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post #391 of 2218
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Originally Posted by stuckinSoregon View Post

Really want to get the hx850 over the panasonic plasma vt50....
The one thing holding me back is the stand...Have people who bought
the sony gotten used to the stand...I dont plan on mounting my next tv
so the stand plays a minor role in what I get.....
Also wondering if I should get the alternative low profile stand...
Do notice it causes the tv to tilt back a little...Has anyone purchased
this??...Does it effect the picture at all??
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=SUB553S

I use the stand that came with the TV and find it a very stable and nice looking stand. I suggest you give it a try first to see if you like it, you could always purchase the other stand later.
post #392 of 2218
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Originally Posted by aztony View Post

I use the stand that came with the TV and find it a very stable and nice looking stand. I suggest you give it a try first to see if you like it, you could always purchase the other stand later.

Thanks for the reply!! Seems this thread has slowed down considerably.....
The plasma threads and the lg led threads are all very active....

I'm very torn on what I will get...Really like the brightness of LED but I really like the picture accuacy of Plasma...
I think this is the only LED i'd consider buying...

After looking closer at the CNET review I dont think the stand is as horrible as I thought...
post #393 of 2218
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Sounds like over scan, go into the display settings and turn it off for pc/mac use. wink.gif

I have looked everywhere and found it.
In main menu, settings, display and sound. Auto Display Area. I turned it off!
WORKED. WOOHOOO THANK YOU!
post #394 of 2218
I am considering the Sony HX 850 or a Samsung 6500 LCD, Is the extra 700 dollars in cost justified for the Sony?smile.gif
post #395 of 2218
Definitely. I have Sony 950 929 (family room) and got another 850 (game room) and very happy with it. My brother has the Samsung (believe the 8000 model - top of the line) and he doesn't like it, especially when he comes to my house.
Edited by cuibap - 8/26/12 at 6:27am
post #396 of 2218
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Originally Posted by Kobrinl View Post

I am considering the Sony HX 850 or a Samsung 6500 LCD, Is the extra 700 dollars in cost justified for the Sony?smile.gif

Probably can't go wrong with HX850. My brother-in-law has the Samsung ES8000 and he doesn't dig the flashlighting on it. PQ will also be better on the HX850 than the ES8000.
post #397 of 2218
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Originally Posted by cuibap View Post

Definitely. I have Sony 950 (family room) and got another 850 (game room) and very happy with it. My brother has the Samsung (believe the 8000 model - top of the line) and he doesn't like it, especially when he comes to my house.

sony 950 huh?
post #398 of 2218
Anyone know what the PKG1.321AAA firmware update changed?
post #399 of 2218
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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

sony 950 huh?

I know, right? Does he work for Sony?
post #400 of 2218
wow read this guys posts from earlier in this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1407673/official-sony-hx850-owners-thread-46hx850-55hx850/210#post_22178242

and the 950 he's referring to is the 929.
Edited by MaXPL - 8/20/12 at 11:59am
post #401 of 2218
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Originally Posted by tilhasbb View Post

I have looked everywhere and found it.
In main menu, settings, display and sound. Auto Display Area. I turned it off!
WORKED. WOOHOOO THANK YOU!

Sorry i couldn't remember where it was in the menu and my set is boxed up to go back.

Glad it helped. smile.gif

Aaron
post #402 of 2218
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Sorry i couldn't remember where it was in the menu and my set is boxed up to go back.
Glad it helped. smile.gif
Aaron

Giving up on the Sony or just swapping for a new one?
post #403 of 2218
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Giving up on the Sony or just swapping for a new one?

Hi Doctor M.

Giving up i am sad to say.

Great tv overall, but in the Uk, it seems a good set is hard to come by.

The first had clouding and pretty bad banding, the second was better on both fronts apart from one patch of clouding bottom left that never went.

Also found the haloing a little hard to deal with, especially as i like my horror films.

Going to sit out the tv game for a while and have a re-think, so back to my trusty 32inch ccfl lit Samsung that has no banding or clouding.

