Carp's basement hide-out - Page 3

Awesome setup carp.

First, thanks for sharing your pics, detailing your system/room, etc., very cool I'm sure you love it in there



Fantastic, ...please share all the details. Is there a thread discussion covering this? If you have the needed tools, are you going to perhaps attempt to integrate all subs into your system, and if so, are you considering measuring the subsequent response? Rarely have we seen any documented attempts at marrying different alignments,...for the common good.

I realize most likely you're demoing the two, illustrating the audible differences (if any) of the approaches,...and I do not intend to over complicate things, I'm merely inquiring. Hooking a potential buyer up with a real world demo is commendable. That's a very cool thing you're doing, and hats off to you.

Best of luck

FOH

We are toying with several ideas.

We are just making an afternoon of it, so it won't be real intense setup, but I have my XLS-5000 a MIC2200 setup for the caps. I'll try to get the two caps as flat as possible in the room using the MIC 2200's two PEQ bands (looped through) and then we might just use carp's SMS-1 on top of that for both the Cap pair and the Submersive pair. I also have borrowed counsil's DCX2496 yesterday, but I haven't even taken it out of the box yet. At any rate his Yamaha Elite receiver doesn't EQ the subs, so we will just use a standardized distance and try to make the EQ's match as best as possible.

We'll grab both subs frequency responses through Omnimic (I got my code based recalibrated v1 mic back just yesterday). Assuming the EQ's are very similar after our setup. we may throw a sheet over the subs and just move the rca sub out back and forth on a few tracks and let Alex and others see what they think or if they can tell the difference with stuff level matched. Heck I might even be up for proving I can tell the difference between sealed and ported with somebody else at the sub out switch since I didn't get a chance to do it at our 2012 blind meet Or meeting frustration if I determine I can't tell the difference and i've always thought I could...

I also fully expect to cut them loose a little bit too and knock carp's metallica pictures off the wall with some good ole' dubstep.


If it's a blast we might plan something a bit more formal later. This is totally a last minute thing as Alex (avsforum handle pennynike1) just decided a couple days ago he could come down. He's going to have a nice trip. Luke Kamp is going to demo his room (dual HSU VTF-15H subs and Klipsch mains), I'll demo mine (dual JTR Captivator Pros and Wharfedale mains), carp will demo his (dual Seaton Submersives and ED mains), and Randy Bessinger is going to demo his (Pricilla (spelling?) subs and mains). That's four pretty nice setups in KC and likely worth the trip for somebody trying to figure out what to buy.

It's going to be something like a ford vs. chevy monster truck pull.

Edited by Archaea - 6/21/12 at 9:14pm

Very nice... Beast screen, speakers & subs, now that's how you roll !!!

Jason

Carp you have absolutely the best looking home theater that I have ever seen.
That screen is simply breathtaking!

One question.
Do you think that a perforated screen, with the L, C, R speakers placed behind
the screen, would yield a better audio experience?

Oh, one more question Carp.
What brand and model is your 13ft screen?

I think he mentioned it's not a screen, it's a painted wall.

Jason

WOW! That would be considered a SERIOUS upgrade. Very very nice and clean!

With slightly less disastrous results I hope

Not really, since a false wall is acoustically transparent, from a bass / modal perspective, you're still dealing with the room dimensions sans false wall. But it does bring the screen closer to the seating, which you may not want / be interested in adjusting for.

It looks like you may have two feet to put in a false wall as well? Ever considered it? I wish I could I just don't have the room, my front row would be too close to the screen.

Carp - totally love your setup. I've started on constructing my theater now and hope it turns out half as good as yours. Going with an Epson 8700UB and 133" 16:9 screen. I'd also considered an AT screen, but not quite sure how well that would work out just yet.

Yeah-luckily I have had so much other stuff on my plate (work, 1 and 3 year old, etc) that I haven't had too much time to get pissed over the whole ordeal. I think I'm getting close to being finished, if I could just get these damn drivers to seal properly. I'm sure it is user error but still frustrating. I have 2 done-done and they sound great.

Your setup is gawking worthy, I agree. I don't care that everything is white which I'm sure the picture turbos will hate, but the look is there. Definitely an asset to selling the house if/when you would ever do so.

Looks great. I wish I could A/B my SHOs with the eDs or measure them at least.

Man, wish I was nearby as well too. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a new set of mains for the basement but had held off when I was given an indefinite 8+ week lead time for the cinema 12s. I'd really like to have something for our NE GTG which could be as soon as September 15th.

Andrew,

Fly in. We'll put you up for a couple nights and show you around KC.

Southwest flights to KC from Philly are only about $225.


You'd get to hear JTR triple 8 vs. ED cinema 12. Greg you coming down from Omaha? If so -- then add CHT SHO 8s in the mix.

and sounds like possibly orbit shifter vs. dual submersives

So it's a lock for next weekend? Let me talk to the wife to see if we have any plans, I may take you up on that if at all possible! The same offer stands for you for our September or October GTG.

