Official Sony HX850 Owner's Thread (46HX850, 55HX850) - Page 59

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Agh, I hope not. I don't want to have to head back to the store with this. It was the only one they had left, too.

Is there anything else I can try to reduce crosstalk? Could it be the player I used (Panasonic BDT220) or some strange setting? Since I don't have a 3D receiver, I have the devices playing the 3D contact connected directly to the TV with an HDMI cable for video, with an optical cable running from the devices to the receiver for audio.

The crosstalk I was seeing depended on how far the object was and what depth setting I had the player set to. In an early scene in Prometheus, David is in the cockpit opening the blast doors, and you see a moon in the distance. That had a lot of crosstalk until I set the depth to around +2. That had the negative effect of making close objects have more crosstalk, however.

I also just tried Skyrim in Nvidia 3DTV Play. I could spot a lot of crosstalk there, too.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Thanks, I'll give those a try for the next movie I watch! I was using the Cinema preset and didn't touch any other settings. I changed the depth setting on my player, and that helped some, but there was still a lot of crosstalk elsewhere depending on the camera focus. That disappointed me a bit, and while part of me is considering other TVs for 3D (because the effect was really fun in the first movie I watched, Tangled), I also realize I'm not going to be spending the majority of my time watching 3D.

The other two movies I bought for 3D were Prometheus and Hugo. I think I'll watch Prometheus next. I hear its 3D effects are also great.

Edit: Where's the 3D Adjustment setting on the TV itself ? I looked but couldn't find it. Or are those listed 3D settings on the page just general player settings?

And how do the PlayStation 3 3D glasses compare to their regular and Titanium 3D glasses?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Went back and looked at the scene you reference in Prometheus. If the only crosstalk you notice is on something that far in the background, then you have nothing to worry about. I don't even consider that crosstalk per say since that moon will ghost on every active set up to a degree due to the extreme negative parallax of a single item in the shot. Now if you said there was crosstalk on the border all around the blast doors or crosstalk on David himself either before of after the moon shot, then you would have an issue. Even on my 950, I could see a faint ghosting of the moon. Nothing noticeable or distracting, but if I pause it I can see minimal crosstalk on the moon also.

Both negative and positive parallax (extreme foreground - pop out) will often display crosstalk to some degree depending on the tv and glasses. What is not normal is crosstalk or ghosting on people, objects and backgrounds that are not parallax shots. That is when crosstalk would be distracting and a sign something is not right with your 3D set up.

Hope this helps and puts your mind at ease.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Aguy1.... Forgot to mention.... Hugo will display more crosstalk than your average movie. It is considered a benchmark/torture test for testing 3D. The HX850 will most likely not handle this movie that well as most active 3D tvs fail this test.

Originally Posted by PickleJuice 

Hi folks,

Regarding the auto scene select feature, this would automatically switch the HX850 to game mode when starting to play a game on my PS3. Now that I have the PS3 running through an A/V receiver (Pioneer SC-61) this feature no longer works. Is there any setting or anything I can do to fix this or do I have to change this manually for now on?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

It does, thanks. Do you have any other examples of where I shouldn't be seeing any ghosting? I'd love to test that. It does seem like I see faint ghosts on more distant foreground objects, though. That's apparently normal?

I'm sorry for flooding the thread with my 3D questions. I've never actually seen 3D before, so I didn't quite know what to expect (and still don't to a degree). This television with Tangled and Prometheus has been my first experience with the technology and the effect. At least I didn't get eye strain and headaches.
I put that in for about five minutes. I saw a little bit on occasion, but the introduction was actually quite smooth and crosstalk free. I suppose it will get worse, though, huh?

Originally Posted by Browninggold 

There should be a setting in your pioneer. Check HDMI Control function setting Standby source, control etc...check your source select settings also input assign. I have a Denon so don't know for sure of exact settings of Pioneer. Just giving suggestions

Originally Posted by PickleJuice 

So when I have the tv set to "auto except cinema for 24hz signal" ( <--something like that), this still works and switches to cinema mode whenever I start a bluray on the PS3 and back to auto/general when I switch back to my cable box. However if I start a game, it doesn't switch to game mode anymore like it did before having the AV receiver in the middle.

Any ideas?

Originally Posted by aztony 

I'm having an issue with my 55HX850. When I try to use the internet apps: Crackle, YouTube, Pandora, etc... it says "acquiring internet content" goes through the process then says "configuration failed". I checked my network setup and all says OK. This started last week. Not sure if it was after the TV updated or not, as I have it set to automatic update. The widgets work, SEN works, and the internet browser works.

Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr 

Hm, this never worked for me. I'm using the audio return function on the sony, when playing Far Cry 3 via the xbox 360 it was in Standard mode. So I just gave up on it and manually change scene. Luckily I have the remote from my HX820 so have the scene button?

