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post #61 of 179
i just swapped out my a6-5400k for an a10-5700 in my e-i7. My CPU package temps did not improve. i have three fans running exhaust, and am using the Noctua NH-L9a (37mm tall); i also hooked up a scythe Kozuti (40mm tall). The Scythe perhaps reduced the temps by one degree, but i am still running 46-48 at idle. Stardog, you mentioned seeing 35C at idle, was this the CPU package temperature? Could i be running too many exhaust fans? I can't imagine that the Noctua or Kozuti would cool less than the stock cooler. I am using the MSI FM2-A75IA-E53 motherboard; did you install the new bios?
post #62 of 179
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i just swapped out my a6-5400k for an a10-5700 in my e-i7. My CPU package temps did not improve. i have three fans running exhaust, and am using the Noctua NH-L9a (37mm tall); i also hooked up a scythe Kozuti (40mm tall). The Scythe perhaps reduced the temps by one degree, but i am still running 46-48 at idle. Stardog, you mentioned seeing 35C at idle, was this the CPU package temperature? Could i be running too many exhaust fans? I can't imagine that the Noctua or Kozuti would cool less than the stock cooler. I am using the MSI FM2-A75IA-E53 motherboard; did you install the new bios?

I did not update the BIOS, no. I just had the one exhaust and the stock cooler (which is totally bizarre that it seems to cool the best). What about trying two fans in a push-pull setup?

When I was getting the 35C idle temps, I had HWInfo running and it was showing the CPU throttling way down. What's your CPU doing at idle?

Also, where do you have your PC? The ones I've built and tested have just been on my desk, no other heat-producing things like receivers, etc. around.

You might also be interested in this thread, also about A10-5700/MSI mini-ITX in the E-i7: http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=144728&pid=1302483#pid1302483
Edited by StardogChampion - 1/18/13 at 5:32am
post #63 of 179
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Which case did you get? E-i5 or E-i7?
For your A6-5400K build, which motherboard are you planning to use? The ASRock FM2A75M-ITX causes big issues for the power supplies in these cases. The MSI and Zotac work fine.

Thanks for the info. Thankfully the asrock was out of stock so I got the msi fm2-a75ia-e53. It's to go in an e-i7 case
post #64 of 179
I am also running HW Monitor. At idle running 46-48C, 14W. I turned off blue tooth; machine is connected to network which could create minor power draw. When i stream hd temps watts range from 30 to 55 and temps 53-56C. Case is on an open shelf with no obstructions, below an LED TV which puts out little or no heat. I was pretty careful with cable management so box is not too cluttered.
post #65 of 179
by the way, i am using the 120W power supply.
post #66 of 179
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by the way, i am using the 120W power supply.

I wonder if that could be the difference. I am using the 180W powerboard not the 120W powerboard. I wonder if the 120W powerboard puts off more heat. The first time I tried the A10-5700 in the E-i7 was in an ASRock FM2A75M-ITX. Just going into the BIOS the power draw shot to over 125W and on the next restart it blew the powerboard. But. the FM2A75M-ITX ruins these powerboards anyway. It sounds like the MSI is much much more behaved. I've gotten good reports on the Zotac A55-ITX too.

That thread I pointed to, that guy has the A10-5700/MSI with the 180W powerboard/150W AC adapter and his temps are similar to mine so that has me wondering about the 120W powerboard heat output. I'll see if I can do some experimenting. I have a couple of MSI boards and a couple of A6-5400Ks.
post #67 of 179
Thank you. I would be curious to hear what you find. Do you know where i can pick up one of the 180w power boards?
post #68 of 179
Hi again , I just got the E-i7 and installed the MSI FM2 motherboard in it. Everything works fine except that when I request a shutdown, windows and the hdd stop normally, but then all the fans start spinning at max speed. Even when I disconnect the 24 pin and 4 pin from the mobo, the molex fans I have connected keep spinning. I think the psu has a problem, has anyone encoutered this before ? (this is not a mobo issue, as even when its disconnected, as soon as I plug in the main lead into the mains, the fans start spinning. )
Edited by Chluz - 1/18/13 at 2:01pm
post #69 of 179
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Hi again , I just got the E-i7 and installed the MSI FM2 motherboard in it. Everything works fine except that when I request a shutdown, windows and the hdd stop normally, but then all the fans start spinning at max speed. Even when I disconnect the 24 pin and 4 pin from the mobo, the molex fans I have connected keep spinning. I think the psu has a problem, has anyone encoutered this before ? (this is not a mobo issue, as even when its disconnected, as soon as I plug in the main lead into the mains, the fans start spinning. )

