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post #1 of 14
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I was posting over in the JVC-RS40 calibration thread and it was suggested that I start out with a meter like the i1 Display 2 or LT (which from what I have read are they exact same meter?). Pairing this with the free HCFR software would provide a good starting/learning point.

I found these two and was wondering what you all thought about grabbing one of these?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-RITE-EYE-O...ht_1017wt_1144

I also found an LT on videogon for the same price....might be a better option.

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.p...Display-one-LT


Thoughts?
post #2 of 14
My thinking is with a high end projector you want to either invest in a pro to do the work or by equipment and software that is of high enough accuracy to even bother with. There has been a lot of discussion about the i1D2 since they drift and become inaccurate very quickly. The I1D3 with Calman or Chromapure would be a much better investment.
Only issue is we don't know how long the sealed i1D3 will last without drifting.
This is the thread I was referring to.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1406079

I personally went with the C6 and Calman for my projector (old Mitsubishi) then got a used i1pro to profile the C6 to be more accurate with different displays.

Good luck with whatever you buy.
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

My thinking is with a high end projector you want to either invest in a pro to do the work or by equipment and software that is of high enough accuracy to even bother with. There has been a lot of discussion about the i1D2 since they drift and become inaccurate very quickly. The I1D3 with Calman or Chromapure would be a much better investment.
Only issue is we don't know how long the sealed i1D3 will last without drifting.
This is the thread I was referring to.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1406079

I personally went with the C6 and Calman for my projector (old Mitsubishi) then got a used i1pro to profile the C6 to be more accurate with different displays.

Good luck with whatever you buy.

I would upgrade the meter down the road, and probably the software. I think the suggestion was for a cheap way to get started and learn. for $45, it seemed like a good way to start...
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

I was posting over in the JVC-RS40 calibration thread and it was suggested that I start out with a meter like the i1 Display 2 or LT (which from what I have read are they exact same meter?). Pairing this with the free HCFR software would provide a good starting/learning point.

I found these two and was wondering what you all thought about grabbing one of these?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-RITE-EYE-O...ht_1017wt_1144

I also found an LT on videogon for the same price....might be a better option.

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.p...Display-one-LT


Thoughts?

I would be very cautious about buying a used colorimeter. They do degrade over time and you have no idea how it was stored. Most likely reason you see a low cost colorimeter up for sale is, it has not been used for sometime or the results are going bad. Unless you have lab or at least a spectro to compare it to you just don't know.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

I would upgrade the meter down the road, and probably the software. I think the suggestion was for a cheap way to get started and learn. for $45, it seemed like a good way to start...

Send me the money and I will say thank you! It is a better investment!
Learning with sub standard equipment is no way to learn anything other than endless frustration.

You have a good projector, you will need to recalibrate it about every 1000 hours. A pro charges $350 on the low end. So save up the money, get a D3 or C6 and Calman or Chromapure and you will be set to keep you projector in good shape for years to come. There is a lot less learning curve when you have good software that has customer support, all the pros and other DIYers use it, and it is always being supported.
You made the investment in the JVC, don't mess up the picture with inaccurate equipment, it is counter productive.
You just arrived here in this forum I think you said, spend some time, read some of the older threads about entry level meters, there are more than one..
Also where are you located (put it in your profile), if you are near someone who is nuts about this stuff like myself, you may find they would be willing to help you out the first time around with their own equipment if you are close enough.
Hope that all make sense, just don't jump the gun without knowing all the facts, this is not really the type of equipment to buy cheap figuring on upgrading later as the first expenditure will be a waste.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Send me the money and I will say thank you! It is a better investment!
Learning with sub standard equipment is no way to learn anything other than endless frustration.

You have a good projector, you will need to recalibrate it about every 1000 hours. A pro charges $350 on the low end. So save up the money, get a D3 or C6 and Calman or Chromapure and you will be set to keep you projector in good shape for years to come. There is a lot less learning curve when you have good software that has customer support, all the pros and other DIYers use it, and it is always being supported.
You made the investment in the JVC, don't mess up the picture with inaccurate equipment, it is counter productive.
You just arrived here in this forum I think you said, spend some time, read some of the older threads about entry level meters, there are more than one..
Also where are you located (put it in your profile), if you are near someone who is nuts about this stuff like myself, you may find they would be willing to help you out the first time around with their own equipment if you are close enough.
Hope that all make sense, just don't jump the gun without knowing all the facts, this is not really the type of equipment to buy cheap figuring on upgrading later as the first expenditure will be a waste.