Originally Posted by Browninggold 

Only Thing I can add is check in the Pioneer in the source select settings for your PS3 and check to make sure it's on the right input. Maybe ask in the Pioneer thread. Input assign..it's a setting in your Pioneer somewhere finding it is a problem. I went through that a couple of weeks ago with my Denon A100. Streaming Netflix through the Sony 950 I wasn't getting sound through my HT speakers just TV speakers. Took me a whole day to figure it out. I forget what it was now in my A100.. I'm getting old maybe a HDMI control function..

Originally Posted by PickleJuice 

Do you have your scene setting set to Auto? It's a really convenient feature that I really miss especially now that I have to change so many things before I can enjoy playing call of duty.

Currently I change the receiver input, then change the mcacc setting for game mode, and then change the scene setting. And of course I change this all back right after I'm done playing. If I don't find a solution then I think I'll have to get a smart remote control.

thanks.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Does anyone know if the official Sony TV glasses include the polarized filter now or do you still have to order it separately? I'm considering trying their BR250 glasses because the Playstation 3 3D ones are rather uncomfortable to me. I've read the 250's fit better over glasses.

Edit: Apparently Sony does not include the filters. Well what in the heck?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Both negative and positive parallax (extreme foreground - pop out) will often display crosstalk to some degree depending on the tv and glasses. What is not normal is crosstalk or ghosting on people, objects and backgrounds that are not parallax shots. That is when crosstalk would be distracting and a sign something is not right with your 3D set up.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Just an update, I finally finished watching Hugo in 3D. By the end of the film, I almost decided I didn't want to watch any 3D movies on the HX850 again. I could spot ghosting on people, objects and backgrounds in nearly every scene, regardless of their position to the camera. The ghost images were occasionally pretty far from their sources, too. And during one scene near the end of the film, where an image of the moon was coming closer to the camera, the moon almost split into three separate objects. My eyes nearly exploded from pain.

I think I may call the service center and see if something is wrong with it, though crosstalk may be a harder issue to sell to them. Sorry again for flooding the thread with my 3D woes. I'm just trying to figure out what to do.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Based off of what you are describing, it does sound like something is wrong with the 3D processing as you certainly should not be experiencing the amount of crosstalk you describe.

Another test is Monsters Inc. This movie is essentially crosstalk free. If you see excessive crosstalk on this one, then something is definitely wrong as I just watched this the other day and can confirm that it had very little if any on the hx950.

Did you transport the tv yourself of have it delivered? Did the tv get layed flat at any point during transport?

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

We did transport it ourselves. It was a two hour drive and it was laid flat (the way the store people put it in, anyway). You think that could have done something? Because nothing else seems wrong with the television.

Here are few other Hugo examples: In nearly every scene with the automaton, where there camera was focused directly on it with it in the center, there was heavy ghosting all around it. When Hugo was being chased up the clock tower and the camera was pointed directly upward, the vertical beams were had ghosts quite far from their source. The gargoyles outside George's house had a lot. When Hugo and the girl were first in the library, her face and hat had a great deal, too.

Those are just the ones that stuck out in my mind. I could see faint ghosting around a lot of objects and people, though, throughout the movie and the other two I own, as well. It's not always strong, of course but I can spot it often. But again, maybe this is just par for the course for this television and 3D sets in general and I'm just being a big baby. I have no idea!

Originally Posted by mr_marts 

I have never been a fan to 3D and have only one 3d movie (brave) in my collection of about 80 blu ray movies. But seeing I bought another sony hx850 and a pioneer 3D blu ray player for my room, i would not mind giving it a whirl, so for the experts out there what 3D movies work best on active glasses and what movies are so bad that you cannot watch to the end.

Originally Posted by AGuy01 

Is that something that can be easily fixed, cmay? I did get roped into a service plan, so they could possibly send someone out here to look at it (though crosstalk may be a harder sell to them). Or will I have better luck just exchanging the set?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Depends on a few factors....

How important ultimately is 3D for you especially if everything else is perfect meaning no dead pixels, no excessive flashlighting or edge bleed.

Is there another HX850 available? Most have been sent back to Sony.

Are you willing to risk getting one with dead pixels, flashlighting and it edge bleed?

You are right about whether a technician would know what is considered normal or excessive crosstalk on a particular model unless he has worked on a number of them and has a point of reference. You could always try calling Sony and asking if they will send a tech out to look at it.

But again, I have the HX950 so iit could just be different, but at the same time I have not seen many people describe what you are describing without having a faulty 3D processor or whatever the tv uses to produce the left and right images.

Originally Posted by Cibo 

Quick question --- I have the 55" HX850. Recently, 3D viewing has produced significantly more crosstalk/ghosting. It is especially bad on the top menu of the Wreck-It Ralph 3D blu-ray. It almost seems like that the firmware up-grade may be a culprit. I have new PS3 glasses, and compared them to the BR-250's and the crosstalk/ghosting is the same.

Has anybody had any similar type issues?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Jacquelyn Cain 

We have a 46hx850 and want to get a sound bar, what should I get?