Cheers,

Aaron
post #404 of 2218
Just purchased a new 55" HX850 3 days ago & as beautiful as it is I can't see to get past what I would describe as a grainy appearance anytime the camera seems pan either quickly or slowly. I've played around with most all of the settings in hopes it might clear it up but with no luck. It's visible via the cable box, ps3 & apple tv. I recently had a Samsung UN55ES7500 which didn't exhibit this at all however it was plagued with stuck pixels & major light bleed. Luckily this Sony is great in those areas. I know that no tv is 100% perfect but I'm wondering if there is a problem with the processor or if there is a simple fix. After scouring the message boards I'm wondering if this isn't what everyone refers to as DSE (dirty screen effect). Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
post #405 of 2218
Hi Tlbeedy and welcome to the forum.

What scene/picture mode are you using? My first guess would be some processing is going on ie edge enhancement or reality creation adding noise/grain.

It could be dse but my set had this and i wouldn't have described it in the same way tbh.

Aaron
post #406 of 2218
Thank you HaRd2BeAr for the quick reply,
I've got it set on General scene / Standard picture mode. Edge enhancement Off / Detail Enhancer Off / Cinemotion Off / Motionflow Standard / Reality Creation Off. Turning off Reality Creation did seem to help a bit however lost some of the fine detail.
post #407 of 2218
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Originally Posted by Tlbeedy View Post

Thank you HaRd2BeAr for the quick reply,
I've got it set on General scene / Standard picture mode. Edge enhancement Off / Detail Enhancer Off / Cinemotion Off / Motionflow Standard / Reality Creation Off. Turning off Reality Creation did seem to help a bit however lost some of the fine detail.

No worries.

I would personally switch to cinema scene, but many here would disagree, i would also change motion flow to Clear, as standard does nothing to aid motion and adds the soap opera effect.

Reality creation hides fine detail as it covers it in a layer of noise, it is processing all the same, if you like it keep it on, but it does and will mask detail. It's an enhancer like edge enhancement etc.

Aaron
post #408 of 2218
anyoune using the vivid picture mode, I have tried all modes with the settings posted in the forums and feel vivid looks the best
post #409 of 2218
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Originally Posted by waukee View Post

anyoune using the vivid picture mode, I have tried all modes with the settings posted in the forums and feel vivid looks the best
Electronics stores use vivid mode. rolleyes.gif

Do you have a lot of light in the room you're using this?
post #410 of 2218
Just a quick question what is the sony monolithic stand made from is it aluminium or plastic?
post #411 of 2218
It's a typo. Sony 929, not the 950 smile.gif


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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

sony 950 huh?

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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

I know, right? Does he work for Sony?

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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

wow read this guys posts from earlier in this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1407673/official-sony-hx850-owners-thread-46hx850-55hx850/210#post_22178242
and the 950 he's referring to is the 929.
post #412 of 2218
Ok people,
Here are "life like" real settings... Stop trying to make your TV replicate a movie theatre screen with all the dark settings... These new TV's are designed to replicate real life, real colors, so get your eyes adjusted and quit acting like a bunch of Vampires.. These settings are close to what you would see if the event/person was "live" in your presence.
Scene: Cinema 1
Backlight MAX
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Color temperature: Cool or Neutral
Sharpness 80
Noise reduction :Off
Dot noise reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Manual
Resolution: 50
Smooth gradation: Low
Motionflow: Standard (personal choice)
Film mode : Auto 1
Black corrector : HIGH
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: +1
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: HIGH
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: HIGH
Edge enhancer: HIGH
R Gain: -2
G Gain: 0
B Gain: 0
R Bias: 0
G Bias: -1
B Bias: +1
Eco: Off
If anyone tells me that this is too bright, then they must be wearing sun glasses 24/7 365..lol.. Give it a week and allow yourself the chance to get used to it.. After all its closer to what you see in real life..
post #413 of 2218
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Originally Posted by kgunn View Post

