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post #31 of 72
4/27/12 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Flt Simulation View Post

From what I have read, all the the subs in the poll are of excellent quality for the price.

I guess some are more suited for home theater use, than others.

My question is .... For just 2-channel music only, do you have an opinion which one of these subs might be the most "musical" (no need for thunderous bass or 'explosions', since I wouldn't be hooking this up to a watch an HD movie).

I was told, that for the most part, a sealed sub might have an advantage in just listening to music at moderate listening levels. Is that for the most part true?

Thank's


For music only the Legend, SB12 or Rythmik would get the job done.

That would actually be good information regarding the poll- does this person plan on using this for any music?
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post #32 of 72
4/28/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by eaamon View Post

did you+your buddy read through the DIY section? if building/making a HT there are a lot of options with diy....
like if he is putting in a raised floor at the rear hide subs under it.
or smaller room, hide it in a ottoman that has a downward facing speaker.
this one is large but you could: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1340095
make one with 12" 15" or 18" speaker and choose the speaker that will go to the lows you/he really want.
food for thought....you have several choices and there are several other ottoman designs out there.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=921153
if he is married the ottoman would please the wife with the design/looks like furniture
and not just a ugly HUGE box.

Thanks for the suggestion; but I know he's not interested in a DIY solution. Hell, if it were up to him...he'd pick one up from Worst Buy, and be done with it. This is me getting him half-way.

CD
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post #33 of 72
4/28/12 at 7:18am
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For music only the Legend, SB12 or Rythmik would get the job done.

That would actually be good information regarding the poll- does this person plan on using this for any music?

No; for my buddy anyway (I think Flt Simulation was asking for his own purposes) this sub would be almost 100% HT.

I sent him an email yesterday morning; just to have him start looking at some of the contenders...at least as of that point. He knows NOTHING about subs, and I'm not as hardcore as some of you guys. I did some research, and opted for a JLA F-112 (do not judge please...that's not what this post is about )

Obviously this choice is in a different price range, so I elicited the help of the forum. The email I sent was just to see if anything "stood out" to him; caught his eye, for whatever reason...given he does not know much about the subject. After all...in the end, he's relying on my recommendation...and I, in turn...am relying on your advice; but it's his purchase. If something struck him...for whatever reason; I figured I'd start leaning that way, and digging further.

The 4 subs I sent him for consideration...again, based on feedback at that time...were the Epik Legend, SVS SB-12, and the two Outlaw LFM-1s. If it were my call to make, right now...I'd see if he wanted to spend a little more, and go with the LFM-1 EX. It's the lead vote-getter...then and now; but more than that, just seems to get the almost universal nod (not everyone is picking it, but everyone seems to agree it's a fine choice nonetheless).

He did express an opinion; he asked about the Epik Legend. Why? IMO, it's because it's shown to have been "regularly" priced at $899, was "reduced" to $649...and is now on "sale" for $499. That tells me two things, I already knew about my friend; a, he loves a bargain and b, even though I could talk him into extending his budget...he's not really looking to.

Based on that...I'm going to narrow the search a bit at this point. Let's talk Epik Legend, Outlaw LFM-1 Plus (also a $500 choice)...and the EX (someone mentioned it's been on sale for $550; he's quite a negotiator, so if he could get it at that price...let's keep it in the mix).

I'm not sure if I can edit the poll...so let's just do write-ins at this point...lol; or talk it through. The Epik Legend looks like a good choice to me as well; if nothing else, dual-drivers has to count for something? Of course, two drivers of sh*t isn't better than 1 driver of quality...lol; but I doubt the Epik is that bad, and it is pulling up 2nd-place at this point.

Is it really an "$900" sub on sale for $500? If we're keeping the LFM-1 EX in the mix, because my buddy migh be able to talk his way down to the $550 sale price...would you take a Epik Legend at $500, or Outlaw LFM-1 EX at $550?

I cannot thank the forum enough for the feedback thus far! It's been informative, enlightening...and with relatively little in-fighting.

