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post #1321 of 1919
1/14/13 at 5:51pm
Hey guys just picked up the floor model from hh gregg with extended warranty. So far im pleased with everything! Only watched hd cable and it looks great. No flashlighting that i can see. Also no noticeable dse or banding. Ill stop looking for it haha. No setting changes yet besides turning off the light sensor. Overall im super happy. The tv turns on quick!!! The gorilla glass is beautiful!!! Looks like my ipad! Will keep you guys posted with my experience. Thanks to everyone on this thread who have helped me out!
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post #1322 of 1919
1/14/13 at 8:53pm
which best buy was it?
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post #1323 of 1919
1/14/13 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

Called sony. Sales floor told me doesnt matter where i buy it or if it is a floor model i still can purchase the extended warranty from sonys website. I will prolly purchase the 3 year for 150.00

Not sure if you are near a Costco but Square Trade 3 year is $100 for TVs >$1k.
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post #1324 of 1919
1/15/13 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

Hey guys just picked up the floor model from hh gregg with extended warranty. So far im pleased with everything! Only watched hd cable and it looks great. No flashlighting that i can see. Also no noticeable dse or banding. Ill stop looking for it haha. No setting changes yet besides turning off the light sensor. Overall im super happy. The tv turns on quick!!! The gorilla glass is beautiful!!! Looks like my ipad! Will keep you guys posted with my experience. Thanks to everyone on this thread who have helped me out!

Congrats Danediz!! smile.gif

Hope you enjoy your TV.
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post #1325 of 1919
1/15/13 at 5:53am
Due to my crosstalk issue (page 41 #1230) I was told to return my KDL-46HX853 to the retailer for a replacement only to be told they can no longer get stock in.

I wonder how long until the 2013 variant is available?! Seems in the UK people wont be getting any more stock of these :-(
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post #1326 of 1919
1/15/13 at 5:58am
Why did sony discontinue the model?

I'm guessing the new ones come out soon.
What are the estimated prices for the new ones?
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post #1327 of 1919
1/15/13 at 6:56am
So far nothing is known about price or date of the new models. Not even if those 4K models will actually replace the 2012 models, or if they are a new (probably higher priced) series. If they are a new series, then we probably soon here about the real successor to the HX850.
And yes, I'm still waiting on my middle December ordered TV frown.gif
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post #1328 of 1919
1/15/13 at 8:19am
Oh well! I wonder where I stand for refund purposes as I got a free 5 year warranty and bluray player which i'd like to keep smile.gif
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post #1329 of 1919
1/15/13 at 9:50am
Hi, Got this tv 3 weeks ago and am getting used to it. I am going from a Sony 27" crt to this hdtv. I have spent time (visiting family) with an LG led backlit 42" HDTV and a Panny Plasma G?55 (both a few yrs old) and have not had a bad reaction. I especially love the Panny Plasma but needed to get a TV 42" to 46" (not available in the US for months now) and thought the Sony would be worth a try.

Like some others who have commented here, I am sensitive to fluorescent lights and different led/lcd monitors, as well as crt 60hz efresh rates.

I have been trying to figure out which settings to adjust to avoid eye strain & fatigue/nausea with this tv. I have searched the forums and found some helpful info and some contradictory views on panel type (some prefer plasma and some prefer lcd/led) and what to do with back lighting etc.

My Sony now has about 200 hours on it. I sit 8ft from the tv and am now using ambient lighting. My main source is RCN HDTV w/tivo preview cable box which I am running at 1080i, older dvd and vhs players, laserdisc -- I do plan on upgrading to bluray/progressive scan dvd.

In addition to having some low lights on around the room, I found that turning off the advanced features helps to minimize or eliminate flicker fatigue/discomfort. Also turning sharpness down helps. I have not yet calibrated the color settings but I am in the ball park for brightness using these settings below.

Ideally I would know more about the technology behind each of these settings but that is hard to find out. I'd like to optimize the picture and eliminate discomfort -- and knowing more about each setting would help. I have searched around on the internet and found some explanations but if sony is selling it to you they should explain it to you.

Suggestions? Advice? on settings, setup?

BTW I will be trying out Chronitis's settings soon.

Here are the settings I am using now:
Cinema 2
Backlight 5-7
Contrast/Picture 88
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color temperature Warm 2
Sharpness 25
Noise reduction Off
Dot noise reduction Off
Reality Creation Off
Smooth gradation Off
Motionflow Off
Film mode Off
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma 0
LED Dynamic Control Off
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Color Off
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge enhancer Off
Eco Off
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post #1330 of 1919
1/15/13 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by apocReg View Post

Due to my crosstalk issue (page 41 #1230) I was told to return my KDL-46HX853 to the retailer for a replacement only to be told they can no longer get stock in.

