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What options do I have? - Emo Ultra 12

post #1 of 29
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Hello everyone!

atm, I have an emotiva ultra 12. My room is 12ft x 12ft, 8ft tall. I wanted to get a second one to co-locate bass, because for music (which is 90% of what I use my system for), they aren't lacking much (under 30hz is a bit weak though).

Unfortunately, I haven't had any luck finding someone that is willing to sell their ultra 12, and emotiva stopped manufacturing them. So I have two options.

Should I sell the ultra 12 and buy two different ones? Or just keep the ultra and wait it out for another month or two?

If I should buy two others, what are my options? If I should wait it out, is there any other places to search besides emo boards, craigslist, and audiogon?

Thanks.

- Kh[a]os
post #2 of 29
If you're not in a hurry, wait for a used one to show up on the used-goods sites and buy it.

If you're in a hurry, sell the Ultra 12 and buy something else.
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

If you're not in a hurry, wait for a used one to show up on the used-goods sites and buy it.

If you're in a hurry, sell the Ultra 12 and buy something else.

Agreed.
post #4 of 29
The Ultra 12 was an excellent deal at its clearout price, so it's understandable why you haven't seen any for sale. You could theoretically add an Xref and still have a good match.

For that small room, I don't see any point in switching it to something else unless you go to one of the uber compact subs like a JL or Rythmik
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

atm, I have an emotiva ultra 12. My room is 12ft x 12ft, 8ft tall. I wanted to get a second one to co-locate bass, because for music (which is 90% of what I use my system for), they aren't lacking much (under 30hz is a bit weak though).

Are you trying to get more extension or output? Depending upon what you're trying to achieve a single, more potent sub, might be a better alternative.
post #6 of 29
I had one and loved it for the money, probably should not have sold it. Anyway I had a 12x12x8 room but...
It opened up into another room the same size. It played very well for music but home theater low bass was missing. I also knew I messed up by not including the air space of all rooms attached with out doors. So I to was looking for another emo ultra 12. Instead I sold and bought a vft15. Now I have the opposite sound, tons of low bass!!!! Shakes everything still the same volume level about. Lacks mid bass punch for dance, hip hop style music but plays non bassy music very well and home theater, well its amazing!!
So what are you looking for? Music sub more or home theater sub more?
Two ultras would rock! A vft15 would make you think twice about the safety of your internal organs. Money. How much are you looking to spend?
post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 
The only time low extention means anything to me would be whilst I game (which doesn't warrent any of the uber subs.) My main reason for getting a second one is mainly for co-locating. I'd like to smooth out the frequency response in the middle of my room. As far as output goes I'm already happy, no real complaints.

I guess I'm just going to hold out for another month or two, haha. This sub is great for music, which is what stops me from selling it.

Thanks.

- Kh[a]os
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

The only time low extention means anything to me would be whilst I game (which doesn't warrent any of the uber subs.) My main reason for getting a second one is mainly for co-locating. I'd like to smooth out the frequency response in the middle of my room. As far as output goes I'm already happy, no real complaints.

I guess I'm just going to hold out for another month or two, haha. This sub is great for music, which is what stops me from selling it.

Thanks.

- Kh[a]os

Smart move if you want it for music!!
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

Hello everyone!

atm, I have an emotiva ultra 12. My room is 12ft x 12ft, 8ft tall. I wanted to get a second one to co-locate bass, because for music (which is 90% of what I use my system for), they aren't lacking much (under 30hz is a bit weak though).

Unfortunately, I haven't had any luck finding someone that is willing to sell their ultra 12, and emotiva stopped manufacturing them. So I have two options.

Should I sell the ultra 12 and buy two different ones? Or just keep the ultra and wait it out for another month or two?

If I should buy two others, what are my options? If I should wait it out, is there any other places to search besides emo boards, craigslist, and audiogon?

Thanks.

- Kh[a]os

re: bolded part... those are VERY unfriendly dimensions... what you likely need more than anything else are some corner traps, good eq and some measuring equipment so you can put your sub to good use... it's pretty safe to say if you haven't done that, you aren't getting anywhere near the "performance" you should be getting from your existing sub, nor will you be able to tap the potential of a more expensive one...

iow, you need to throw some money at your system, but not at another sub yet...
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

re: bolded part... those are VERY unfriendly dimensions... what you likely need more than anything else are some corner traps, good eq and some measuring equipment so you can put your sub to good use... it's pretty safe to say if you haven't done that, you aren't getting anywhere near the "performance" you should be getting from your existing sub, nor will you be able to tap the potential of a more expensive one...

iow, you need to throw some money at your system, but not at another sub yet...

My system:
XPA-2
UMC-1
Swan T900F
Emo ultra 12

Pic:



Bass EQ:
(I have a bump at 40-52hz)


I figured that boosting 28hz anymore would just be counterproductive. I didn't even bother boosting 22hz cause I figured it would only cause the amp to clip and the driver to distort.