CD
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post #34 of 72
4/28/12 at 7:48am
If your friend is interested in performance value, you should keep a dollar over SPL ratio in mind. It's hard to say how the Legend would fare there because there are no available measurements of it. Don't me fooled by any mythical MSRP though, that $900 "regular price" is just a sale strategy, but that isn't to say its not a good deal at $500. I don't think you will be able to argue the LFM-1 EX down to 550, and if you do, shipping won't be a freebie. The current deal on the Plus is a truly good value though, it could be the overall highest $/db sub out there right now that isn't a live audio sub or a DIY job. And again, the SB12 is not like the other subs on your list, it is a smaller sub meant for situations where space is a concern, it is not a great deal for sheer performance. You would want to look at the ported subs from SVS for that, they are the highest bang-for-the-buck subs regarding performance.
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post #35 of 72
4/28/12 at 9:30am
+1

Outlaw has a reputation for not budging on price. If your friend wants the EX for under $600, he'll likely have to wait for their next sale.

And your poll data is unreliable. If the EX were not on the poll, it is likely that the Plus would have gotten more votes. I would recommend that you make a decision for your friend based on sub characteristics instead of a flawed poll.
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post #36 of 72
4/28/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

+1

Outlaw has a reputation for not budging on price. If your friend wants the EX for under $600, he'll likely have to wait for their next sale.

And your poll data is unreliable. If the EX were not on the poll, it is likely that the Plus would have gotten more votes. I would recommend that you make a decision for your friend based on sub characteristics instead of a flawed poll.

I am...and have said so many, many times.

CD
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post #37 of 72
4/28/12 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I am...and have said so many, many times.

CD

I was just offering an opinion in an effort to help. You are the one that still has polls on the brain: "I'm not sure if I can edit the poll. . . . but I doubt the Epik is that bad, and it is pulling up 2nd-place at this point."

The fact that the Legend is 2nd in your poll is fairly meaningless. Any one or all of the LFM-1 Plus, the FV12, or the VTF-2 MK4 might be ahead of the Legend if the EX wasn't in the poll.

Meanwhile, it will be difficult for anyone to help you much more unless you can get this information from your friend.
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post #38 of 72
4/28/12 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I was just offering an opinion in an effort to help. You are the one that still has polls on the brain: "I'm not sure if I can edit the poll. . . . but I doubt the Epik is that bad, and it is pulling up 2nd-place at this point."

The fact that the Legend is 2nd in your poll is fairly meaningless. Any one or all of the LFM-1 Plus, the FV12, or the VTF-2 MK4 might be ahead of the Legend if the EX wasn't in the poll.

Meanwhile, it will be difficult for anyone to help you much more unless you can get this information from your friend.

Thanks; but as was discussed earlier...you can feel free to rescind yourself from participation if you think the poll or post is meaningless.

I understand the poll is not definitive...doesn't tell the whole story; is in some people's mind skewed, etc. But that's why we have brains, right? I take the information and make a decision; if I just took what got the most votes, it wouldn't be a decision at all...would it?

As for the results being "skewed"...what else is there? ALL opinions are skewed or biased. Actually, I think it's some of you guys who are obsessed with the poll. I can just hear you all now: "no, no, no...why is that getting so many votes! that is not the best sub!"...lol

Please, everyone relax. The poll has to have some value; after all, do you think people just cruise AVS, looking to lead other sub-buyers astray with their false votes? But I understand, it's opinion...and it will be weighted as such.

As for the size of my friend's room; I also think you guys are fixated on that a bit. Sure, I understand it's important...and I've asked. My friend hasn't gotten back to me yet, and you can lead a horse to water and all that. I've already said it's "big-ish". Tell me...in this group of contenders, will it make that much difference if it's 20 x 14 or 18 x 14?

Thanks again, to those who have participated without the indignation.

CD
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post #39 of 72
4/28/12 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

As for the size of my friend's room; I also think you guys are fixated on that a bit. Sure, I understand it's important...and I've asked. My friend hasn't gotten back to me yet, and you can lead a horse to water and all that. I've already said it's "big-ish". Tell me...in this group of contenders, will it make that much difference if it's 20 x 14 or 18 x 14?