I wonder how long until the 2013 variant is available?! Seems in the UK people wont be getting any more stock of these :-(
The HX8XX series set will not be returning this year. It has been replaced with the W802A which replaces the HX750/850 in their line-up. From what I can tell which is very little from their site is it will be passive 3D and no gorilla glass. The set will be available in 47" and 55" sizes. The motion flow technology found in the HX850 will be halved as well down from 960-480, if that matters to you? I am not sure if they are employing LG's FPR for their passive 3D, but for contrast and black level performance I hope they do not use their IPS panels.
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&searchType=search&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&productId=8198552921666519667
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post #1331 of 1919
1/15/13 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

The HX8XX series set will not be returning this year. It has been replaced with the W802A which replaces the HX750/850 in their line-up. From what I can tell which is very little from their site is it will be passive 3D and no gorilla glass. The set will be available in 47" and 55" sizes. The motion flow technology found in the HX850 will be halved as well down from 960-480, if that matters to you? I am not sure if they are employing LG's FPR for their passive 3D, but for contrast and black level performance I hope they do not use their IPS panels.
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&searchType=search&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&productId=8198552921666519667

The 900 will actually replace the 850. The one u speak of replaces the 750
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post #1332 of 1919
1/15/13 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

The 900 will actually replace the 850. The one u speak of replaces the 750

It cant, the 900 doesn't come in 46"
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post #1333 of 1919
1/15/13 at 1:47pm
XBR-55X900A to replace the 55HX950, I wonder how many will jump on it if it is over $10,000
either way I guess we now have a standard for the 3D and everybody can jump on board now.
passive 3D that is, I guess with 4K it will pass people questioning it now.......

Sony at ces 2013
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post #1334 of 1919
1/15/13 at 1:50pm
sorry just checked and it says the 55W900 is active 3D so I guess Sony only
did the 4K with the passive 3D
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post #1335 of 1919
1/15/13 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Guibs View Post

For the view angle, it's the limitation of the technology. If it makes you feel any better (or worst), the panel used on that TV is one of the "good" non IPS panel I've personally seen. I've seen much worst view angle from other PVA panels. You could get better view angle from an IPS panel (mostly on LG TV) but you will lose some of those inky blacks.

As for your other question, I prefer to have seperate settings on all my input as I set them differently considering if I'm playing video games, watching a bluray or cable.

I knew that the viewing would be narrower but it's almost absurdly narrow...I literally have to sit exactly in the middle, evan a foot or two shift and the thing starts to wash out. As for blacks, they seem decent but nothing great. I dunno, I'm using CNET's calibrated settings at the moment but this tv is nothing special from what I can see. I would have guessed it would have been sub $800 from what I've seen so far if I didn't know any better. Looks great when it's turned off but not so much when it's on confused.gif
Edited by MyTMouse - 1/15/13 at 2:18pm
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post #1336 of 1919
1/15/13 at 2:07pm
Has anyone looked at a 1x1 pixel black/white checkerboard pattern on their HX850? My 46HX850 is interesting to say the least. For example, in the Cinema modes, it has a pronounced green tint that varies with color temperature, which I sort of expected, but there are three purplish half-circles spaced equally along the bottom edge, which simply aren't present in the pattern. You should be able to see them in the picture below. This is with all settings off, or for ones that can't be turned off like "Color", they're at their default values. Given that everything else looks normal aside from the green push, I figure this pattern is a pathological case for the image processing the TV does, but I see the same thing even in Game mode, where the processing is minimal, so I guess it could be some weirdness with the panel. I'm getting the pattern from AVS709HD, and I've verified it in XBMC and also with my standalone Bluray player. I've also created the pattern in a paint program and verified it when viewing the static image full-screen. My PC is connected directly to the TV with HDMI, while the BD player goes through my Pioneer AVR. The TV is set to full pixel, of course, and it's displaying the full 1920x1080 images with no scaling. I do not observe this on my NEC 20WMGX2 monitor connected to the same PC. I do not observe this on my 46EX500, which uses CCFL backlighting, with the AVS709HD "Misc Patterns\D - Resolution\1-Checkerboard Pattern.mp4" on a USB thumb drive plugged into a WDTV Live as the source. I do not observe any anomaly with a true 50% solid gray pattern or any other color pattern.

