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post #31 of 89
A. I'm from the continental divide...love to cross it;
B. "seems" is the key word.

post #32 of 89
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Well, it has finally begun. After a lengthy contractor selection process I picked a local custom home residential home contractor. I never thought this would be so difficult because everyone offered a unique advantage. The HT specialty group in town didn't have an electrician and wanted me to get my own and it just didn't seem too professional. The young hungry guy would have saved me a bit of money but that would have been lost on therapy sessions for the additional stress ! I'm just not into that level of supervision to save some money. I was almost sure I'd go with Dennis but after several long conversations with my wife, we both realized that we placed a value on someone local who we could see often and if need be, drive to his office, have him come back if problems arise later, etc. I know that Dennis would also troubleshoot and come out again if necessary but having that person in the same city resonated with us. To each his own and I appreciate everyone's input in this process.

The work starts tomorrow.

Color theme : Red, black and gold (GOM - Red Delicious for the recessed arches, GOM - black for the front wall, black and gold leaf pattern for the carpet)

Seats - Palliser Pacifico
I don't recall the exact leather but it will be a shade of red

I've got a JVC X70RBU with a fixed anamorphic lens and a Denon 4311CI and Lumagen MiniRadience. Other stuff still pending.

Demo pix are on photobucket http://s1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/LamboHT/

As work begins, I get the pictures coming ! After years and years.....it's finally here !
Edited by Bitten by HT - 7/21/12 at 8:22pm
post #33 of 89
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DAY 1 : June 25

I was at work all day and missed it all but when I came back, I was pleased to see that the load bearing wall was removed and the supporting beam was put in place.



There was an additional wall placed about 19" behind the theater wall to house the projector. The plan calls for the projector to extend behind the back wall. The entertainment niche on the opposite side of the back wall was pulled out completely.


I also had the pleasure of being completely overwhelmed picking out a sconce at Universal Lights. Luckily, my wife made the initial trip and narrowed down the choices for me.



WHAT I LEARNED

When hiring a company, listen carefully to their responses to your requests.

When I was interviewing the HT specialty contractor in Houston, he saw that the plan called for building a new wall and moving the entertainment cabinet. He told me to just build another one because "they usually just break apart when you try to move them". He didn't say "I'll have to get a carpenter to look at it to make sure we can do this properly and get back with you". This is the same one who told me to get my own electrician because they didn't have one.

Make sure the advice you take is based on your needs and not the other person's needs.

Someone in the construction/inspection/real estate business told me repeatedly that I need to place the structural beam below the ceiling because it's much easier and then went into great detail about how difficult and expensive it would be to cut through the joists and put the beam at the same level as the joists. He already knew what I wanted but his advice was based on his comfort level. There was no structural advantage to his plan but it made him feel more comfortable. He went on to tell me that putting the beam the way I wanted would take a week. It took a day.
Edited by Bitten by HT - 7/21/12 at 8:26pm
post #34 of 89
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DAY 3 : June 27

Most of the framing is done and the electrical crew/low voltage crew came in. Since our home was pre-wired for whole house audio, we never took advantage of it so now was the time to make sure a few speakers were thrown in and the existing wires were utilized. Can't believe I just never took the time/energy to use them. I went by someone's house the other day and he commented about his carpet and said "that's just how the house came when I bought it". That was my attitude exactly.

WHAT I LEARNED

Make sure the guy pulling the networking/cable wires knows what they will be used for

The guy who was actually pulling the wires was not the main AV installer. As he was pulling them, I asked how many Cat 5/RG 6 lines he was pulling. I told him that we would have 3 DirecTV receiver and each one takes 2 RG6 lines. If I weren't there as that was happening then that detail would have been missed. You can never have too much communication !

You probably know the plans better than they do

Let's face it, this is your only plan. You've dreamed about it, drew it on napkins, thought about it for months or years even and now it's finally official. Every page, every inch, every detail is mapped out. Your contractors have looked at it and studied it but you've spent way more time with it. Don't assume they know all the details as well as you do. The drywall furring channel arrived for install the next day but they did not have the hemmed edge that was required. The only reason I caught that was because I was about to order the channel myself a few weeks back and learned that some companies stock the flat edge channels and others stock both the hemmed edge and flat edge.
post #35 of 89
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Originally Posted by Bitten by HT View Post

Since our home was pre-wired for whole house audio, we never took advantage of it so now was the time to make sure a few speakers were thrown in and the existing wires were utilized. Can't believe I just never took the time/energy to use them.

