Official Sony HX850 Owner's Thread (46HX850, 55HX850) - Page 9

Personally i would have everything in advanced options off, bar LED Dynamic Control which should be on standard. Adv Contrast enhancer actually raises black levels.

All noise reduction off as they soften the picture, yes they can remove noise on low quality sources but they also remove high frequency noise that is meant to be there in films and various broadcasts so i would advise it being off.

Also Warm 2 is more accurate than Neutral although not perfect. Someone once said to me that the sun puts a yellow hue to clouds and the world outside, not sure how true this is but it makes sense. Neutral is just to blue for me. Heck even Warm 2 has a slight blue tint, Sony have done this as we notice less colour errors with an overly blue image compared to a red tinted image.

Aaron

ps brightness of 30 will crush shadow detail, on my set with backlight 3 49 is spot on, even at 45 it is crushing detail noticeably, so 30 is just to low.

At the end of the day it is all personal preference, i prefer a more accurate image, not over saturated or blue tinted.

That's what I was afraid of. Thanks for the info.

Thank for the reply. Everything is off except led dynamic control and motionflow and both are in standard. Should i switch on advance contrast enhancer? According to my thx disc brightness shouldnt be more than 25. Scene is in cinema and mode in cinema 1. is thx optimizer reliable?

No worries,

Adv contrast enhancer makes blacks lighter ie worse, so should be left off.

As for brightness, using the spears an munsil benchmark blu ray, 49 for brightness is spot on, on my set.

My only thoughts are that Sony use different parameters/numbers for the US model to the Europe model. Would hate to give you false advice if that is the case.

My advice still stands with regards everything in advanced options off bar LED Dynamic Control Standard. I would personally have Motion Flow on Clear as it adds backlight scanning and no soap opera affect, Standard and Smooth do very little to help with motion blur and add spades of soap opera affect, again its all personal, but i don't like the soap opera affect.

Aaron

Hey Bear, which Cinema did you set up like that? 1 or 2? I wanna try it, but it looks like it would be best for 1080p Bluray movies, which I do not have

I played a lot of Skyrim over the past few days and am very happy with Motionflow Clear, Backlight max, Dynamic LED low. Or Motionflow standard, Backlight 5, Dynamic LED low. The flashlights are just barely visible, but a good trade-off for a much brighter picture. Dynamic LED Standard looks like you are watching thru sunglasses (or the 3D glasses ) in bright scenes sometimes. I think the effect is a little too strong for my taste. But Standard totally elimnates clouding, even on Backlight MAX. You can see a little bloom sometimes though, during white movie credits or titles on a black screen. I imagine the HX929 is better in the Dynamic LED department.

Akshay, the default brightness and color of 50 is spot on for both Full RGB and YCC709 content. I have calibrated it using several Xbox 360 games as well as a nifty app called TV Calibration. That is why I use 100/50/50. Most games that have the "Barely Visible" slider test are spot on by default, only allowing maybe a +or- 1or2 variable to be adjusted to taste. 30 is probably way too low.

Hi Kevin,

I have my setup like this.

For tv

Day -

Scene: Cinema
Picture Cinema 2
Backlight: 8
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Color: 49
Hue: 0
Color temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness 50
Noise reduction :Off
Dot noise reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth gradation: Low
Motionflow: Clear
Film mode : Auto 1
Black corrector : Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: Default
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off
R Gain: -2
G Gain: 0
B Gain: -8
R Bias: 0
G Bias: 0
B Bias: 0
Eco: Off

Night -

Scene: Cinema
Picture Cinema 1
Backlight:3
Contrast: 89
Brightness: 49
Color: 49
Hue: 0
Color temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness 50
Noise reduction :Off
Dot noise reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth gradation: Low
Motionflow: Clear
Film mode : Auto 1
Black corrector : Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: Default
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off
R Gain: -2
G Gain: 0
B Gain: -8
R Bias: 0
G Bias: 0
B Bias: 0
Eco: Off

All i do for my blu ray is turn sharpness down to 20 as this adds no edge enhancement or softening of the picture as reported by several calibrators/ reviewers. Also motion flow off as all the settings add soap opera effect to films.

In the Uk Film mode on auto 1 adds cadence detection for PAL 2:2 and NTSC 2:3.

Quote from review on Avforums, by calibrator and reviewer Mark.