While I don't see this in normal content, or even other test screens, it's nonetheless disconcerting. I've never see anything like it. It makes me think, "I'm glad I'm not running my old Atari 520ST with its simulated gray monochrome desktop, or the original Mac, which I think used the same kind of pattern." And of course there's the worry that it will show up in real content, even though real content has looked great, and other resolution patterns have looked normal. Any ideas? What do you see on your set? (To be clear, the photograph below is not the checkerboard pattern; it is a photo of my TV screen.)

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post #1337 of 1919
1/15/13 at 3:26pm
Has anyone had this set professionally ISF calibrated? If so, please comment on the results/settings.
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post #1338 of 1919
1/15/13 at 3:43pm
@tima all the 46" hx850s I've seen have displayed a similar pattern on a grey screen I thinks it just the way the backlight is designed. I can see it in real content but I have to be viewing the tv from an angle.
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post #1339 of 1919
1/15/13 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by chrisg75 View Post

Originally Posted by chrisg75

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Originally Posted by tima94930

This is not a common general complaint, so what is the source material, e.g. cable broadcast, DVD, Bluray, or what? What's the resolution? If it isn't everything, what are the exact titles?

Ok, from memory everything I am referring to is on free to air TV in Australia. So it's obviously not going to be hd stuff, I would say most stuff would be 576i or some might be lower.

To be honest I haven't specifically checked a blu ray disc for this but it just really jumps out at me in comparison to my 5 year old Panasonic plasma.

Anything specific to check ?

Cheers for the help

Nothing specific. It's just there are not a lot of people complaining about what you've described, which makes me suspect there's something unusual about the source material more than anything. The only complaints I recall similar to yours are for the HX950 and are confined to sports, and while the posters are adamant the TV is just plain bad for sports (and nothing else!), I think they're mistaken. It's true some broadcasts are affected, but others are not. For example, Fox NFL games have been really bad about pixelation around players in longer distance shots, like when they zoom out to show both teams lining up for a play. But I see this on my 4-5 year old Sony TVs, too, not just my 46HX850. The issue is not present in a CBS game I still have on the DVR, and it goes away when Fox zooms in on the players. So, the broadcast is definitely a factor. Could the Sony be worse about it than other brands? Sure. But unless one has properly A/B'd the offending recording, I'm doubtful. Comparing LCD to plasma may not be particularly valid here. This is all why I asked you for specific source material, so that others can hopefully report how it looks on their TVs. If it's a really big issue for you, see if you can make a short clip available for download.



Ok thanks. Is there anything I should be checking settings wise?

What is the best way to get a video that is going to show what I am talking about ?

I see it happening the more I look for it lol

Cheers



Anyone offer anything more on this.

Seeing this pixelation around moving objects against the background is getting annoying now that i see it. I wouldnt think it should show up like this but I may be overestimating the LCD/LED tv development.

Cheers
Chris
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post #1340 of 1919
1/15/13 at 10:07pm
The W900 is definitely the replacement for the HX850.
Although there won't be a 46", it IS the first model in their line up with local dimming. (The HX950 will continue to be available for those looking for a step up.)

Hopefully it'll be in the same price range as the HX850 (or better).

Btw, talked to my friend at a Magnolia store. After a couple days of research he couldn't locate any HX850's. (I'm in Florida).
He had no more explanation than anyone else for Sony's abrupt early exit of 2012 TVs.
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post #1341 of 1919
1/16/13 at 3:08am
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Originally Posted by stephsrecords View Post

Hi, Got this tv 3 weeks ago and am getting used to it. I am going from a Sony 27" crt to this hdtv. I have spent time (visiting family) with an LG led backlit 42" HDTV and a Panny Plasma G?55 (both a few yrs old) and have not had a bad reaction. I especially love the Panny Plasma but needed to get a TV 42" to 46" (not available in the US for months now) and thought the Sony would be worth a try.

Like some others who have commented here, I am sensitive to fluorescent lights and different led/lcd monitors, as well as crt 60hz efresh rates.

I have been trying to figure out which settings to adjust to avoid eye strain & fatigue/nausea with this tv. I have searched the forums and found some helpful info and some contradictory views on panel type (some prefer plasma and some prefer lcd/led) and what to do with back lighting etc.

My Sony now has about 200 hours on it. I sit 8ft from the tv and am now using ambient lighting. My main source is RCN HDTV w/tivo preview cable box which I am running at 1080i, older dvd and vhs players, laserdisc -- I do plan on upgrading to bluray/progressive scan dvd.

In addition to having some low lights on around the room, I found that turning off the advanced features helps to minimize or eliminate flicker fatigue/discomfort. Also turning sharpness down helps. I have not yet calibrated the color settings but I am in the ball park for brightness using these settings below.