That sounds very unusual. The CPU fan stops but the molex fans keep going? I would contact support@ecosmartpc.com.
post #70 of 179
Thanks for your help. All fans keep going actually. even if the mobo is completely disconnected, and I just plug in the external power bloc to the psu, the molex fans start spinning even if the psu is not getting an on command (the usual command given by shorting the green and black cable on the 24 pin cable)

I would have bought from you if I was in the us, but I have a local supplier who I have just contacted. He will probably end up exchanging the psu (I hope I don't have to send the whole case in ! )
post #71 of 179
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Thanks for your help. All fans keep going actually. even if the mobo is completely disconnected, and I just plug in the external power bloc to the psu, the molex fans start spinning even if the psu is not getting an on command (the usual command given by shorting the green and black cable on the 24 pin cable)

I would have bought from you if I was in the us, but I have a local supplier who I have just contacted. He will probably end up exchanging the psu (I hope I don't have to send the whole case in ! )

Ah, ok. I hope they are able to get it straightened for you. I have not seen that behavior but it sounds like the PSU is not shutting off. Once you get it straightened come back here with any more questions. I am happy to help.
post #72 of 179
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Thank you. I would be curious to hear what you find. Do you know where i can pick up one of the 180w power boards?

PM me or email me at ecosmartpc.com.
post #73 of 179
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Which case did you get? E-i5 or E-i7?

For your A6-5400K build, which motherboard are you planning to use? The ASRock FM2A75M-ITX causes big issues for the power supplies in these cases. The MSI and Zotac work fine.

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Ah, ok. I hope they are able to get it straightened for you. I have not seen that behavior but it sounds like the PSU is not shutting off. Once you get it straightened come back here with any more questions. I am happy to help.


Thanks. I suspect that there is solder or something short circuiting the green cable and and ground paths on the underside of the psu. I'll take it out tomorrow and have a look, if that's the case it should be pretty obvious.

also, I'm really interested in how you drilled the hole for the ir receiver. As I said I want to use a st-irpb, and was wondering what
you had use to cover the hole.
post #74 of 179
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also, I'm really interested in how you drilled the hole for the ir receiver. As I said I want to use a st-irpb, and was wondering what
you had use to cover the hole.

I ordered it already drilled that way from the manufacturer. For the window, I've been working with a fabricator here in the US. It's just smoked acrylic 1/8" x 10mm.
post #75 of 179
Do you have like a ledge or groove to fix the acrylic on ?
Also I tried out my build with a different psu, and it worked fine. So the Realan psu board is going back in the morning. Jopefully the replacement will work fine smile.gif
Also from my short test, it looks like the cpu (A6-5400K not overclocked) with stock cooler and dvd drive, and the hdd vertical, with two 80mm fans on the right side as exhaust and running very slowly give the following results:
37-40 deg idle
55 degrees under prime (although I only ran it for 5 min)
Edited by Chluz - 1/19/13 at 3:53pm
post #76 of 179
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The window is attached to the inside of the case using an optically transparent tape. In the future, I am going to try to do something different but for now that's how it works.
post #77 of 179
What psu are you using?
post #78 of 179
If you were asking me, I was using a realan 120w lr1005 model. That's the one that wouldn't shut down. I checked it with a seasonic x660
Edited by Chluz - 1/20/13 at 11:59pm
post #79 of 179
Chluz, Thank you. My system works fine with the 120w Realan, but my temps are a bit high.
post #80 of 179
Do you have a optical drive and a 2.5 inch right underneath it? If so you need to put the hdd vertical on the side to give some clearance between the odd and the course fan. That improved my temps by around 5 deg I recall
post #81 of 179
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Chluz, Thank you. My system works fine with the 120w Realan, but my temps are a bit high.