I'm game for helping with the orbit shifter. If we do the blind testing on the speakers the orbit shifter might add a bit of chaos to the equation.


--- for the blind testing portion we should probably stick to the same sub?

But if we want to do a separate sub comparison that would be fun too.


DesertDome said he wants to come down from Omaha and will be checking with the wife shortly.


We probably should establish a draft schedule...



5PM Cinema 12 speakers - sighted

6PM JTR Triple 8 speakers - sighted

Pizza or something during that time

7PM Blind testing between Cinema 12 and JTR Triple 8 - 45 minutes each

8:30PM Orbit shifter

8:35PM hospital visits to emergency care audiology unit
Edited by Archaea - 7/25/12 at 12:54pm

Right now it is at about 90% that I can attend. If half my gas is paid it goes to 100% per my wife. I mentioned in the PM about some mystery speakers I might be able to bring. I will be receiving them next week or could have them delivered to KC. Looking at your schedule I guess I better spill the beans if they are going to get on the schedule unless you guys would rather listen to them blind. On impulse I bought them for the GTG even though I don't really plan on keeping them long term. I also have some Bill Fitzmaurice Wedgehorn 6 speakers that I plan to use for surrounds. They don't have to be formally listened to, but I might bring a pair if there is any interest.

I have about a 9.5' wide Seymour AV Center Stage XD screen I could bring for the blind listening. If someone made a simple frame, the screen could be stapled at the top and then hung. I guess the screen could even be stretched on the frame and stapled all around. I want to sell it so don't want to damage it, though. I bought it from MKTheater so it already has staple holes on the edges. The screen is 68-70" high. I also have two 18" strips of AT black backing fabric from Seymour AV that could be used on the sides to extend the width of the speaker placement area. They could also be used as sides to prevent seeing the speakers if mounted angled to the screen.

I have four sealed dual opposed DIY subs with a Face Audio F1200TS ampliifer that I will bring if someone wants to buy them. PM me for more details.

I have mentioned to Archaea in another thread, but JRiver Media Center now lets you create what it calls particles of music and movies. A particle is a virtual duplicate that lets you rename it and put a playback range on it. You can use them to quickly create playlists and demo clips of music and movies. For example, I can create 10 particles of LOTR movies and then put a playback range on each one to create 10 clips from the LOTR movies. It only takes a minute or two and you still using the original video and audio. You can combine audio and video in a playlist and even have each use a different output device. For example, you might want analog output for audio and HDMI output for the video sources. JRiver will also decode and allow output as 7.1 PCM over HDMI. Any HTPC that can output audio over HDMI can use this instead of bitstreaming. The demo is free for 30 days so you could use it just for the GTG if you wanted. I can't believe Archaea hasn't tried EQing with it yet.

If you guys have all movies and audio on an external drive with a list of playback ranges, I can also bring a mini HTPC that will be all setup and ready to go. I would just need a few minutes to create the playlist and connect the HDMI cable to Carp's receiver. Actually, I might be able to even create the playlist ahead of time. The mini HTPC doesn't have a Blu-ray drive.

what are the mystery speakers?



Would HuskerOmaha give up three of his CHT10's for the trip too?



Kwarny messaged that he is interested in coming. He could be your 50/50 gas split partner. perhaps? Meet up in Nebraska City and leave one of the cars there then head down I-29 together?
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=lincoln+nebraska&daddr=omaha+nebraska&ll=40.570154,-95.380554&spn=1.178754,2.796021&client=safari&oe=UTF-8&gl=us&panel=1&fb=1&dirflg=d&geocode=Fc6pbgIdMcE8-illElbKWb6WhzG53tUfm4U6Yw%3BFQt2dQId3C9H-int_Ay1yI2ThzEEtjeuT01CRg&t=m&z=9

Four Bill Fitzmaurice DR250 speakers with the Eminence Deltalite II 2510 drivers. With these and CHT speakers you can listen to 4 of the speakers MKTheater has had - all in the same evening! I want to listen to them in a L/C/R arrangement and also stacked in a line array with a phantom center.

Edit: The DR250's have an efficiency of 106 dB. With two stacked it goes to 109 dB. They should be able to output up to 135 dB!
If not, nebrunner also has 3 CHT SHO-10's or PRO-10's. I was going to bring my car so I wouldn't have room, though.
I PM'd him first thing this morning.

I have LOTR EE Blu-rays or could copy to a drive as MKV's. I could bring these if there is interest in some more clips from them.
Edited by desertdome - 7/26/12 at 11:28am

Oh man!

This is getting interesting!

Aren't the dr250 speakers mktheaters current favorite?


Carp, I'd be happy to take a few hours extra off work if we can start a tad earlier?