Reread the link. It's cubic volume that matters, not just the floor space. "Big-ish" is relative and only a little bit more useful for decision making as that poll. Meanwhile, I doesn't seem you've told anyone your friend's usage percentages yet. Those two parameters together would make a difference as to whether or not someone would recommend the Legend, the Plus, or the EX.

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Thanks again, to those who have participated without the indignation.

I didn't offer you any indignation with my original suggestion that you ignore the poll. I recommend you remove the chip from your shoulder, focus on your friend's needs instead, and read more closely.
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post #40 of 72
4/28/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Meanwhile, I doesn't seem you've told anyone your friend's usage percentages yet.

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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

No; for my buddy anyway (I think Flt Simulation was asking for his own purposes) this sub would be almost 100% HT

Perhaps it is you who should read more closely?

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Those two parameters together would make a difference as to whether or not someone would recommend the Legend, the Plus, or the EX.

OK then...please give me your ranking, and justification...as to why you would recommend the Legend in a 16 x 14 x 8 room, but the EX in a 18 x 16 x 9 room; but the Plus in a whatever sized room? My point is...at this price level, size, and output...isn't "best" going to be "best", no matter what size his room (within reason). I can understand if it was like "oh...his room is 20 x 14 x 9; you need to step-up in price for a room that size". But the budget is fixed; so please tell me how one of these subs is the right choice in a smaller "big-ish" room...but the wrong choice in a bigger "big-ish" room?

And that'll be the last piece of advice I take. Unfortunately, the thread has taken the inevitable turn.

CD
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post #41 of 72
4/28/12 at 1:40pm
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OK then...please give me your ranking, and justification...as to why you would recommend the Legend in a 16 x 14 x 8 room, but the EX in a 18 x 16 x 9 room; but the Plus in a whatever sized room?

This is the first time I think you have mentioned ceiling height. If the actual room dimensions--assuming it's not open to other rooms as part of an open floor plan--are around 2,000 cubic feet, then all of these subs will be fine in terms of SPL. And BTW, I don't think anyone who posts here regularly thinks of 2,000 cubic feet as "big-ish," which is why actual dimensions are helpful.
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post #42 of 72
4/28/12 at 7:28pm
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This is the first time I think you have mentioned ceiling height. If the actual room dimensions--assuming it's not open to other rooms as part of an open floor plan--are around 2,000 cubic feet, then all of these subs will be fine in terms of SPL. And BTW, I don't think anyone who posts here regularly thinks of 2,000 cubic feet as "big-ish," which is why actual dimensions are helpful.

Those dimensions are made-up...so I never said those dimensions were "big-ish"; only that I think my friend's room is (and...again, if you actually read some of my posts...I used my "small-ish" room of 18 x 12 for comparison). My point is still valid, and you really didn't address it; only argued with me further: I don't think you can say any of these subs is a better recommendation, based on room size.

Isn't the EX supposed to have the "best" output? OK, so that's the recommendation for a "BIG" room; but if the room were cozier, you woudn't still recommend the EX? I'm not sure I agree.

In any case, it's becoming the CD & Cel show...and I'm not into that show. This matter is fairly settled: I've advised my find to try to get an acceptable discount on the EX. If he can get it at a price he likes, then I've suggested I think it would be a fine buy. If Outlaw won't budge...and he wants to stay at $500; it'll be between the Epik Legend and the LFM-1 Plus.

If it comes to that, I might post a new poll with just those 2 contenders. I assume that'll be a "valid" poll...since both subs cost exactly the same.

CD
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post #43 of 72
4/28/12 at 8:49pm
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Those dimensions are made-up. . . . If it comes to that, I might post a new poll with just those 2 contenders. I assume that'll be a "valid" poll...since both subs cost exactly the same.

Well, thanks for wasting my time. All you need to do is provide information so that people can help you. Another round of polling would be a waste of your time and everyone else's time. It would be best for your friend to read the this post, and come himself and post, and then people can help it out. That will be much more effective than having a poor intermediary
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post #44 of 72
4/29/12 at 6:54am
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Well, thanks for wasting my time. All you need to do is provide information so that people can help you. Another round of polling would be a waste of your time and everyone else's time. It would be best for your friend to read the this post, and come himself and post, and then people can help it out. That will be much more effective than having a poor intermediary

Cel, you're a funny guy my man. It's obvious you're just trying to goad me into insulting you or something...and then I guess you can go running to the mods.