Ok people,
Here are "life like" real settings... Stop trying to make your TV replicate a movie theatre screen with all the dark settings... These new TV's are designed to replicate real life, real colors, so get your eyes adjusted and quit acting like a bunch of Vampires.. These settings are close to what you would see if the event/person was "live" in your presence.
Scene: Cinema 1
Backlight MAX
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Color temperature: Cool or Neutral
Sharpness 80
Noise reduction :Off
Dot noise reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Manual
Resolution: 50
Smooth gradation: Low
Motionflow: Standard (personal choice)
Film mode : Auto 1
Black corrector : HIGH
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: +1
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: HIGH
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: HIGH
Edge enhancer: HIGH
R Gain: -2
G Gain: 0
B Gain: 0
R Bias: 0
G Bias: -1
B Bias: +1
Eco: Off
If anyone tells me that this is too bright, then they must be wearing sun glasses 24/7 365..lol.. Give it a week and allow yourself the chance to get used to it.. After all its closer to what you see in real life..

Well said. How do people watch on Movie and Standard? I don't get it. I'm glad I'm not alone.
post #414 of 2218
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Originally Posted by kgunn View Post

Ok people,
Here are "life like" real settings... Stop trying to make your TV replicate a movie theatre screen with all the dark settings... These new TV's are designed to replicate real life, real colors, so get your eyes adjusted and quit acting like a bunch of Vampires.. These settings are close to what you would see if the event/person was "live" in your presence.
Scene: Cinema 1
Backlight MAX
Picture: MAX
Brightness: 50
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Color temperature: Cool or Neutral
Sharpness 80
Noise reduction :Off
Dot noise reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Manual
Resolution: 50
Smooth gradation: Low
Motionflow: Standard (personal choice)
Film mode : Auto 1
Black corrector : HIGH
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: +1
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: HIGH
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: HIGH
Edge enhancer: HIGH
R Gain: -2
G Gain: 0
B Gain: 0
R Bias: 0
G Bias: -1
B Bias: +1
Eco: Off
If anyone tells me that this is too bright, then they must be wearing sun glasses 24/7 365..lol.. Give it a week and allow yourself the chance to get used to it.. After all its closer to what you see in real life..

Horses for courses...excuse me while i fetch my bucket. At least you didn't turn Live color on....

Btw why not just put (Personal choice) next to all those settings, as that is all any settings are...
post #415 of 2218
I am new to this forum but rely on the experts on these forums for advice frequently. I just purchased a Sony 55 HX850 and received it this week. Prior to this I had a Pioneer HD 5060 Plasma which died after 7 years. I had that Plasma professionally calibrated and was disappointed with the results. The picture and colors were so dark and drab to my eyes. It was calibrated correctly, just not to my taste.

Now for the real question. I understand and have read how great the HX850 can be after picture calibration or adjustment. I have tried many of the recommendations for settings on this thread and they all seem rather dark and drab or hazy to me. Maybe that is how the picture should look however, I prefer a quality picture a bit brighter and with more detail and deep blacks. If anyone gets what I am saying I would appreciate a setting for Day and Night. Otherwise I will continue to tinker with recommended settings from others. Right now, custom, out of the box is running at night...a bit hazy (muted) to me. During the day, I am using standard. Lots of detail but very bright. Thanks in advance for any assistance in maximizing my viewing pleasure.
post #416 of 2218
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Originally Posted by mo2v8me View Post

I am new to this forum but rely on the experts on these forums for advice frequently. I just purchased a Sony 55 HX850 and received it this week. Prior to this I had a Pioneer HD 5060 Plasma which died after 7 years. I had that Plasma professionally calibrated and was disappointed with the results. The picture and colors were so dark and drab to my eyes. It was calibrated correctly, just not to my taste.
Now for the real question. I understand and have read how great the HX850 can be after picture calibration or adjustment. I have tried many of the recommendations for settings on this thread and they all seem rather dark and drab or hazy to me. Maybe that is how the picture should look however, I prefer a quality picture a bit brighter and with more detail and deep blacks. If anyone gets what I am saying I would appreciate a setting for Day and Night. Otherwise I will continue to tinker with recommended settings from others. Right now, custom, out of the box is running at night...a bit hazy (muted) to me. During the day, I am using standard. Lots of detail but very bright. Thanks in advance for any assistance in maximizing my viewing pleasure.

