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What specs should I look for?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I've been rumbling through eBay, Craigslist and donation/2nd hand/thrift shops hoping to get lucky finding some great speakers. The thing is I don't really know what to look for in terms of watts, ohms, ways, tweeter or even brands.

Generally, what specs fall in the decent, good and great range of speakers? Roughly how much used for each range?

Thanks in advance


P.S. - I have a Denon AVR-1611 7.1 receiver but initially my focus will be music listening so I'm hoping the initial 2 (or 2.1) speakers can be used in a 7.1 system later (for movie watching).
post #2 of 22
Room? Budget? Id recommend you try to demo some speakers to see what you like.

Since you said music , I originally went with the rc line from energy for music/ht. Worked well.

Regarding the "specs", I wouldn't worry much about them. Everyone has different opinions about brands here!
post #3 of 22
I think the specs don't necessarily help you to decide what speakers actually sound like.

Different speaker cabinets drivers, tweeters, woofers etc. all have different characteristics.

You really need to go out and spend some time in a hifi store listening to songs that you know and love on different speakers to find out what you like.
post #4 of 22
I agree with what the others posted, but I will add that the only real spec I would be looking for is the ohm rating. You need 8 ohm speakers. The 1611 will kill its self trying to push any 4 ohm speakers.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by nemir View Post

I think the specs don't necessarily help you to decide what speakers actually sound like.

+1

Over the past 30+ years of being involved in this hobby, I've run into speakers that for example had nearly identical frequency response graphs but sounded wildly different. So unless there are significant bumps or dips in a chart, personally I don't worry about FR responses.

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You really need to go out and spend some time in a hifi store listening to songs that you know and love on different speakers to find out what you like.

+1 again.

FYI: make sure the demo receiver is as "neutral" as possible ----> e.g. no bass or treble turned up/down; no loudness turned on; no DSP soundfields activated; speaker management set to "large" + "no sub" if demo'ing speakers to be used by themselves i.e. no subwoofer.

Woofer/tweeter materials - there's great sounding speakers with cellulose (paper) cones and lousy sounding ones with plastic cones; tweeters with fabric domes can sound tizzy & bright and metal domes that sound nice-n-mellow, though fabric usually is the mellower of the two in my experience & for me better for music reproduction purposes. So just hit the play button and see what actually sounds best.

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but I will add that the only real spec I would be looking for is the ohm rating

+1

A 4 ohm speaker like a vintage Acoustic Research AR9 (a four way with dual 12" woofers) connected to a small receiver that has warnings about using anything below 6 ohms is a good recipe for trouble i.e. the receiver's protection system will be activated as soon as the volume goes past whisper level, or if that doesn't happen the amplifier itself might get overstressed & its life severely shortened.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Oh, okay. Well I have had a couple of listening sessions which inspired me to put together my own audio system. I listened to a friend's setup: Primare I30 amp, Linn Katan speakers and Rel subwoofer. I also went into Definitive Audio (high end A/V retailer) and listened to an all Linn audio system. They both sounded amazing to me (I preferred my friend's setup over DA's), but I can't budget for that quality at the moment. So now I'm trying to piece together a poor man's version just to have something for now but at the same time hoping to get good sound too.

Before my discovery of these high end brands I always liked the sound produced from Klipsch, Harman/Kardon, JBL and Infinity speakers.

Does that help?
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by DiGiTY View Post

Before my discovery of these high end brands I always liked the sound produced from Klipsch, Harman/Kardon, JBL and Infinity speakers.

Does that help?

Those companies have all made some excellent speakers IMO (Harmon owns Infinity & JBL btw), so even though many people don't consider them to be "audiophile" speakers, if they sound good to you that is all that matters.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
Okay, so I should look for speakers with at least 8 ohms and the brands which produce the sound I like (Linn, Klipsch, Harman/Kardon, JBL, Infinity, etc.)?

What about watts? The AVR-1611 manual says it outputs 100 watts for stereo and 75 watts for surround. Does that mean I can't get lower wattage speakers for either setup?
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by DiGiTY View Post

Okay, so I should look for speakers with at least 8 ohms and the brands which produce the sound I like (Linn, Klipsch, Harman/Kardon, JBL, Infinity, etc.)?

What about watts? The AVR-1611 manual says it outputs 100 watts for stereo and 75 watts for surround. Does that mean I can't get lower wattage speakers for either setup?

