a CIR header but nothing is there.  I e-mailed ASRock about and they just wrote back "Unfortunately, this mainboard does not support CIR function."

 

But as long as you have the bios set to wake on usb keyboard or remote then the Inteset Internal USB receiver is able to wake the PC from sleep or hibernate which I am good with.  

 

The build has been great I have been seeing CPU temps steady around 40 to 45 degrees celsius for average video streaming and old games.

 

Final Parts List I Used:

E-i5 mini-ITX HTPC computer case with upgraded 120W Power Supply from Ecosmartpc.com

ASRock Z87E-ITX Motherboard

Intel I5-4570S

Dynatron T459 Low Profile CPU Cooler

8GB Crucial Ballistix

Inteset Internal Infrared Receiver

Western Digital WD32000BEKT (It was laying around)

Windows 8.1 Pro

post #153 of 179
Thinking about using one of these for my AMD A10 7850K Kaveri HTPC. I have patriot viper low profile ram on an Asrock FM2A88X-ITX current running with stock amd cooler. I was thinking of fitting the Scythe Big Shuriken 2 Rev.B cpu cooler to the apu. I have one intel 120GB SSD

Just looking for advice on which one of the realan cases would suit my needs in terms of thermals, compatibility & colour I prefer black. I don't have an ODD, thats in my microserver.

I am in the UK so if you could point me in the direction of a uk seller that would be good smile.gif
post #154 of 179

I use a CPU with a Max TDP of 65W in my Realan E-i5 case and temps seem to stay cool.  Their cases are pretty small so I probably would try not to go much higher in wattage than that in my opinion.

post #155 of 179
Finished the E-I7 build, here's what I went with:

CPU: Intel Core i3 4330 Dual Core 3.5GHZ
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i
RAM: 8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport
Hard Drive: Plextor 128GB mSATA SSD
Motherboard: ASRock Z87E-ITX Mini ITX
Case: Realan E-I7 + USB 3.0 Upgrade
Power Supply: 12V 180W DC / 12V 7A (120W) AC Adapter

I just wanted to make a nice quiet PC for my parents and thought it would be cool if it was really small too. My parents wanted a disc drive so I went with the E-I7.



The case actually turned out to be quite roomy, once I tucked the cables away the little motherboard almost looked lonely in there!

The NH-L9i is a fine cooler, the PC is practically silent and runs at 28-30C under normal use. I was a little bit scared putting it on since it looks like you're going to crush some caps on the motherboard, but there is one orientation that works. I went with an mSATA SSD (which mounts on the bottom of this motherboard), but the removable 2.5" drive bay beneath the disc drive bay actually still fits with this cooler so I could have gone with a regular 2.5" SSD.

All set up:



Next project, an A8-7600 HTPC/Steambox for myself!
post #156 of 179
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Nice! Congratulations on your build!

Happily, I just got new stock in these. I also got a new USB front panel that has dual USB3. I also have some new IR receivers that are RC6 compatible and with a motherboard that supplies power to the USB header when off can even turn the PC on. The front panel power switch lead is routed through the IR receiver. It works great with the Gigabyte boards I tried thanks to their USB charging feature they maintain power to the USB header when the PC is off.
post #157 of 179
Hello goodbyegalaxy and StardogChampion !

That's funny I have the exact same setup as goodbyegalaxy and ended up mounting the fan the other way (exhaust to the side).



Can you tell me the reason that you mounted it this way ? For me the RAM is blocking the exhaust this way.

I had to put the Noctua in "Silent" as in the "Standard" mode it was really too loud. Did you also use the "Silent" mode ? Maybe I have ears to sensitive ;-)

So far the Z87E-ITX is performing correctly, except that when shutting down, it is automatically starting up again. I've checked the BIOS and I haven't activated any of the automatic startup on any event.

Cheers !
post #158 of 179
Hey SaintGermain, the reason I picked that orientation is that it really looked like the only way it would fit to me, but if you got it down a different way without touching the capacitors or the power phase thingy should be fine. I actually would have preferred to have the fins opening the other way as well, but I kind of followed this picture from Noctua (for a different motherboard, but it has the exhaust facing the RAM as well so I thought that would be fine).