Ah, we didn't have a chance to talk about that topic when you were here. I would have told you the same thing! I use mine at least every day...

More pictures!!!! And have you see the other Houston threads recently? We're going to have to organize a tour once the rest of 'ya get finished!

Jeff
post #36 of 89
What happen to day two? And of course pictures?


Sent from my iPad
post #37 of 89
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DAY 6: June 30

There are several days where I didn't post anything because nothing happened. The first day alloted for drywall was delayed because the furring channel that arrived had a flat edge instead of the hemmed edge. Today was the shelf day. Usually there is no work scheduled for Saturday but the guys who built a projector shelf came in on Saturday to knock that out.

The projector will be in an enclosed space behind the theater's back wall.



Here is a view from inside the theater



and one from outside the theater of the shelf area.



Got the sconces the other day.


The sconce is 36" tall which will take up a good portion of the arch panel. The sconce in the plan is shown at 12".


Edited by Bitten by HT - 7/21/12 at 8:30pm
post #38 of 89
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I haven't seen any Houston threads but I haven't looked lately. I didn't realize how many were out here. I'd love to check out some other local theaters too. Interested in seeing how other people use their theaters. I've heard of some people making a DVD that counts down to movie time and has trivia, black and white cartoons, etc to keep people entertained for a few minutes. I can't wait to start getting into that kinda stuff too.
post #39 of 89
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Color Choices

I had a basic idea of what I wanted but I'm pretty challenged when it comes to putting it all together. My wife is an interior designer and she pulls stuff together that I just can't see until it's all done. I'm the kind of person that needs a color 3D drawing to "see" it while she just has it in her head. I usually assume that everything needs to match perfectly while she will show me how different shades of the same color can blend even better. I'll look at carpet and think "that looks nice" without really thinking of the rest of the room while she will look at the pattern in the carpet and show how it uses the same sense of "movement" that the sconce carries. Let's just say that I'm grateful to have a wife that is much more creative than me ! If we get really fancy we might faux paint the exposed area of the walls and ceiling.

Side elevation

Seats : Palliser Pacifico
Color : Bronco Cerise grade 3000 leather

Walls : Arch panel GOM Anchorage Red Delicious
Area between arches painted black
Screen wall GOM Anchorage Onyx

Carpet : Kane Carpet Family Ritual Domain with a black border at the perimeter

Sconce : Picture

Ceiling : Milano blue ?? There will be a coffered ceiling.

We're going to do something funky with the outside of the theater door. She's got one of those "visions" ! It usually turns out really well when she does.
post #40 of 89
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Originally Posted by Bitten by HT View Post

I haven't seen any Houston threads but I haven't looked lately. I didn't realize how many were out here. I'd love to check out some other local theaters too. Interested in seeing how other people use their theaters. I've heard of some people making a DVD that counts down to movie time and has trivia, black and white cartoons, etc to keep people entertained for a few minutes. I can't wait to start getting into that kinda stuff too.

Well, you're already aware of mine, but Trek's is also complete:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417602/home-theater-pics

And Spaceman's over the hump:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1202525/spaceman-theater-build

Those are two more active threads for Houston!

Jeff
post #41 of 89
An oldy but goody ... also in Houston.

400

555

Secret attic access ...

700
post #42 of 89
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

An oldy but goody ... also in Houston.
400
555
Secret attic access ...
700

One word......WOW ! Outstanding design. Dennis, are they on the forum ?
post #43 of 89
We took the roof off the house and changed the gables to put this in the attic. I'd say it's within a 10-15 mile radius of where you are at. smile.gif
post #44 of 89
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One word......WOW ! Outstanding design. Dennis, are they on the forum ?

Here's a little info on that one:

http://www.hometheater.com/content/through-roof
post #45 of 89
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DAY 8 & 9

Furring channels went up and double layers of drywall installed.