I say obvious, because I've posted things like this

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My friend hasn't gotten back to me yet, and you can lead a horse to water and all that. I've already said it's "big-ish". Tell me...in this group of contenders, will it make that much difference if it's 20 x 14 or 18 x 14?

and yet you're like "what...those aren't his real dimensions?? Thanks for wasting my time". Yes...his real dimensions are both 20 x 14 and 18 x 14. He has a house in a parallel universe, where he doesn't have to adhere to our laws of physics and such.. As I said...you're a riot.

This poll and post have been extraordinarily useful; everyone else has no problem with a suggestion or vote. You take things too seriously bro; I'd suggest something to "relax" you. Now...which was your recommendation again, so I can put it at the bottom of my guy's list? Oh that's right...you don't give opinions; just bust chops.

Thanks everyone; I'll finish the thread off with the final outcome.

CD
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post #45 of 72
4/29/12 at 9:08am
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Cel, you're a funny guy my man. It's obvious you're just trying to goad me into insulting you or something...and then I guess you can go running to the mods.

You clearly don't need anyone to goad you to get a reaction out of you, and my purpose with this last post was to point out to others that are reading this thread that it would be much better to have the person that is buying the sub participate.

I previously posted quite a few responses in this and your previous thread that were aimed at assisting you. And then, when I suggest that the poll is flawed and that you should just focus on sub characteristics--with a very good reason listed--you take it personally and act snarky, and you insist that's what you are doing, when in actuality the post I replied to showed that you were still thinking the value of the poll. And when I point that out and explain myself further, you acted out again.

So yes. Your friend should come himself and follow the established protocol for receiving assistance in the AVS subwoofer forum that is listed in that link, so that we can help him. And the fact that you see the room dimensions as a "fixation" that doesn't indicate an understanding of how important that is means that you can't.
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post #46 of 72
4/29/12 at 11:26am
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You clearly don't need anyone to goad you to get a reaction out of you, and my purpose with this last post was to point out to others that are reading this thread that it would be much better to have the person that is buying the sub participate.

I previously posted quite a few responses in this and your previous thread that were aimed at assisting you. And then, when I suggest that the poll is flawed and that you should just focus on sub characteristics--with a very good reason listed--you take it personally and act snarky, and you insist that's what you are doing, when in actuality the post I replied to showed that you were still thinking the value of the poll. And when I point that out and explain myself further, you acted out again.

So yes. Your friend should come himself and follow the established protocol for receiving assistance in the AVS subwoofer forum that is listed in that link, so that we can help him. And the fact that you see the room dimensions as a "fixation" that doesn't indicate an understanding of how important that is means that you can't.

Cel, this will be my last post on the subject. Again...the matter is closed; I don't know why you're still going on and on.

You're not following me; or not trying to on purpose, which is what I suspect. I never said...nor would I ever indicate...that the dimensions weren't important. I understand they are. However, I did challenge you once...and you never clarified, just b*tched...to tell how, in this case, they would alter the recommendation.

What do you think is the best sub in this list (I don't even think you've even bothered to weigh-in yet). Would it really be a different answer, based on the size of his room? Within this list? Really? OK, if so...explain.

CD
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post #47 of 72
4/29/12 at 11:57am
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What do you think is the best sub in this list (I don't even think you've even bothered to weigh-in yet). Would it really be a different answer, based on the size of his room? Within this list? Really? OK, if so...explain.

Like I said, I've tried to help you, both in this thread and the previous one.

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For those of you, who have chosen the Outlaw LFM-1 EX over the Plus; can I ask what the extra $150 gets you?

Thanks,
CD

A little better low end extension and definitely more output. It's undoubtedly the most powerful sub in this poll. See the review. Since you said your buddy just "bought a big, new house," if he's got a big room where the HT setup will be, he should go for the EX.

I had not voted for the EX, I would have voted for the Plus.
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post #48 of 72
4/29/12 at 1:18pm
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Like I said, I've tried to help you, both in this thread and the previous one.