I did not use Silent mode - do you get that by using the special cable provided with the fan? Even without that this PC was barely audible to me (and still MUCH quieter than my other PC).

Can't help you with the automatically starting up problem, that hasn't happened to me, sorry.
post #159 of 179
Indeed every pictures I have seen have the exhaust going to the front and the rear.
As you can see on my picture, I haven't got any problem installing it the other way without touching anything.

For the "silent" mode, it's a feature in the BIOS. Using the special cable has the same effect. Without this, the fan is too loud (like a little fan in the real world).

We can make a video to compare if you can ?
With a reference sound, like a little tap of the finger on the table ?

That would be nice !

Anyway I am looking at a sound meter to measure dB (or dBA ?) in order to play with different components to have the most quiet PC.

Cheers !
post #160 of 179
Well the PC is at my parents' house and I won't be back there for a while. I do have a dB reader in this app "Smart Tools" on my phone - not sure how accurate it is but I can give it a shot next time I'm there.
post #161 of 179
That would be good !

Thanks
post #162 of 179
By the way could you also enter in the BIOS at startup and check the processor temperature and the fan speed ?

As we have the exact same setup, it will be interesting to compare.
For instance I am not sure that I have applied the thermal paste, correctly.

Thanks !
post #163 of 179
Sure, but like I said I prob won't be at my parents' again too soon since I don't live close to them. I had hwmonitor open when I was setting it all up and the temp was 29-30C.
post #164 of 179
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I can't get over how much cooler the Haswell mini-ITX setups seem to be running. 29-30C is amazing. I was happy with 40C-50C in these cases.
post #165 of 179
With the exact same setup as goodbyegalaxy, I got 35-40 °C at startup (temperature given by the BIOS utility). With the fan working high and loudly.
It would be interesting to see what is happening here.
post #166 of 179

Hi guys, this is my forst post here, so hello to everybody :)

 

 

I would like to now, if somebody already tried to mount the Intel boxed-cooler when using the E-i7.

Does somebody know, if it fits in there?

 

Do you alternatively have an recommendation concerning coolers, than can be mounted in addition with RAM-modules that have heatspreaders? (Corsair Vengeance)

Or is it just impossible?

 

Thanks for you help and greetings from Germany,

 

 

Gonzberg

post #167 of 179
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Hi guys, this is my forst post here, so hello to everybody smile.gif


I would like to now, if somebody already tried to mount the Intel boxed-cooler when using the E-i7.
Does somebody know, if it fits in there?

Do you alternatively have an recommendation concerning coolers, than can be mounted in addition with RAM-modules that have heatspreaders? (Corsair Vengeance)
Or is it just impossible?

Thanks for you help and greetings from Germany,


Gonzberg

It depends on what you want to put inside. Will you be using an optical drive and/or 3.5" HDD and/or 2.5" HDD? What you plan to install will affect what height cooler you can afford.
post #168 of 179
I'm surprised no one is using this board, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135363, would be perfect for an HTPC, and perfect for this case. I bought the E-I7 some time ago, but the PSU was too flaky for my older I3-550 motherboard, so I've been jone'sing for a reason to build a new rig, but I just don't need one yet, I've been eyeing this MB for a while now and it would be perfect, low voltage, low heat,but I'd have to get a nocta 40MM fan, but other than that, I could not imagine a better MB for this case running HTPC duty.
post #169 of 179
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FWIW, the E-i7 that I get now have an upgraded 180W all-solid caps power-board that's much better than the older 120W power-board that used to come with the E-i7.

I too have been eyeing that motherboard wondering how it would do for a Steambox.

This motherboard/CPU combo is my first choice when building a basic HTPC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128679
post #170 of 179
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FWIW, the E-i7 that I get now have an upgraded 180W all-solid caps power-board that's much better than the older 120W power-board that used to come with the E-i7.