Thanks,

Thats the advice I was looking for. My original plan was to wait and get a better meter and either calman or chromapure. I even inquired about the calman autocal add-on, but read it was pretty slow and did not always yeid good results with the RS40. I have not posted here before, but lurked quite a bit. Having had my RPTV ISF calibrated, I know what a big difference calibration can make and that the cost over time gets prohibitive vs. investing in your own gear and learning how to DIY.

Someone had suggested the cheaper meter as a way to get started and that it might be ok for greyscale...since the RS40 has no CMS. But I did read the threads you mentioned about their deterioration and inaccuracy. But in wishful thinking, I thought I'd ask around.

I'll add my location...you never know who is near by! I'll likely ask my wife to get this for me for christmas, and I'd like to keep my budget under $600 for a package.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Send me the money and I will say thank you! It is a better investment!
Learning with sub standard equipment is no way to learn anything other than endless frustration.

You have a good projector, you will need to recalibrate it about every 1000 hours. A pro charges $350 on the low end. So save up the money, get a D3 or C6 and Calman or Chromapure and you will be set to keep you projector in good shape for years to come. There is a lot less learning curve when you have good software that has customer support, all the pros and other DIYers use it, and it is always being supported.
You made the investment in the JVC, don't mess up the picture with inaccurate equipment, it is counter productive.
You just arrived here in this forum I think you said, spend some time, read some of the older threads about entry level meters, there are more than one..
Also where are you located (put it in your profile), if you are near someone who is nuts about this stuff like myself, you may find they would be willing to help you out the first time around with their own equipment if you are close enough.
Hope that all make sense, just don't jump the gun without knowing all the facts, this is not really the type of equipment to buy cheap figuring on upgrading later as the first expenditure will be a waste.

+1, good advice. I wish the D3/C6 was available when I first got into DIY calibration, so I wouldn't have wasted my time with the limitations of the D2/LT. It's initial accuracy was biased quite a bit towards red in the grayscale (and overall) and short-term repeatability as well as temperature compensation were weaknesses that made the calibration process more frustrating and variable in terms of results.

When the meter got too hot when used in contact mode, it read red even lower and caused me to compensate by adding quite a bit more red to the picture.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

Thanks,

Thats the advice I was looking for. My original plan was to wait and get a better meter and either calman or chromapure. I even inquired about the calman autocal add-on, but read it was pretty slow and did not always yeid good results with the RS40. I have not posted here before, but lurked quite a bit. Having had my RPTV ISF calibrated, I know what a big difference calibration can make and that the cost over time gets prohibitive vs. investing in your own gear and learning how to DIY.

Someone had suggested the cheaper meter as a way to get started and that it might be ok for greyscale...since the RS40 has no CMS. But I did read the threads you mentioned about their deterioration and inaccuracy. But in wishful thinking, I thought I'd ask around.

I'll add my location...you never know who is near by! I'll likely ask my wife to get this for me for christmas, and I'd like to keep my budget under $600 for a package.


We do have our "Rent a Kit" program that includes a C6 or i1Pro and all the AutoCal/DDC/Interactive stuff you would need.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

+1, good advice. I wish the D3/C6 was available when I first got into DIY calibration, so I wouldn't have wasted my time with the limitations of the D2/LT. It's initial accuracy was biased quite a bit towards red in the grayscale (and overall) and short-term repeatability as well as temperature compensation were weaknesses that made the calibration process more frustrating and variable in terms of results.

When the meter got too hot when used in contact mode, it read red even lower and caused me to compensate by adding quite a bit more red to the picture.

I'll have to look at the d3/d3 pro. The c6 is probably out of my price range.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by derekjsmith View Post

We do have our "Rent a Kit" program that includes a C6 or i1Pro and all the AutoCal/DDC/Interactive stuff you would need.

I did see that, and it was tempting. But the $ would go a long way towards a purchase for me.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

I did see that, and it was tempting. But the $ would go a long way towards a purchase for me.

True
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

Thanks,


I'll add my location...you never know who is near by!

HAHA yeah you do! I sent you a PM with my number, give me a call and we will get your projector calibrated ASAP!
post #13 of 14
Well there you go, what a fantastic resource we have at our finger tips (AVS), very nice of you Doug, bravo!!!

Jason
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Well there you go, what a fantastic resource we have at our finger tips (AVS), very nice of you Doug, bravo!!!

Jason

Definitely the best forum out there! Spoke to Doug tonight and we'll setup a time for next week to get my RS40 calibrated. What an awesome guy! That should hold me over until Christmas when I can get a decent meter. Here's to hoping my lamp holds up that long! (JVC RS40)
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