I can already sense that strange dampening effect when you close the door and feel cut off from the noise of the outside world. I was encouraged to see the contractor bring the printed instructions from the Soundproofing Company for the installation of the Whisper Clips. He already explained the process of using Green Glue and Whisper clips and brought the instructions for the laborers as a reference. That actually gives me more confidence. As a physician there are times that I go back to reference material to make sure that I don't make a simple mistake with writing prescriptions or ordering tests. I'd rather risk being perceived as "unsure of himself" yet correct in my practice than seen as a confident know-it-all who makes simple yet costly mistakes. I know he hasn't done 200 theaters just like this so I expect that he'll make frequent references to the plans and instructions.

Question.....How do you respond to the question "So how much did this cost ?" from people that see your theater ?

A. None of your business !
B. Some people like fancy imported sports cars, I just chose to get a home theater that everyone can enjoy.
C. I hope you liked the movie. How are the kids ?
D. Why do you ask ? I can point you to a designer who can help you design one.
E. If you have to ask, you can't afford it !

I guess it mainly depends on who is asking and why. A fellow enthusiast may need some direction and inspiration (D) while a collegue may like it, afford it but wants a basic idea of the cost to get inspired (B) and a neighbor who has very little interest in HT just wants to gossip (A or C).

How do you handle that question ?
Edited by Bitten by HT - 7/21/12 at 8:33pm
post #46 of 89
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DAY 8 & 9
Furring channels went up and double layers of drywall installed. I can already sense that strange dampening effect when you close the door and feel cut off from the noise of the outside world. I was encouraged to see the contractor bring the printed instructions from the Soundproofing Company for the installation of the Whisper Clips. He already explained the process of using Green Glue and Whisper clips and brought the instructions for the laborers as a reference. That actually gives me more confidence. As a physician there are times that I go back to reference material to make sure that I don't make a simple mistake with writing prescriptions or ordering tests. I'd rather risk being perceived as "unsure of himself" yet correct in my practice than seen as a confident know-it-all who makes simple yet costly mistakes. I know he hasn't done 200 theaters just like this so I expect that he'll make frequent references to the plans and instructions.
Question.....How do you respond to the question "So how much did this cost ?" from people that see your theater ?
A. None of your business !
B. Some people like fancy imported sports cars, I just chose to get a home theater that everyone can enjoy.
C. I hope you liked the movie. How are the kids ?
D. Why do you ask ? I can point you to a designer who can help you design one.
E. If you have to ask, you can't afford it !
I guess it mainly depends on who is asking and why. A fellow enthusiast may need some direction and inspiration (D) while a collegue may like it, afford it but wants a basic idea of the cost to get inspired (B) and a neighbor who has very little interest in HT just wants to gossip (A or C).
How do you handle that question ?

If it is the neighbor, I would probably laugh and say "a pretty penny, but it was worth it."

Sometimes it is hard to tell if the person is actually interested in home theaters or just trying to gossip.
post #47 of 89
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Question.....How do you respond to the question "So how much did this cost ?" from people that see your theater ?

a) About a pool or so - but not nearly as much maintenance...
b) Less than the Ferrari I was looking at
c) More than I told the better half
d) Which part? The room or the gear?
e) Let's just say the kids are going to Lone Star now instead of A&M...
post #48 of 89
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

a) About a pool or so - but not nearly as much maintenance...
b) Less than the Ferrari I was looking at
c) More than I told the better half
d) Which part? The room or the gear?
e) Let's just say the kids are going to Lone Star now instead of A&M...

The key is getting the kids through school first, then build the dedicated theater!!

If my room build is anywhere near my daughter' tuition/room & board for one year................well, I'll be happy!!!!! smile.gif
post #49 of 89
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Originally Posted by Bitten by HT View Post

Question.....How do you respond to the question "So how much did this cost ?" from people that see your theater ?
A. None of your business !
B. Some people like fancy imported sports cars, I just chose to get a home theater that everyone can enjoy.
C. I hope you liked the movie. How are the kids ?
D. Why do you ask ? I can point you to a designer who can help you design one.
E. If you have to ask, you can't afford it !
I guess it mainly depends on who is asking and why. A fellow enthusiast may need some direction and inspiration (D) while a collegue may like it, afford it but wants a basic idea of the cost to get inspired (B) and a neighbor who has very little interest in HT just wants to gossip (A or C).
How do you handle that question ?

