Official Sony HX850 Owner's Thread (46HX850, 55HX850) - Page 58

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

I just started up some 3D content for the first time on the HX850, using the Playstation 3D glasses, and noticed some crosstalk here and there. Is that par for the course with this TV or is there some settings or other glasses that can minimize it further?

Edit: I did a little searching and someone suggested lowering the depth setting. I'll search for that option later today - I didn't see it when I was adjusting the picture originally - after the glasses charge.

I'm certainly not going to return the TV just because of some crosstalk, though. Everything I've read said the Sony is the best 2D, motion and backlight performer for LED HDTVs in that price range, and it certainly looks it. Still, I hope I can reduce the crosstalk effect a bit.

Edit 2: Adjusting the 3D distance on my Pansonic BDT220 player helped reduce the crosstalk. Yay! It seems to depend on the scene, though.

Originally Posted by fegam2 

Here are some settings for 3d viewing http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-kdl-55hx850-3d-lcd-hdtv-settings

Originally Posted by Guibs 

Anyone using the Playstation 3 3D glasses with the HX850? They are selling for 20$. 3D isn't really something I'm that interested but at 20$, they are very affordable. From what I can read, it seems the 3D is good with the glasses, wondering if any of you had some on hand experience with the HX850.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Those are the glasses I picked up for use with my HX850. They're a little uncomfortable, but I use prescription glasses. The other person who watched a 3D movie with me doesn't wear prescription glasses and didn't have that problem. They worked well enough, but as I wrote above I did see a bit of crosstalk in Tangled and when I demoed Prometheus. The settings I've tried so far haven't eliminated that artifact.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Must be something wrong with your set. Yes, it is normal to see some crosstalk, but both Prometheus and Tangled have absolutely ZERO crosstalk. Two of the most flawless 3D presentations available. I have an HX950 but I can't imagine the 3D being any different. I own over 75 3D blus and can tell you which ones to expect to see some crosstalk, but Prometheus and Tangled have zero if your display is working correctly.

Also, the PS3 are the best to use when wearing over prescription glasses since they are bigger and the top of the glasses are cradled over your regular and not rubbing up against like the others.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Agh, I hope not. I don't want to have to head back to the store with this. It was the only one they had left, too.

Is there anything else I can try to reduce crosstalk? Could it be the player I used (Panasonic BDT220) or some strange setting? Since I don't have a 3D receiver, I have the devices playing the 3D contact connected directly to the TV with an HDMI cable for video, with an optical cable running from the devices to the receiver for audio.

The crosstalk I was seeing depended on how far the object was and what depth setting I had the player set to. In an early scene in Prometheus, David is in the cockpit opening the blast doors, and you see a moon in the distance. That had a lot of crosstalk until I set the depth to around +2. That had the negative effect of making close objects have more crosstalk, however.

I also just tried Skyrim in Nvidia 3DTV Play. I could spot a lot of crosstalk there, too.

Originally Posted by JewDaddy 

What brightness setting do you have your 3D glasses on? I've noticed the brighter the glasses, the more crosstalk I see. Also, I would leave the depth settings alone as it will only cause problems. What may look good for one scene, will look terrible for another and I also find it to actually blur certain parts of the picture and you lose some detail.

As far as games are concerned, I wouldn't even mess with it. Way too much crosstalk no matter what you do. I've been through so many different tv's these past couple years, I've lost count. If you want the best 3D experience, either go with an LG Passive set or the Samsung 8000 series LEDS. The only problem with that, the 2D picture quality won't be as good as the Sony. This is coming from someone who has owned them all and finally settled on the Sony for now. I feel that it gives an amazing 2D picture with the right settings and a 3D experience good enough to satisfy my needs. Let me know if you have any questions.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Agh, I hope not. I don't want to have to head back to the store with this. It was the only one they had left, too.

Is there anything else I can try to reduce crosstalk? Could it be the player I used (Panasonic BDT220) or some strange setting? Since I don't have a 3D receiver, I have the devices playing the 3D contact connected directly to the TV with an HDMI cable for video, with an optical cable running from the devices to the receiver for audio.

The crosstalk I was seeing depended on how far the object was and what depth setting I had the player set to. In an early scene in Prometheus, David is in the cockpit opening the blast doors, and you see a moon in the distance. That had a lot of crosstalk until I set the depth to around +2. That had the negative effect of making close objects have more crosstalk, however.

I also just tried Skyrim in Nvidia 3DTV Play. I could spot a lot of crosstalk there, too.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Converting something like Skyrim to 3D will produce crosstalk so that is normal. What had me puzzled is the crosstalk in Prometheus you mention. Have you tried another pair of the PS3 glasses in case yours are defective? Are they fully charged? You shouldn't need to make any adjustments to the 3D settings. As you discovered, that can makes things even more screwy.