My current plan is to buy 2 of these: http://www.acoustimac.com/corner-bass-trap-bt2400c/

and hook them up in these corners:





Firstly, is this my best choice atm? Second, if so, should I go with the 6inch thick? I'm not quite sure how to interpret sabins, I know if the absorption coefficient is 1.0 or higher, its 100% absorption, unless that's a sabin, however; a quick glance at 40hz shows 5.37sabins (but a per unit of 0.67). Is the "per unit" the absorption coefficient that I'm thinking of?

My issue ends after 40hz, <40hz is pretty flat down to 28hz.

(P.S. I'm 17 btw, that's why the room looks the way it does xD)

Thanks

- Kh[a]os
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

(P.S. I'm 17 btw, that's why the room looks the way it does xD)

I don't know what you're worried about; that's a helluva nice system for such a small space. And the fact you're only 17? All the more impressive. You don't have anything to apologize for - looks like you're doing very well.
post #12 of 29
Yea man, nice set up!!! And ultra 12 x2 for sure!!
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

My system:
XPA-2
UMC-1
Swan T900F
Emo ultra 12

(P.S. I'm 17 btw, that's why the room looks the way it does xD)

lol. I don't know where you are from or what kind of crazy expectations you have, but that's obviously nicer than 99.9% of what most 17 year olds have.
post #14 of 29
Thread Starter 
lol, thanks for all the comments. haha.

I think since I'm used to the room, I made the statement while focusing on insignificant objects (such as the wii sitting upon the odd draw/shelf in the corner) and omitted the HT aspect. Most of my companions have similar rooms (besides the HT portion). The whole blank white walls thing seems to be more common than not, with little things placed across the room.

It also doesn't help that I was looking at the messy portions in my room without realizing they're not in the pictures.

I guess not experiencing the living styles of an adult, I figured the small room may appear to be an odd match for someone significantly older.

The only reason I've been able to go down this route is because I was always a conservative spender. Throughout all my childhood years I pretty much reserved my money and waited until a holiday or birthday to ask for anything (which I understand is quite lucky; I am of course grateful). After a couple years I had enough money (I also started working on a few tasks for my father at 16) and at this point I started getting involved into the critical aspects of music. At the time I had a logitech x540 set (a gift) that I used for xbox/tv. Then one day I realized, I could hook it up to my comp and play music, yay ^_^. Well, needless to say, that is where I started noticing the weakness's, and being the ocd guy that I am, I invested my savings into hi-end audio. I spent about a year researching everything so that I would be able to setup the system properly. I was already well aware that more money does not mean better, and that any system will need some manual calibration and adjustments. After finally getting everything setup, I spent the next 4 months experiencing severe paranoia (I really meant it when I said I have OCD). I moved all the furniture in my room multiple times, moved the speakers inches, centimeters, milimeters, micrometers even, just because if it wasn't "perfect", it wasn't good enough. Don't even get me started about toe-in. Both ears had to sound exactly the same, or within seconds I'd begin to breach the threshold of insanity. I repeated these process's ad infinitum, trying to make up for the inherent problems my room brought about.

At the moment, I'm quite satisfied with placement now, and all that's left to fix are my bass issues and echos (damn corners!). Who know's though...my ocd causes me to have a perfectionist complex...and although it produces amazing results in comparison to some other systems out there, I'm just never satisfied. I know its all about placement in coherence with the rooms acoustical properties, and has nothing to do with with my actual equipment, but its that exact reason that forces me to try to produce better results. If anyone is going to spend this kind of money on a system, they better damn well attempt to get the best out of it, as long as their options permit. Anyone who refutes that claim is a fool.

Just a little insight from my on-going 2 year Hi-Fi experience. Everyday I learn something new, and that's the beauty of it.

I hope I didn't bore anyone with that.

I still need some more insight on those acoustical traps though, not sure if I should go with them, and if so 4inch thick or 6inch (X4vsX6). As I stated above my bass issue 40hz-52hz.

As always, thanks for pushing me in the right direction. I've learned so much from this community and shall always cherish the people that have helped expand my cognition of audio as a whole.

"Look forward. Reach the end. You mustn't turn back."



- Kh[a]os
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

I hope I didn't bore anyone with that.

From one compulsive fanatic to another... nope, you didn't bore me. Sadly, I can sympathize.

Between those gloves and your signature I'll bet I know what your favorite book was as a kid. Well, you still are a kid, but I meant when you were a younger kid.
post #16 of 29
Nice gear, best of luck with your purchase and - I mean this in an entirely complimentary way - you don't write like a 17-year-old!
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Nice gear, best of luck with your purchase and - I mean this in an entirely complimentary way - you don't write like a 17-year-old!

Thanks, it means a lot to hear that. When you're young, you have to deal with this constant condescension. I understand that the majority of knowledge comes from experience, but that is only to a certain extent. People that believe they are all knowing because they are > x amount of years really irk me. People that don't understand that one must learn through their own experiences, irk me even more.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, you've already experienced this barrier.

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Between those gloves and your signature I'll bet I know what your favorite book was as a kid. Well, you still are a kid, but I meant when you were a younger kid.