OK...gotcha; EX first, Plus second. Now...tell me how if I gave you dimensions, that would change your preference??

CD
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post #49 of 72
4/29/12 at 6:20pm
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Cel, you're a funny guy my man. It's obvious you're just trying to goad me into insulting you or something...and then I guess you can go running to the mods.

Not to take up for anyone here, but all of Cels questions and concerns are valid IMO and the poll is clearly a popularity contest rather than what would be better for your friends budget and needs even though you said you will take that into consideration. The Outlaw EX shouldnt be included in that poll unless you wanted to start adding in other subs in that class like the HSU VTF3 mk4 etc... And as for Cel running to the mods, I can assure you he will be one of the last ones to do that as in the past, under a misunderstanding i basically told him to go F himself. It should have never gotten that far and I was never contacted from a mod. We follow a lot of the same threads and I believe we are all here to help and learn and he really does like to help when he can.

Advice is free here and it is easy to take a post out of context. Thoughtful posts are better answered than reactive posts.
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post #50 of 72
4/29/12 at 7:15pm
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Not to take up for anyone here, but all of Cels questions and concerns are valid IMO and the poll is clearly a popularity contest rather than what would be better for your friends budget and needs even though you said you will take that into consideration. The Outlaw EX shouldnt be included in that poll unless you wanted to start adding in other subs in that class like the HSU VTF3 mk4 etc... And as for Cel running to the mods, I can assure you he will be one of the last ones to do that as in the past, under a misunderstanding i basically told him to go F himself. It should have never gotten that far and I was never contacted from a mod. We follow a lot of the same threads and I believe we are all here to help and learn and he really does like to help when he can.

Advice is free here and it is easy to take a post out of context. Thoughtful posts are better answered than reactive posts.

OK, point taken...and my apologies to Cel. Look, I'm not a hardcore sub guy...and said as much. And my friend is not a hardcore sub guy. I'm trying to do him better than the crap he'd want to buy from the local B&M.

That being said...I'm not sure I get this whole "it's a popularity contest" rationale? OK...the "winner" of the poll is the most "popular"; but isn't it popular for a reason? Right now, it's the Epik Legend. OK...so, why are most people voting for it? Is it the coolest looking? It's not like Polk, or Velodyne...that it's simply the best known, right?

Aren't those people voting saying they believe it's the "best"? If you...or Cel say "the Epik Legend is the most popular...but the Outlaw subs are the best"...isn't that you just expressing your preference, like I assume the people who voted for the Epik expressed theirs?

FWIW it's worth, those are the contenders at this point; if my buddy can't talk the EX down, it'll probably be between the Legend and Plus, at the stated $500 budget. I see what you guys are saying about the EX drawing votes away from the Plus...but don't fret; that still would have put the Legend in 2nd place (and...you say polls are meaningless...but I guess if the Plus had "won", then it would have been valid...lol)

I'll say this; the Outlaw camp is the most vocal and passionate. But just because you shout the loudest, also doesn't make it the better sub. If I was concerned about buying the absolute, greatest existing, no doubt about it better sub...I'd hammer this thing to death. But at this point, I have the feeling either one of these subs is plenty "good" for my first-time, never had an HT in his life friend.

Thanks again; and if indeed I post a "fair" poll...which is Legend vs. Plus, both at $500...I hope all will participate. Again, my apologies to Cel. I like passionate advocates; I just wasn't looking to take this thing too seriously (serious...just not too serious).

CD
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post #51 of 72
4/29/12 at 8:18pm
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That being said...I'm not sure I get this whole "it's a popularity contest" rationale? OK...the "winner" of the poll is the most "popular"; but isn't it popular for a reason?

The winner of the poll is the EX. These are typically considered the top three 12" HT subs under $800: the EX, SVS PB12-NSD, and HSU VTF-3 MK4. The other 12" subs you have listed are generally considered a notch down in performance class. So of course it gets picked #1.

Then, as I explained, because you put the EX in there and everyone can only vote once, you have no idea what the winner would be from that other class of 12" subs. Who knows how people who voted for the EX would have voted?