Ideally I would know more about the technology behind each of these settings but that is hard to find out. I'd like to optimize the picture and eliminate discomfort -- and knowing more about each setting would help. I have searched around on the internet and found some explanations but if sony is selling it to you they should explain it to you.

Suggestions? Advice? on settings, setup?

BTW I will be trying out Chronitis's settings soon.

Here are the settings I am using now:
Cinema 2
Backlight 5-7
Contrast/Picture 88
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color temperature Warm 2
Sharpness 25
Noise reduction Off
Dot noise reduction Off
Reality Creation Off
Smooth gradation Off
Motionflow Off
Film mode Off
Black corrector Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Gamma 0
LED Dynamic Control Off
Auto Light Limiter Off
Clear White Off
Live Color Off
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge enhancer Off
Eco Off

My advice would be to turn LED Dynamic Control on Standard as this is the most important setting on the tv.

Aaron
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post #1342 of 1919
1/16/13 at 3:33am
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

My advice would be to turn LED Dynamic Control on Standard as this is the most important setting on the tv.

Aaron

here here!
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post #1343 of 1919
1/16/13 at 5:21am
I have not had my 850 professionally calibrated but I did find a calibration by FlatPanelsHD.com. that works very well in getting very accurate colors and contrast. My HD cable channels are now extremely uniform in color tones. Picture was professionally calibrated by their web site: :

Viewing mode-Cinema 1
Back-light-7
Contrast-88
Brightness-50
Hue-0
Color Temp-Warm 2
Sharpness-50
Noise Reduction-off
Dot noise reduction-off
Reality Creation-off
Smooth Gradation-off
Motion Flow-Clear
Film Mode-off
Black Corrector-off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer-off
Gamma-0
Led Dynamic Enhancer-off (I have mine set to standard)
Auto Light limiter-off
Clear white-off
Live color-off
Detail Enhancer-off
Edge enhancer-off
R gain-0
G gain- -6
B gain- -1
R bias- -1
G bias- -3
B bias- -1
All Eco -off
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post #1344 of 1919
1/16/13 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by STEVE MORRILL View Post

I have not had my 850 professionally calibrated but I did find a calibration by FlatPanelsHD.com. that works very well in getting very accurate colors and contrast. My HD cable channels are now extremely uniform in color tones. Picture was professionally calibrated by their web site: :

Viewing mode-Cinema 1
Back-light-7
Contrast-88
Brightness-50
Hue-0
Color Temp-Warm 2
Sharpness-50
Noise Reduction-off
Dot noise reduction-off
Reality Creation-off
Smooth Gradation-off
Motion Flow-Clear
Film Mode-off
Black Corrector-off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer-off
Gamma-0
Led Dynamic Enhancer-off (I have mine set to standard)
Auto Light limiter-off
Clear white-off
Live color-off
Detail Enhancer-off
Edge enhancer-off
R gain-0
G gain- -6
B gain- -1
R bias- -1
G bias- -3
B bias- -1
All Eco -off

I know warm2 is the most accurate but am I weird that I don't like it? I prefer neutral or warm1. Same with my Samsung I never went past warm1.

On another note I am pretty impressed by the speakers on the 850. Not great but def better than other slim LEDs. I popped in the dark knight blu ray with almost default settings and it looked amazing. Blacks were great and no light bleed! Side angles show some light leakage like all Lcds but it is uniform! No flashlight effect! Love it!
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post #1345 of 1919
1/16/13 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

I know warm2 is the most accurate but am I weird that I don't like it? I prefer neutral or warm1. Same with my Samsung I never went past warm1.

On another note I am pretty impressed by the speakers on the 850. Not great but def better than other slim LEDs. I popped in the dark knight blu ray with almost default settings and it looked amazing. Blacks were great and no light bleed! Side angles show some light leakage like all Lcds but it is uniform! No flashlight effect! Love it!
glad you like it, the first movie I put in mine was Avatar 3D...
just bought the sony STR DH830 to mate with it.
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post #1346 of 1919
1/16/13 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

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Originally Posted by STEVE MORRILL View Post

I have not had my 850 professionally calibrated but I did find a calibration by FlatPanelsHD.com. that works very well in getting very accurate colors and contrast. My HD cable channels are now extremely uniform in color tones. Picture was professionally calibrated by their web site: :

Viewing mode-Cinema 1
Back-light-7
Contrast-88
Brightness-50
Hue-0
Color Temp-Warm 2
Sharpness-50
Noise Reduction-off
Dot noise reduction-off
Reality Creation-off
Smooth Gradation-off
Motion Flow-Clear
Film Mode-off
Black Corrector-off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer-off
Gamma-0
Led Dynamic Enhancer-off (I have mine set to standard)
Auto Light limiter-off
Clear white-off
Live color-off
Detail Enhancer-off
Edge enhancer-off
R gain-0
G gain- -6
B gain- -1
R bias- -1
G bias- -3
B bias- -1
All Eco -off

I know warm2 is the most accurate but am I weird that I don't like it? I prefer neutral or warm1. Same with my Samsung I never went past warm1.