I too have been eyeing that motherboard wondering how it would do for a Steambox.

This motherboard/CPU combo is my first choice when building a basic HTPC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128679

How can I get the upgraded 180W all-solid caps power-board? Agree that is a good board for the price. Pass mark is the same as the Dual core E5200 I was using up until recently, lol, that was 65w TDP, but wonder how it will do if using the onboard GPU. Does it pass the Netflix test?
Edited by dbailey75 - 2/5/14 at 8:57am
post #171 of 179
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It depends on what you want to put inside. Will you be using an optical drive and/or 3.5" HDD and/or 2.5" HDD? What you plan to install will affect what height cooler you can afford.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

I want to use this case as a fileserver/NAS, but it should be capable to be used as a HTPC later on.

For the fileserver, I dont need an optical drive, so I would go for 2x 3,5" HDDs or a 3,5" (files) and a 2,5" (OS), if 2x3,5" wont fit in.

 

When it comes to the HTPC-usage, I would like to install an optical drive and 2x 2,5" drives.

post #172 of 179
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How can I get the upgraded 180W all-solid caps power-board?

Feel free to contact me about it. I am happy to help. [Edit: email sent]
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Agree that is a good board for the price. Pass mark is the same as the Dual core E5200 I was using up until recently, lol, that was 65w TDP, but wonder how it will do if using the onboard GPU. Does it pass the Netflix test?

Yes, even the Celeron 847 (Sandy Bridge) passes the Netflix test. The CPU runs around 90%. For other uses, the C847 has Intel HD2000-based GPU. The Celeron C10x7U (Ivy Bridge) GPU is based on the Intel HD2500 and the CPU is much faster than the C847. I haven't tested the CPU usage with Netflix on the C10x7U but other interactions are much faster than the C847 which was decent enough.
Edited by StardogChampion - 2/5/14 at 9:23am
post #173 of 179
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Thanks for your feedback.

I want to use this case as a fileserver/NAS, but it should be capable to be used as a HTPC later on.
For the fileserver, I dont need an optical drive, so I would go for 2x 3,5" HDDs or a 3,5" (files) and a 2,5" (OS), if 2x3,5" wont fit in.

When it comes to the HTPC-usage, I would like to install an optical drive and 2x 2,5" drives.

While technically 2 x 3.5" will fit, heat is going to be a big issue unless you are running something like an Atom processor.

2 x 2.5" can be done with an optical drive if one of them is an SSD. You can mount an SSD vertically on the side of the mounting plate with one screw or make a simple mod to attach it with two screws or just mount it anywhere with some velcro/double-sided tape. Or, better yet, get a motherboard with mSATA -- no wires, no fuss, no muss.
post #174 of 179
It is possible to have 2*2.5" regular hard-drive + Slim ODD but it requires either:
- mount one horizontally and one vertically on the left and forget the PCIe expansion card
- mount one horizontally and one vertically on the far left or far right but requires to drill an additional hole
- modify the upper metal plate to hold 2*2.5" horizontally (if you have an slim CPU fan)

Hope this helps
post #175 of 179
Thanks for your reply!

No, I dont plan to build in an Atom, I was thinking about an G1820 + undervolting.
So 2x3,5" seems to be a challenge, concerning the thermal behavior.

Is it possible to mount a 3,5" HDD in combination with a 2,5"?
What do you think about the heat? Nearly the same heat issue as with the 2x 3,5" HDDs?

What is the maximum height for a cpu-cooler, when 2x 2,5" HDDs and an ODD are installed in top?