Again, I have the 950... but I can't imagine 3D being different between the two crosstalk wise. What other 3D movies do you have to test? I'll be able to point out specific scenes that should or shouldn't have crosstalk with the 2012 Sony tvs.

Originally Posted by JewDaddy 

I also have Prometheus on 3-D Blu-ray. I'll test it with my 55HX850 and see if I can find any crosstalk.

I thought the 950 had better processing power than the 850. Maybe I'm wrong about that but I figured the 950 would have slightly better 3-D.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

I'm curious about JewDaddy's results, too, especially in that same Prometheus scene. I also tried a different player and the other pair of PS3 3D glasses I had, but the results were the same. Perhaps the HX850 just has some crosstalk to deal with. I went back and re-read reviews of the TV and they all mentioned crosstalk. At the time I just thought it was the pair of glasses they used (the official 250 or Titanium sets), since none of them were using the PS3 3D glasses which were said to reduce crosstalk and tilt/color issues due to a polarizing filter the others lacked.

That visual artifact is never enough to ruin the movie, but I'm the kind of person that looks for and spots errors. And as much as I want a perfect 3D presentation, it doesn't sound like that quite exists yet? My other choice was the ES7100+ line of Samsung TVs. According to you, cmay, they have their own distracting 3D issues.

2D is still where most of my time is going to be spent, and damn does the HX850 have a good image. I've been hooking my computer up to it for PC gaming, too. It makes those games come to life in ways my monitor could never do. I especially like Motionflow enabled when playing PC games. So smooth!

Originally Posted by kohorta 

Need advice i have still 29 inch panasonic crt.
This weekend ill go to buy new tv. My choices:

1. 46hx850 for 2061 $ with glasses and 22bond bluray movies
2. 46hx929 for 1718 $ with glasses
3. 46hx820 for 1374 $ with glasses
4. 55hx750 for 1718 $ without glasses

929 is my first choice so far but didnt see it in action, saw only 850 and 750 and i like it 850 a lot.

Think ill go wrong anyway


Love 3d and ps3 gaming and movies and sports thats my favorite tv needs.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

You honestly can't go wrong with either the 750, 850 or 929. 929 if you want the best image. 750 if you want the most real estate. 850 if you love Bond . The PS3 glasses work really well if not the best and are only $20, so don't worry about glasses being included or not. Most likely, you will need to get polarizing filters (free from Sony) for the 250 or 750 glasses for optimal 3D anyways.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

I'm going to wait to read JewDaddy's results, but I just found an earlier post in the thread by apocReg who described a lot of crosstalk, as well, and linked to a crosstalk image test. His HX850 performed poor in it in the same way as mine did. Unfortunately, he was advised to return it. That doesn't make me feel better, especially because if I do that, there are no HX850's left. I picked up the last one!

http://3dvision-blog.com/4056-stereo-3d-display-crosstalk-test-photos-with-some-results/

I tried the black test, and the picture bleeds through it fairly strong.

But again, perhaps that's just par for the course with the HX850. My decision may rest in your hands, JD!

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

How important is 3D for you? The 850 is a really great set and perhaps best implemented edge-lit on the market non including 2013 models. If you watch alot of 3D, then just knowing it has more crosstalk than most 850s should have may get to you.... but if you only occasionally watch 3D, it may not be an issue as the 2D image really is stellar for an edge lit model.

Originally Posted by ibissa 

Not sure if this is the right forum to post it or if I should post it in the S590 one, but when I play a BD on my S590 BD player to my Sony HX850 tv, the picture and sound are unbelievably fantastic. But when I play a regular HD dvd, the picture is not as clear as a BD and a little grainy. Anyone know why that might be? Is there an HX850 control that will give a better picture? Now, when i played the same DVD on my old dvd player to my old Sony HD tv, the picture was great. Any thoughts?

thanks!

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Any DVD on a 1080p TV will look bad. Only suggestion if you have a ton of DVDs is to look into an Oppo 103. It is perhaps the best player at upscaling DVDs while eliminating digital noise. But in the end, the old adage "crap in - crap out" applies as standard DVD resolution is exposed with today's TVs.

Originally Posted by JewDaddy 

What brightness setting do you have your 3D glasses on? I've noticed the brighter the glasses, the more crosstalk I see. Also, I would leave the depth settings alone as it will only cause problems. What may look good for one scene, will look terrible for another and I also find it to actually blur certain parts of the picture and you lose some detail.

As far as games are concerned, I wouldn't even mess with it. Way too much crosstalk no matter what you do. I've been through so many different tv's these past couple years, I've lost count. If you want the best 3D experience, either go with an LG Passive set or the Samsung 8000 series LEDS. The only problem with that, the 2D picture quality won't be as good as the Sony. This is coming from someone who has owned them all and finally settled on the Sony for now. I feel that it gives an amazing 2D picture with the right settings and a 3D experience good enough to satisfy my needs. Let me know if you have any questions.