On another note I am pretty impressed by the speakers on the 850. Not great but def better than other slim LEDs. I popped in the dark knight blu ray with almost default settings and it looked amazing. Blacks were great and no light bleed! Side angles show some light leakage like all Lcds but it is uniform! No flashlight effect! Love it!

I am on the same boat as you, I can never go past warm 1.

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post #1347 of 1919
1/16/13 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

I know warm2 is the most accurate but am I weird that I don't like it? I prefer neutral or warm1. Same with my Samsung I never went past warm1.

On another note I am pretty impressed by the speakers on the 850. Not great but def better than other slim LEDs. I popped in the dark knight blu ray with almost default settings and it looked amazing. Blacks were great and no light bleed! Side angles show some light leakage like all Lcds but it is uniform! No flashlight effect! Love it!

It's whatever works for you, i have been using warm 2 with clear white on low, this keeps skin tones natural and adds a slightly blue tint to whites, so while this isn't technically accurate it makes whites more visually apealling.

The thing is the sun gives off a warm light, so if you look out side there is a warm hue to things. But on tv's people prefer brighter and cooler blue tinted whites.

As i say if it looks good to you and you are happy then that is all that matters.

Aaron
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post #1348 of 1919
1/16/13 at 10:04am
When I first bought my 850 I was sold on Neutral setting as well but after nearly returning this set because I could not get a consistent picture on all my Cable Channels, I finally tried this calibration setting with Cinema and Warm2. It really is truly amazing how wonderful the picture is and how consistent the colors are from channel to channel . I never thought I would like Warm2 and Cinema setting but it literally saved my set from a return. Everything worked out well and I didn't have to pay 250.00 for a professional calibration!
Edited by STEVE MORRILL - 1/16/13 at 10:15am
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post #1349 of 1919
1/16/13 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

Has anyone looked at a 1x1 pixel black/white checkerboard pattern on their HX850? My 46HX850 is interesting to say the least. For example, in the Cinema modes, it has a pronounced green tint that varies with color temperature, which I sort of expected, but there are three purplish half-circles spaced equally along the bottom edge, which simply aren't present in the pattern. You should be able to see them in the picture below. This is with all settings off, or for ones that can't be turned off like "Color", they're at their default values. Given that everything else looks normal aside from the green push, I figure this pattern is a pathological case for the image processing the TV does, but I see the same thing even in Game mode, where the processing is minimal, so I guess it could be some weirdness with the panel. I'm getting the pattern from AVS709HD, and I've verified it in XBMC and also with my standalone Bluray player. I've also created the pattern in a paint program and verified it when viewing the static image full-screen. My PC is connected directly to the TV with HDMI, while the BD player goes through my Pioneer AVR. The TV is set to full pixel, of course, and it's displaying the full 1920x1080 images with no scaling. I do not observe this on my NEC 20WMGX2 monitor connected to the same PC. I do not observe this on my 46EX500, which uses CCFL backlighting, with the AVS709HD "Misc Patterns\D - Resolution\1-Checkerboard Pattern.mp4" on a USB thumb drive plugged into a WDTV Live as the source. I do not observe any anomaly with a true 50% solid gray pattern or any other color pattern.

While I don't see this in normal content, or even other test screens, it's nonetheless disconcerting. I've never see anything like it. It makes me think, "I'm glad I'm not running my old Atari 520ST with its simulated gray monochrome desktop, or the original Mac, which I think used the same kind of pattern." And of course there's the worry that it will show up in real content, even though real content has looked great, and other resolution patterns have looked normal. Any ideas? What do you see on your set? (To be clear, the photograph below is not the checkerboard pattern; it is a photo of my TV screen.)

I have the same thing on my set. I have three purple blobs on along the bottom edge of my display. I notice while watching Prometheus last night that I had vertical banding. You can actually see in columns that go from light to dark about every 4-6 inches. When the camera is panning you can see the areas shift within the scene and go from dark black to cloudy gray and back in between columns of banding. I used the purity software on the WOW disc to look after I noticed.
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post #1350 of 1919
1/16/13 at 10:32am
Anybody here selling or returning their HX850 for the W900a?
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