Actually I'm not much of an avid reader. Speaking of which, I probably read on average one book a year. I'm more into the whole anime genre. Visual novels are probably the closest thing to a book that I read (Although this summer I made an oath to read a couple books, I actually want to become a creative writer, and what kind of writer would I be if I didn't read books? haha). With that in mind, I can't even think of what my favorite book would be.

That poem comes from the visual novel higurashi no naku koro ni (when the cicadas cry). Essentially before every chapter, a pseudo char the author made writes a poem that doesn't quite make sense till after the chapter is read. As you're probably aware, its a Schrodinger Cat reference. xP Also due to signature limitations, the lines are supposed to read: "Please tell me what happened on this night."

Steins;Gate<3

Quote:


The universe has a beginning, but not an end. --Infinite
Stars also have a beginning, but perish by the power they possess. --Finite
History tells us: it is those who possess intelligence that are the greatest of all fools.
Fish, living in the sea, know not the world of land. If they possessed intelligence, they too would perish.
For fish to begin living on land is ridiculous; humans surpassing the speed of light, even more so.
Let this be considered God's final warning to those who defy Him.

Of course though, I am curious to what you thought.

To keep this on topic (I'm obliged to have relevance to the OP),

how about dem sabins...? XD

- Kh[a]os
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post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

Although this summer I made an oath to read a couple books, I actually want to become a creative writer, and what kind of writer would I be if I didn't read books? haha

I am a technical writing professor, and my colleagues in creative writing often complain how many students struggle with creative writing because they simply haven't read enough in order to study the craft of accomplished writers. If you plan on going into a creative writing program for college, you should read more than a couple. A good place to start catching up would be The Best American Short Story annual series.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by saltysteven View Post

I had one and loved it for the money, probably should not have sold it. Anyway I had a 12x12x8 room but...
It opened up into another room the same size. It played very well for music but home theater low bass was missing. I also knew I messed up by not including the air space of all rooms attached with out doors. So I to was looking for another emo ultra 12. Instead I sold and bought a vft15. Now I have the opposite sound, tons of low bass!!!! Shakes everything still the same volume level about. Lacks mid bass punch for dance, hip hop style music but plays non bassy music very well and home theater, well its amazing!!
So what are you looking for? Music sub more or home theater sub more?
Two ultras would rock! A vft15 would make you think twice about the safety of your internal organs. Money. How much are you looking to spend?

There's always trade off's unless you get something like a Seaton, I think.
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

The only time low extention means anything to me would be whilst I game (which doesn't warrent any of the uber subs.) My main reason for getting a second one is mainly for co-locating. I'd like to smooth out the frequency response in the middle of my room. As far as output goes I'm already happy, no real complaints.

I guess I'm just going to hold out for another month or two, haha. This sub is great for music, which is what stops me from selling it.

Thanks.

- Kh[a]os

You should look for a used X-Ref 12. It's a better sub than the Ultra 12 (more tweakble and user friendly). I'm sure it would match well with the Ultra 12.

I have an X-Ref 12, extremely tight and punchy, can't be beat for music. Its subjectively tighter than my SB-13. I love both subs, can't be beat for music (which I love) and no slouches for HT.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

. . . and no slouches for HT.

Really? You want to go there again when 99% of this forum disagrees that the X-Ref 12 is a good choice for HT? Why didn't you just stop while you were ahead? LOL
post #23 of 29
Youre young and still have time!. Get out of this hobby before its too late!!
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Your young and still have time!. Get out of this hobby before its too late!!

That's funny, I don't care who you are...
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post


You should look for a used X-Ref 12. It's a better sub than the Ultra 12 (more tweakble and user friendly). I'm sure it would match well with the Ultra 12.

I have an X-Ref 12, extremely tight and punchy, can't be beat for music. Its subjectively tighter than my SB-13. I love both subs, can't be beat for music (which I love) and no slouches for HT.

So the x-ref is now in the same league as the sb13? I'm sure it's a very nice little sub for music but lets not get crazy.
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

You should look for a used X-Ref 12. It's a better sub than the Ultra 12 (more tweakble and user friendly). I'm sure it would match well with the Ultra 12.

I have an X-Ref 12, extremely tight and punchy, can't be beat for music. Its subjectively tighter than my SB-13. I love both subs, can't be beat for music (which I love) and no slouches for HT.

When did you get a SB13 plus
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Really? You want to go there again when 99% of this forum disagrees that the X-Ref 12 is a good choice for HT? Why didn't you just stop while you were ahead? LOL

I said it was no slouch for HT and I stand by that. Since you don't have one you don't know what I mean by that. Also, 99% of this forum been mislead to believe they care hear infrasounds or that infrasound are really that important. 99% of this forum doesn't even represent -500 percent of the global subwoofer buying market.

BTW, you should know me by now and how I feel about the fraternity around here, I didn't pledge.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

When did you get a SB13 plus

3 months ago. I will only purchase sealed subs at this time.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

So the x-ref is now in the same league as the sb13? I'm sure it's a very nice little sub for music but lets not get crazy.

I never said that. I said its tighter than SB-13 and it is, slightly so. Both are good subs.
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