Its a personal thing settings, i don't like a dark image, but i don't like it burning a hole in my eyes either.

Mark said a backlight of 3 gave a light output of 35fl, which is what you aim for, for a dim environment.

Aaron

Worth noting that the xbox is a mess with regards gamma. I am having issues with a lot of videos apps as the gamma is to high for the Xbox which cause the picture to appear washed out. Blacks are grey on a few video apps. Netflix released an update to fix this for their app, but the provider i am with Lovefilm (Uk based film streaming service) haven't as of yet.

Hi if these advance settings make the picture quality worse then why do all the companies include them? Motionflow clear dims the screen little bit which i dont like and i like motionflow standard as it doesnt add too much soap opera effect. Should i buy DIGITAL VIDEO ESSENTIALS:HD BASICS?

Thank you for the advise. But according to the thx optimzer software brightness 50 is way too much. I will check gain.

Manufacturers include these features because they make great marketing buzzwords and help make the picture look good on the floor of a showroom. Don't expect them to make the picture more accurate.

Exactly as Doctor M says.

With regards calibration, this is what i have and it is rated very highly.

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-High-Definition-Benchmark-Blu-ray-Edition/dp/B001UM29OC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341578002&sr=8-1&keywords=spears+and+munsil

What about this? it is very highly rated by cnet.

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-Essentials-Basics-Blu-ray/dp/B000V6LST0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=6M3QWZWVWSV9&coliid=IP1AGBJRMDPW6

My new picture setting:-

Scene CINEMA 1
Backlight 3
Picture 95
Brightness 25
Color 50
Hue O
ColorTemp WARM2
Sharpness 50
Noise Red OFF
MPEG Noise OFF
Dot Noise OFF
Reality Crea OFF
Video Area OFF
Resolution OFF
Noise Filt OFF
Smooth Grad OFF
Motionflow STD.
Cinema Mode AUTO 1
Black Corrector OFF
Adv. Contrast OFF
Gamma DEFAULT
LED Dynamic STANDARD
Auto Light Limiter OFF
Clear White OFF
Live Color OFF
White Balance R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: 0
B GAIN: 0
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0
Detail Enhancer OFF
Egde Enhancer OFF
Skin Naturalizer OFF
I/P Conversion QUALITY

Eco OFF

Wide Mode FULL
Auto Wide OFF
4:3 Default OFF
Auto Display Area OFF
Display Area FULL PIXEL
Screen Position N/A
Vertical Size N/A

sounds fine?

I found these reviews of calibration products:
http://home-theater-calibration-review.toptenreviews.com/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20060847-1/reviewed-blu-ray-setup-discs-for-your-hdtv/?tag=mncol;txt

On a side note, my 55HX850 is being delivered today. I'll be using an old AVIA II Home Theater Disc for now and some of your suggestions. Wish me luck on getting a set with no problems.
Edited by aztony - 7/6/12 at 1:06pm

Sorry not sure about that, i just know that calibrators rate spears and munsil very highly, it explains things and gives you a good understanding, you can go in depth or as basic as you feel comfortable with.

I honestly think something must be wrong here, 25 for brightness is just to low, unless the device you are testing on has the gamma to high ie washing out the picture, there is no need for that low a brightness setting.

If you rate cnet (i am not 100% convinced by the things i have read about them) here are there settings for the 55HX850

I compared HaRd2BeAr's settings against CNET's. I like cnet's settings better. The picture seems sharper and clearer IMO. HaRd2BeAr's was just too blah for me.

I do have a question. I see people say they chose Cinema 2 for picture setting but I don't seem to find it in the options menu. Where is this? All the choices I have is standard, vivid, and custom.

Hi go to system settings - scene - cinema.

I will buy one of the calibration disc. I dont take reviews from any site very seriously.

Horses for courses.

They aren't technically my settings, they are the settings i use. They are from Avfourms, by a calibrator.

What can anyone tell me about the speaker stand for the HX850? Right now I've got Logitech Z4 speakers plugged into the headphone jack, but would prefer a cleaner solution but don't want to sacrifice bass. Space is at a premium for me so i can't go all out on a sound system.

Bear, I know what you mean about the screwed up black levels on Xbox video, but they fixed that in an update. HBOGO Game of Thrones looks like freakin Blu Ray now. As you can see, nearly all "pro" calibrators suggest settings very similar to the default 90/50/50, so the TV is handling most signals nearly perfectly out of the box. I disagree about Auto 1 however. I am in the USA, so maybe thats the difference? I don't know what the PAL/NTSC cadence stuff is. I just know when I turn on Auto 1, it's puke time.