Thank you for your support!smile.gif
Edited by Gonzberg - 2/5/14 at 10:49pm
post #176 of 179
Hi,

I'm thinking of putting together a build to replace my aging old core 2 duo machine from 2007. I really like the E-I7 with the slot loading optical drive. The build is going to be almost entirely an HTPC for media consumption. I will be playing back media stored on a server. This includes recorded TV, bluray 2d and 3d, various online streamed video and audio, and other locally stored audio. The computer will be connected to a panasonic ST50 plasma TV and an denon AVR. I've been reading and going a bit crazy trying to decide what processor to use, specifically either intel Haswell or AMD (Richland/Kaveri) APU. I welcome all opinions on this front. Though I probably won't make use of it, I recognize that the AMD APUs may (or definitely depending who you listen to) perform admirably for game playback in steam. This is a low priority item, its not really a priority, but if it won't otherwise impact the stability/functionality/size of the build, being able to play steam may get me to go AMD over intel. That said, here are my thoughts on components:

SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-MTE120BW 120GB mSATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model BLT2KIT4G3D1869DT1TX0

If Intel (note, I can get this combo at microcenter for a decent price):
ASRock Z87E-ITX LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel I217V Lan 802.11ac WiFi Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i3-4340 Haswell 3.6GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600 BX80646I34340

If AMD:
ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ FM2+ / FM2 AMD A88X (Bolton D4) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX AMD Motherboard
AMD A8-6500 Richland 4.1GHz Socket FM2 65W

I would put this in an E-I7 with a slot loading BD-ROM.

When are the Kaveri chips going to be available? Is it even worth waiting for them?

I realize this is a bit overkill for what I need. I want to be certain that 3d playback is fine, and I don't mind spending a bit more for the extra power. That said, I also don't want to suffer temperature problems either.
post #177 of 179
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Until the A8-7600 arrives, the best bet currently for E-i7 is Haswell. Trinity/Richland runs very warm. It can be done but it requires extra cooling. The CoolerMaster 80mm x 15mm fans work well.

For the i3-4340 I recommend the 120W AC adapter.

You will also need a low-profile CPU cooler. The Dynatron T450 works well on a budget and there's always the Noctua NH-L9i which works very well.

Since the E-i7 has a low-profile expansion slot, there's also the possibility of adding a discrete GPU in the future. The internal powerboard will handle up to a 180W AC adapter.
post #178 of 179
Thanks!! That was something I was worried about, and with all the debates between these two processors its never clear if the extra heat from AMD will be problematic or not.

Are there any downsides to getting the 4340 vs the 4130 aside from the $30 price difference?

How careful do I need to be about memory with heat spreaders contacting components in the build?

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Until the A8-7600 arrives, the best bet currently for E-i7 is Haswell. Trinity/Richland runs very warm. It can be done but it requires extra cooling. The CoolerMaster 80mm x 15mm fans work well.

For the i3-4340 I recommend the 120W AC adapter.

You will also need a low-profile CPU cooler. The Dynatron T450 works well on a budget and there's always the Noctua NH-L9i which works very well.

Since the E-i7 has a low-profile expansion slot, there's also the possibility of adding a discrete GPU in the future. The internal powerboard will handle up to a 180W AC adapter.

Edited by bbig119 - 4/8/14 at 8:08pm
post #179 of 179
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Thanks!! That was something I was worried about, and with all the debates between these two processors its never clear if the extra heat from AMD will be problematic or not.

Are there any downsides to getting the 4340 vs the 4130 aside from the $30 price difference?

How careful do I need to be about memory with heat spreaders contacting components in the build?

From what I've read, I haven't done a direct comparison, the i3-4340 is only slightly faster than the i3-4130. You won't notice a difference for HTPC duties and maybe a couple of FPS for games. I'd say you'd be better off getting the cheaper CPU and using the money for a better/bigger SSD, more memory or even towards a discrete GPU.

The A8-6500 can work as long as you add a couple of 80mm fans. What I don't trust is the ASRock FM2+ motherboard after having such a bad time with the FM2A75M-ITX. Every PC I built, half-a-dozen or so, with that motherboard failed either right away or within 3 months. On the flip-side the FM1 A75M-ITX was wonderful. AMD definitely runs hotter but it's a problem that can be solved with more fans, a better CPU cooler such as the NH-L9a, etc. And, just an awareness that when things are running around 60C it's expected.

The heat spreaders really depends on the CPU cooler you end up using. The stock cooler, the Dynatron or the Noctua are not supposed to interfere with them.
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