Official Sony HX850 Owner's Thread (46HX850, 55HX850) - Page 5

Thanks Kevin.

One thing i found strange.


It does have local dimming, all be it edge based, but that is what LED Dynamic Control is, it doesn't just brighten and the whole screen.

One question Kevin, Does the Sony still have Off - Low - Standard settings for Led Dynamic Control (is it still called that?) or is it just on and off?

Thanks

Aaron

Ah after reading here.

http://translate.google.fr/translate...-kalibracja%2F

It does have the same settings with regards LED Dynamic Control.

Also some good pics in the link.

Aaron

Thanks for the info mate, i would run this (or any) set with the dimming features turned on, so this set is just sounding more and more sweet to my ears

If anyone would want to post photos tho i would really appreciate it, its kinda like "I need to see to believe it" as it almost sounds too good to be true

Some good pictures in the link posted above of the Sony with LED Dynamic Control off aka local dimming, and it on. Big difference.

Aaron

It does indeed have Standard/Low/Off. I noticed that Low still has some backlight bleed on a black screen, so I stuck to Standard. Even on very bright scenes, if a corner is black, it is BLACK.

Also, I use a much brighter pic than most ppl on here: Backlight 6, Eco Off. I notice a little blooming on the black screen my FIOS box provides when it is off. It has a moving Verizon logo screensaver, and there is a little halo around it as it moves around. However, it is hardly noticeable and if you used a dimmer picture you would not see it.

Motionflow Clear also dims the picture a little bit and makes the contrast look better to my eyes. It might be that the black frames and backlight strobe help sync with the Dynamic LED.

Thanks Kevin much appreciated.

Any thoughts on Pulse motion flow setting? It sounds interesting.

Thanks again

Aaron

Impulse reminds me of Clear/Clear Plus on my EX720- it is very dark. I am not a big fan of it. I think I can see the flicker, almost like the 3D on my old EX720. Yuck.

Also odd, when looking at the Polish review above (best one yet), and their explanation of motionflow, I am a bit confused. Clear Plus is darker than Clear, yet according to their explanation, it should not be. Also, they do not explain Standard. I think they are Wrazny and Wraznyjszy, and that other one is Smooth. Polish is fun

cnet's reviewhttp://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...sults;prodInfo

I don't trust cnet reviews alot, but from what I have seen best lcd of the year. With cleary better off angle viewing to the 929.

I agree about that stand though, wtf?

Nice Review! Seems to be in the ballpark of the best plasmas this year! It seems they've tightened up a lot of the usual flaws like viewing angle, uniformity,etc. Saying that it is 95% of the 929's performance is very impressive, plus with less blooming.

Thanks again Kevin, is it flicker during fast motion using impulse or just in general?

Yeah i found google translate didn't do a great job there pretty hard to understand parts, of course it can't even translate the writing on images.

Why are the best reviews in polish/ every other language but English.

The review of the 55HX853 (Uk) will be on Avforums soon, and they are very thorough.

Aaron

Difficult choice here and need an advice...

Now I have a G10 Panasonic Plasma and I was planning to change.

My use is:

55% 720p (serials)
30% 1080p (bluray)
15% Gaming

First choice was VT50 always by Panasonic but... 55VT50 is not yet available here in Italy and should arrive in June (no one knows if mid or end...) and then I've seen the new 55HX85 by Sony in real life and was really surprised by the image quality and design. Plus I've found an offer like 400 euro less then the official RRP.

On the paper VT looks almost unbeatable but the late arriving, the vertical banding problem posted by some UK users and a possible price higher than 2.500 scare me a bit, on the other side the Sony is a LED, never had one and I don't know if I will notice a downgrade compared to plasma (I mean long term vision), has 6 degree inclination angle stand that I don't know if can be a problem...

What do I do??? Wait the VT or go with Sony taking advantage of the offer?

Thanks

Hello all,

After owing my wonderful 61" DLP Samsung for almost 5 years.. I am itching to upgrade and from what i have seen of this Sony set I am impressed, even though it is 5 inches smaller it seems brighter, has better color and texture and clearer. The only thing I am worried about is Gaming... I play about 40 percent of the time Xbox 360 first person and fast moving games along with my PS2 AND WII.... I have noticed form some of the posts i have read that this set seems to work OK with games in the gaming mode where some have noticed no lag and some others have. I have had no issues at all with my Samsung DLP in its "game" mode.. the Sony looks to blow it away in TV , bLUE-rAY and streaming wi-fi features.. i have a ton of blu-rays and dvd's. Any help or advice on the gaming side of things would be appreciated as I am about ready to pull the trigger soon. Does anyone know if the netflix built into this set is version 3.0 with the 1080p and DD+ sound? Thanks for any help or advice.... I will be hooking up my OPPO BDP-83 to the set.. looks to be a great match.....


Thanks!!

Got an update today! Woohoo!

Mike, this TV is awesome for Xbox 360. Game mode is probably about as lag free as it gets, but if you try XReality Auto and Motionflow Clear, you will be in love. I don't "feel" any lag and I have been a gamer for 30 years. My CoD performance is unaffected (I still suck :P). You may want to wait for the opinion of AV pros, but I think this TV is great for gaming!

3D Halo and Gears are awesome too, but there you can feel the lag, so don't play online. It's so cool to play an FPS in 3D. There is a little crosstalk sometimes (my gun in Halo has a triple image) but it is nowhere near as bad as my problems with the EX720.