Maybe they fixed it in the USA, in the Uk it is still broken, i guarantee you, blacks on several apps are grey, some have had updates by the service provider, Netflix was not so long ago fixed, but Lovefilm, VEVO are very much broken. Well technically it's not them at fault.

Not sure about Auto 1, could be as you said that it works differently in the USA, it works fine for me and i am sensitive to the soap opera affect that motion flow smooth and standard brings.

Monday morning i am getting my set swapped out. Hope to get a better one.

Thanks to everyone who are sharing their own settings. My question to everyone is if they use their settings for all types of programming? I watch a lot of sports and I am trying to tinker with it to get the best picture possible.

hello everybody ... what is your settings for gaming? i play on PS3. @bitterkevin iam a hardcore gamer like u what are your settings.

thanks

I use one setting for all type of programming. I am loving the tv. Its awesome.

My Sony Bravia HX850

Generally yes. Both my cable box and Xbox output YCC709 so I use the same settings for both. If you like sports, I would suggest the Scene: Sports setting, or my settings which use Motionflow Clear.


Aglot, check out my previous posted settings for using Scene: General: Standard with Motionflow & Xreality, or try using Scene: Game: Original which has all bells and whistles turned off for the most lag-free experience, with 100/50/50 (picture/brightness/color) and Neutral color temp as my preference. This works well for YCC709 or Full RGB, but I have noticed that YCC709 seems to look better on this TV.

I will post my setups again just for convenience:

--Picture Adjustments menu--
Scene: General
Setting Memory: Input
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: MAX- ADJUST BACKLIGHT TO TASTE, I HAVE IT HIGH BECAUSE CLEAR DIMS THE PICTURE AND MY TV IS BACKLIT
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Auto
Reality Creation: Auto
Video Area Detection: Auto
Resolution: 50 [Greyed out]
Noise Filtering: Min [Greyed out]
Smooth Gradation: Low
Motionflow: Clear
CineMotion: Off
--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
LED Dynamic Control: Low
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [grayed out]
--White Balance sub-menu--
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: [grayed out]
Vertical Size: 0 [grayed out]
--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto] SET THIS TO FULL/EXPANDED IF YOU USE RGB FULL OUTPUT- AUTO DETECT DOES NOT WORK WELL
--Home Menu>Settings>Preferences--
--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off

MY OTHER SETUP (MOTIONFLOW STANDARD INSTEAD OF CLEAR, MUCH BRIGHTER)
--Picture Adjustments menu--
Setting Memory: Input
Scene: General
Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 5- AGAIN ADJUST BACKLIGHT TO TASTE, BUT DYNAMIC LED STANDARD DIMS THE PICTURE A BIT
Picture: 100
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Auto
Reality Creation: Auto
Video Area Detection: Auto
Resolution: 50 [Greyed out]
Noise Filtering: Min [Greyed out]
Smooth Gradation: Low
Motionflow: Standard
CineMotion: Off
--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [grayed out]
--White Balance sub-menu--
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: [grayed out]
Vertical Size: 0 [grayed out]
--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto] AGAIN SET TO FULL IF YOU USE RGB FULL
--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off

AND FINALLY FOR GAMING WITH ALL POST PROCESSING OFF (I ACTUALLY PREFER MY FIRST SETUP WITH XREALITY & MOTIONFLOW CLEAR)
--Picture Adjustments menu--
Setting Memory: Input
Scene: Game
Picture Mode: Original
Backlight: 5
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off [Greyed out]
Reality Creation: Off [Greyed out]
Video Area Detection: Off [Greyed out]
Resolution: 10 [Greyed out]
Noise Filtering: Min [Greyed out]
Smooth Gradation: Off [Greyed out]
Motionflow: Off [Greyed out]
CineMotion: Off [oddly, NOT Greyed out]
--Advanced Settings menu--
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
LED Dynamic Control: Low
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [grayed out]
--White Balance sub-menu--
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: [grayed out]
Vertical Size: 0 [grayed out]
--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto]
--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off

Oh and this is my setup. Just swap the SXRD for the HX850 :P

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=47482351747&l=7721124b26


Edited by bitterkevin - 7/8/12 at 6:38pm