If you bought it from ecosmartpc.com you don't have the LR1005 powerboard, you have the LR1024 powerboard which is a newer model with all solid caps.
post #82 of 179
i purchased my box directly from Realan. I will check the part number.
post #83 of 179
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

If you bought it from ecosmartpc.com you don't have the LR1005 powerboard, you have the LR1024 powerboard which is a newer model with all solid caps.


Now you're making me feel bad about my purchase wink.gif
Serioulsy though, these cases are great for the price. they might be be as well finished as streacom cases, but they're the same size, more space for fans, and much cheaper when you account for the psu. Also I checked out the ecosmartPC barebones, these look sweet !

EDIT :
On another note, I finally figured out that the psu was not the problem, the DC input lead they gave me was wrong. It was a 4 pin lead,which I was plugging into the 4 pin plug of my board. The 4 pin plus actually turns out to be an output, whereas the 2 pin plug I should have been using is the input. More powerfull models use the 4 pin plugs as inputs, hence the confusion.

In any case, I also received the ST-IRPB. stay away from it, its not real eHome drivers and will not work properly with anything. Does anyone know of a good internal ir receiver that works with eHome drivers and RC6 protocol ? or an rf receiver compatible with allinone remote also working with eHome drivers ?
Edited by Chluz - 1/22/13 at 9:26am
post #84 of 179
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Does anyone know of a good internal ir receiver that works with eHome drivers and RC6 protocol ? or an rf receiver compatible with allinone remote also working with eHome drivers ?

I use these guys: http://shop.inteset.com/Category/7-remotes-receivers.aspx for my own HTPC.
post #85 of 179
Thanks. I had a look at them, but it didn't say whether it was ehome devices or not. Is it actually a real ehome device?
post #86 of 179
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Thanks. I had a look at them, but it didn't say whether it was ehome devices or not. Is it actually a real ehome device?

It works with my official MCE remote and my Logitech Harmony using the MCE setting. It supports the Microsoft-Philips RC6 protocol. I've always been under the impression that's one-and-the-same but I can't find a definitive source that says it is to link to. Hopefully someone else can confirm.

Meanwhile, I'll try to remember to look tonight in Device Manager and see if I see this:
(source: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Using_a_Microsoft_remote_control_in_Windows)
Edited by StardogChampion - 1/22/13 at 3:37pm
post #87 of 179
got the replacement cable now, everything is working fine. I did have the issue of the system cpu usage going up when playing videos from a samba share because of an incompatibility with the bridged mode in virtual box and the network drivers. just leaving this here in case anyone else has that issue :-) waiting for the ir receiver from that place you mentioned now, they said it's ehome
post #88 of 179
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Excellent. Glad to hear they took care of you.
post #89 of 179
just tried reconfiguring my ssd (making it vertical); there was no change in temps. I did find that if i drop one fan i get a 1 degree improvement in temps -- certainly no increase. So perhaps three exhaust fans pulls out too much air. With my noctua nh-l9a i have decent headroom over the heatsink. I have a feeling the difference is attributable to the power supply. I do notice that in idle, occasionally the wattage randomly pops from about 13-14 to about 40w and there is a brief temperature surge to the mid to high 50s (celsius). All i can think is that the power supply allow some periodic surges. I would not think that my configuration is stressing the power supply so much; the one you are using must be more consistent and generate less heat.
Edited by derwin424 - 2/2/13 at 8:58am
post #90 of 179
even with the top off and the drive bay (with the ODD and SSD) tilted up to allow wide open breathing room, my temps don't fall below 43-44. So, i have to attribute the difference to the psu.
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