You can get whatever wattage speakers you want. The watts on the receiver means it can put out 75 per channel. The watts on the speaker specs mean they can take that much before turning into a family room fire place

Even though the amp says it puts out 75watts, you'd only really use all that power if you listen really loud. In my room I listen at -15 to -12 and the crown amp calc estimates I'm using only 19 watts.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
Awesome, thanks! I've stupidly been passing up speakers because they're not at least 75 watts, now I know better.

So, theoretically, if I get 50 watt speakers and the amp/receiver is cranked up to the max I'll essentially get distortion as the speaker can't handle anything over 50 watts?
post #11 of 22
You'll get distortion because the receiver is cranked up to the max. You should never max out your receiver as it will start clipping and blow your speakers. Distortion is not a speaker's friend.

I doubt you're gonna find speakers that can only handle 50 watts since you're looking at higher end speakers plus the normal brands too.

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Awesome, thanks! I've stupidly been passing up speakers because they're not at least 75 watts, now I know better.

What have you found that wasn't rated to handle 75 watts?
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by DiGiTY View Post

I've been rumbling through eBay, Craigslist and donation/2nd hand/thrift shops hoping to get lucky finding some great speakers.

What is your max budget?
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Use to be $100 when I was rambling through eBay, Craig's List and second shops, but seeing how that's unrealistic my budget is now $300, new or used
post #14 of 22
post #15 of 22
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Use to be $100 when I was rambling through eBay, Craig's List and second shops, but seeing how that's unrealistic my budget is now $300, new or used

what about these off your local Craigslist?

Paradigm Phantom V4
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/2987194911.html

Or Energy C-1 bookshelf
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/2982926790.html

Athena B1
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/ele/2985086491.html

Ascend CBM 170
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/2931038144.html

KEF Q-30
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/ele/2975883789.html

Boston VR950 towers
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/2986005528.html
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks! Honestly I've never heard of these brands. Are they at least on par if not better than the brands I mentioned? Do they play nicely with any subwoofer? Will they play well when adding surround speakers to the system later?
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by DiGiTY View Post

Wow, thanks! Honestly I've never heard of these brands. Are they at least on par if not better than the brands I mentioned? Do they play nicely with any subwoofer? Will they play well when adding surround speakers to the system later?

Can't really say they play "better" since that's really up to you. But they are great value and will do you just fine! Yes to the all the other questions.
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
What's the difference between bookshelf and floor standing speakers? Why choose one over the other?
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by DiGiTY View Post

Wow, thanks! Honestly I've never heard of these brands. Are they at least on par if not better than the brands I mentioned? Do they play nicely with any subwoofer? Will they play well when adding surround speakers to the system later?
What's the difference between bookshelf and floor standing speakers? Why choose one over the other?

Snell, Boston, Kef, and Ascend - you should look hard at.

Towers can sound bigger, with more radiatin coverage and have
bigger bass weight and dig deeper. However, a well built book-
shelf speaker, can really perform well with good resolution in the
midrange and treble, and throw a real good soundstage - And a
lot of them have decent, respectful bass. Both towers and book-
shelf speakers can benefit from a subwoofer.

A lot of bookshelf speakers can out perform towers, that are sold
around the same price. If you love heavy deep bass, then save up
for a subwoofer.

I have owned bookshelf speakers with sensitivity lower than 89db,
that can play louder than I care to listen, in rooms bigger than a
bedroom. I have speakers with 87db sensitivity, that do perform
real nicely.
post #20 of 22
Bookshelves are way cheaper and can be upgraded with a sub. Towers would sound better due to lower bass and would not need a sub. Anything you choose always check the efficiency rating. It should be 89 or above unless you have some major amplification.
post #21 of 22
For $300, I think one of the best-sounding speakers you are going to be able to get would be the Polk Monitor 60 speakers. I thin Amazon has them for around $300. They meet all of your requirements and sound pretty decent.

If you could stretch your budget to $399, there is an outstanding deal on the excellent KEF iQ30 speakers right now at KEF Direct. They were $599, and a bargain at that price; a very fine speaker.



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Originally Posted by DiGiTY View Post

Use to be $100 when I was rambling through eBay, Craig's List and second shops, but seeing how that's unrealistic my budget is now $300, new or used
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
Great! I think I'll go with bookshelf speakers for now since I'm setting up in a relatively small space in my unfinished basement (14 1/2' L x 11' W x 6 1/2' H)

Thanks so so much everyone! I really do appreciate your patience and your time
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