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_10...ture-settings/

Here is their calibration advice. I am gonna try it but I know I will hate it because I hate Warm 2 (#@*% sepia crap) and low Backlight, but we'll see. This should be good for gaming because they turn off all post processing, but I imagine it will be too dim, and I also like how Xreality makes Xbox look like true 1080p and Motionflow smooths out the frame rate.

Glad to finally see the CNET report on this TV to support the other good reviews. Time to go out and get mine...

Finally got mine ordered. It is coming Freight from Crutchfield. Sadly it is going to take 5 to 7 days to get here.

Can someone please confirm if this set can play .MKV files off a USB properly?

Thanks.

Review of the Sony 55HX853 on Avforums (3 denotes UK freeview tuner, we also get speaker bar stand instead of standard stand).

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Sony...06/Review.html

Aaron

Hello everybody!

So I got my 55" HX 855 yesterday and I'm sad to say, I feel underwhelmed

After calibrating for hours I still couldn't get the fantastic picture almost every review is talking about.
I've tried the cnet calibrated settings, and they weren't that amazing.

But maybe it is because I had very high expectations on this one. I'm also very finicky when it comes to picture quality.

I've searched for so long for the next fantastic tv and thought I'd found it.

My last tv, the 40" Sony x4500 seems a lot sharper and have another shall I say, presence. And that one don't have local dimming.

Is this common when going from 40" to 55". Is it perhaps the glass front that make it feel more like looking thru a lens?

And all the talk of great blacks... It really isn't that great. In daylight yes, but not so in a dark room. And there is no punch to the picture.
Or yes, there is, sometimes it's blinding when there is a bright light, like lightsabers or similar. But the overall picture looks bland.
It looks like a back projection tv. There is some minor clouding that I can almost calibrate away. But hardly any flashlights, which is good.
But the blacks are almost just like my old x4500, greyish, only dark greyish. And yes, I have the local dimming on, backlight set to about 2,
brightness and color set to around 50 and contrast to 85. All processing set to off, but I do use the drc-palette to get more sharpness. I'm very used to calibrate a tv to get the most out of it, and still this one is hard to get the "wow" from.

Don't get me wrong. I still wan't this tv set. I just want it to be right.

Maybe this is just a faulty set? Or maybe I have to get used to how image quality on a tv with a glass front should look like.

This is what I watched and played on the HX 855 so far:

Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix, Blu-ray HDMI PS3
Star Wars episode III, Blu-ray HDMI PS3
Ice Age 2, Blu-ray HDMI PS3
Skyrim Xbox 360, HDMI

I'm gonna try some more after work and try other movies to see if there is any difference.

Any thoughts would be great!

I really hope that you who purchased this tv get a better experience than I have so far.

Best regards and thanks!

MH22, post your settings. Then maybe we can help.

I went back to using Motionflow Standard over the weekend because I felt like Clear was giving me a headache. I was using Clear & Backlight Max on Scene General Custom, because it's hard to get the whites white with Clear on. Now I am back to Scene General Standard set up like this:

Backlight: 5
Picture: Max
Bright: 50
Color: 55
Sharp: 50
Temp: Neutral
All AUTO for the rest
Motionflow Standard
Cinemotion Off
Advanced: Only Dynamic LED set to Standard

For Clear, I used the same stuff but Backlight Max. This makes it almost as bright as Standard Backlight 5. I love the way this looks, almost like a CRT.

Also, I can confirm that Cinemotion adds the Soap Opera Effect (vomit), not Motionflow.

Oh, and as for your grays problem, is your PS3/Xbox output set to full RGB? If so, you must turn ON Full HDMI Dynamic Range under Picture Settings in the Home Settings Menu. Personally I am sticking with YCC709 because I think it looks a little better on this TV. Contrast is phenomenal.

Hi Kevin,

Have you turned the Ambient light sensor (not sure what its called in the US) or any energy saving features off?

I found on my HX823 it made a huge difference and once off backlight of max would require shades.

Anyone notice Dirty Screen Effect (vertical black lines on fast panning scenes like baseball, ice hockey) on this TV?

Hey!

Thanks for your kindness!
I found the ambient sensor and turned it off.
And I think that was the main problem with the picture. Now the images are clearer and I feel that the contrast is far better. And that's a relief.

I tried Avatar, Cars and Kung Fu Panda. They all looked great. SD picture still not so hot. Do you know if there is a way to turn the database video enhancement on when watching digital cable, because it's greyed out?

My settings as of now are changing all the time depending on daylight. Mostly at night I go with the cnet settings, meaning low backlight and cinema 2 with their adjustment to white balance and so on. I will try your settings.

If I go with to much backlight it hurts my eyes. On the x4500 I kept the backlight around 4. But I've noticed that this set is so different in its characteristics that the same settings don't apply.

I will try the RGB HDMI settings you recommended.

Thanks again! Happier now

How is the black now compared to your old x4500?

Far better. Now the blacks are black!
The bars over and under are black.
It makes me wonder what the light sensor does with the picture.
I thought it only dimmed the backlight like the energy savings setting.
But it must do something else. It's like a filter coming off or something.

...still, when watching 4:3 content the bars at the side still have more of a greyish look to dem.
It is not a problem but I suppose it's an indication that it has to do with the way the dimming zones are laid out.
The blacks are best when using the local dimming on my set. When put to off they're still greyish but not to the
extent they were before I switched the light sensor off. I suppose it's a question of getting the calibration right.

/M

Rajivr, yes I am having same issues like you are experiencing vertical darker lines . i got the set exchanged and second one has severe flashlight issues at the sides but not dark vertical lines, and think is a quality control issue that sony have to address asap. the second set is going back for a third and last if is not correct it I will get different brand.