I always say something outrageous, like $750,000. biggrin.gif

And if the guy is genuinely interested, you can tell and actually talk to him about it. wink.gif
post #50 of 89
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DAY 23 : July 17

Things slowed down somewhat. From several days of heavy rains to supply delays to a few communication hiccups, it's finally starting to pick up again. The coffered ceiling (first and second) is underway and some of the drywall outside the theater is being painted. The 400lb crate of Quest Acoustical fiberglass arrived today by 18 wheeler. I wasn't at home so my wife signed for it and it took a little persuading to get the driver and a local lawn maintenance guy to help push this up an incline driveway on a pallet fork lift. They put it in the garage just before the rain started all over again. Close call.
post #51 of 89
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DAY 27 : July 21

Coffered ceilings are complete. Very interesting to see how it's done. I just pictured making some beams and then nailing/screwing them to the ceiling. I think I'll stick to my day job. There will be rope lighting in the ceiling tray when it's all done.

Initial strips of wood put on ceiling.


Then boards attached to those strips in a box shape.



The floor has been laid with Serenity Mat 3/4" rubber underlayment with a layer of plywood. DA5 adhesive was used to adhere the mat to the concrete slab and to the plywood.

The riser was completed with a conduit leading back to the equipment rack.




The arch pattern for the walls is almost complete as well.


The chairs arrived from Canada as well (Palliser) but are still at the store because I just can't see stuffing 7 chairs in the living room right now. I'll just have to hold off having them delivered.

I've been working a lot lately so I come home and see different stages already complete. I can't quite get all of the detailed step by step pictures.wink.gif
Edited by Bitten by HT - 7/21/12 at 8:38pm
post #52 of 89
Pictures??
post #53 of 89
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I put links in the anchor text like "coffered ceilings", "riser" and "arch pattern". It leads to the photobucket album with all the pictures.
post #54 of 89
The sconces are not mounted correctly .... need to use surface mount boxes to avoid big holes in your isolation shell. Remember, the finished surface of the wall will be two inches out from the drywall surface. (Don't know why the photo rotated 90 degrees.

post #55 of 89
I'm glad you asked about people asking about how much it cost. I won't have a home to build a HT for about 2-3 years, but I'm already reading as much as possible and trying to learn from build threads, so when I'm ready I have at least a small idea of what I want.

The problem is, that it is hard to figure out exactly how much something like this cost. It's not terribly difficult to figure out a budget for the electronic side of things, but then you get into the building side and that's a different story. But I assume in a couple years when I am starting my Ill be able to price out how much it'd cost to build what I want on my own compared to talking to someone like Dennis or a local HT company to put it together for me.
post #56 of 89
Do you have any more detailed photos of Dennis's coffered ceiling. I am trying to build a similar ceiling.

Or, Dennis do you have any info on the ceiling that you would be willing to share. Thanks.
post #57 of 89
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Dennis, Is it too late to change since the holes were already made in the drywall ?
post #58 of 89
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Do you have any more detailed photos of Dennis's coffered ceiling. I am trying to build a similar ceiling.
Or, Dennis do you have any info on the ceiling that you would be willing to share. Thanks.







post #59 of 89
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Pictures??

I'm so used to linking by highlighting the anchor text and then pasting the URL. Thanks for the heads up on the pictures. It is so much easier to just see the picture instead of click a link to see them.

I'm going back to the prior posts to update them and include the pictures.
post #60 of 89
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Dennis, Is it too late to change since the holes were already made in the drywall ?
I most cases no ... you pull the box and patch the drywall. In this case, it appears to be too late since the wires look to be stripped and cut too short. None-the-less, you'll need to something similar. The sconces will need to mount flush to the finished surface of the treatments, you'll need to block around the sconce base to support the sconce (treatments won't) AND you'll need that wood block to secure the fabric once cut out around the box.
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