So, if you don't want to find out all the information that helps people to make a good recommendation, then just pick one at random or the one your friend likes the looks of best from the FV12, Legend, Plus, or VTF-2 MK4. They are comparable in class, although with much more nuanced information than you have been able to provide, one choice could be better than another.
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post #52 of 72
4/29/12 at 8:22pm
I have to admit i am an Outlaw Plus owner, but i dab into a lot of the subwoofer owners threads. I try not to push what I own vs what I want and I like to factor in most of what I read on others experiences of what they own. I am in no way an expert on all subs, but i do read about a lot of them so I may have a little more knowledge than the average joe.

If what you say is true about your friend not knowing any better than any of the choices on that list will be a killer experience for him and I would pick the lowest price sub and go with that. Depending on his room size he may not get that pressurize ear pop, deep kick you in the chest, but a lot of people are ignorant to that and are happily amazed what a good sub will do since they have never had that in their home before. The only thing that stands out to me is that the Epiks have had a lot of failures with their drivers which may be an issue, but they seem to be prompt on getting that straight. If I did have to pick from that list it would no doubt be the EX, but at the same time knowing what I know and have experienced I would spend a little extra and get the HSU VTF3 mk4, but at the sale price that Outlaw has several times a year there is no comparison.

Full price is a different story and my preference changes the more I read. A few months ago I was very close to a Rythmik, now I am spending a bit more and going for the HSU VTF15 so with the choices there is no clear loser, only how much upgradeitis bites you in the rear
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post #53 of 72
4/30/12 at 4:24am
I've never seen a reported "driver" failure for a Legend, malfunctioning auto on/off switch yes. Once in contact with Epik they were taken care of asap (via replacement amp).

This is from Karen at Epik in a response to a customer with an amp problem on another forum, It is dated from mid June 2011 so??? (accuracy)

"It is true. There was a problem with this specific customer’s subwoofer. We have never had a single driver failure in the history of our company, but we do have a very small percentage of bad amps. And a huge percentage of happy customers who don't post on forums, especially after they've gotten our subs and heard what they can do!"
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post #54 of 72
4/30/12 at 5:56am
My .02:

I think any of the subs would be satisfactory, so I would turn my attention to looks and size. Will the size affect where the sub could/would be located? The more options in placement the better.

A good friend might take their sub over and measure at different locations to find the best place to put the new sub. See if any, what size restrictions there might be. just saying
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post #55 of 72
4/30/12 at 6:38am
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I've never seen a reported "driver" failure for a Legend, malfunctioning auto on/off switch yes. Once in contact with Epik they were taken care of asap (via replacement amp).

This is from Karen at Epik in a response to a customer with an amp problem on another forum, It is dated from mid June 2011 so??? (accuracy)

"It is true. There was a problem with this specific customer's subwoofer. We have never had a single driver failure in the history of our company, but we do have a very small percentage of bad amps. And a huge percentage of happy customers who don't post on forums, especially after they've gotten our subs and heard what they can do!"

Yeah thats what it was. It even had its own thread a few months ago about the amp failures and a lot of people were unhappy and some out of luck as the warranty ran out. Like I said, I`m sure Ed has since resolved the problem and none of the subs listed would be a bad choice.
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post #56 of 72
4/30/12 at 4:46pm
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The long-awaited, highly anticipated...hotly debated...dimensions of my friend's room.

18' L x 22' W x 8' C

CD
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post #57 of 72
4/30/12 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

The long-awaited, highly anticipated...hotly debated...dimensions of my friend's room.

18' L x 22' W x 8' C

CD

Is it also open to other rooms?
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post #58 of 72
4/30/12 at 5:36pm
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Is it also open to other rooms?

Closed room with doors.

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post #59 of 72
4/30/12 at 6:00pm
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Closed room with doors.

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It stills boils down to "get the best sub you can afford" If he can afford the Outlaw LFM-1 EX then that would be the one I would pick. If he can not budge on the budget then the Plus is the one he should buy. However he will sit there for months on end wondering "If I had just saved my money for two more months and spent that extra 150, how much better would the overall experienced be in my room right now?"
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post #60 of 72
4/30/12 at 7:00pm
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It stills boils down to "get the best sub you can afford".

Uh...I believe this is what I maintained all along?

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