Personally the quickest way to have a day and night setup is Cinema 1 and 2 adjusted to your personal taste.

I like the way you put your opinion across without being insulting, it's getting slightly old reading "This is how it should look" or "This is like real life"

I would personally avoid all the "enhancers" which i know i will continue to get flamed for as people say they are there for a reason. If that is what you want to believe then that is up to you.

I would go for a backlight of maybe 7+ for a bright room and maybe around 5 for a duller environment. Make sure ambient sensor is off in the energy saving options as this really darkens the screen.

You may want to up brightness in daylight as well, around 55 or higher because darker details will be harder to see with shadows and reflections etc.

Motion flow is a personal thing, i hate Smooth and Standard as they do nothing to aid motion or hide blur, i personally like Clear as this adds back light scanning, but again this can darken the screen.

Regardless of what the majority say here, neutral color isn't neutral, it maybe Sony's interpretation of neutral but it does have a blue tint. The thing is it is harder for our eyes to detect color errors with blue than red, so i would personally choose Warm 1 over warm 2 if you prefer a cooler look. Neutral may make the picture "pop" but it makes people look way to pasty and pail on every set i have used it on including 2 55HX850.

LED Dynamic Control as usual Standard. Adv Contrast enhancer raises black levels making them lighter ie worse and live color and Clear white adds a major blue push.

Hope this helps.

At the end of the day, it is your eyes and your opinion that matter, you have paid for a professional calibration in the past and didn't like the results so a brighter picture ,maybe more desirable for you.

All the best.

Aaron
post #417 of 2218
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Personally the quickest way to have a day and night setup is Cinema 1 and 2 adjusted to your personal taste.
I like the way you put your opinion across without being insulting, it's getting slightly old reading "This is how it should look" or "This is like real life"
I would personally avoid all the "enhancers" which i know i will continue to get flamed for as people say they are there for a reason. If that is what you want to believe then that is up to you.
I would go for a backlight of maybe 7+ for a bright room and maybe around 5 for a duller environment. Make sure ambient sensor is off in the energy saving options as this really darkens the screen.
You may want to up brightness in daylight as well, around 55 or higher because darker details will be harder to see with shadows and reflections etc.
Motion flow is a personal thing, i hate Smooth and Standard as they do nothing to aid motion or hide blur, i personally like Clear as this adds back light scanning, but again this can darken the screen.
Regardless of what the majority say here, neutral color isn't neutral, it maybe Sony's interpretation of neutral but it does have a blue tint. The thing is it is harder for our eyes to detect color errors with blue than red, so i would personally choose Warm 1 over warm 2 if you prefer a cooler look. Neutral may make the picture "pop" but it makes people look way to pasty and pail on every set i have used it on including 2 55HX850.
LED Dynamic Control as usual Standard. Adv Contrast enhancer raises black levels making them lighter ie worse and live color and Clear white adds a major blue push.
Hope this helps.
At the end of the day, it is your eyes and your opinion that matter, you have paid for a professional calibration in the past and didn't like the results so a brighter picture ,maybe more desirable for you.
All the best.
Aaron

Thanks Aaron....That sounds pretty simple and understandable. I will try your suggestions. My goal is to get the best HD picture suitable to my liking. I like when a picture looks realistic, has lots of detail and "pops". You used the word pop above and that sums up what many settings recommended lack through my eyes. Maybe it's my eyes!!!
post #418 of 2218
Thanks for the kudo's Justin... People like "Hard2bear" need to get there eyes examined and get out of that "Picture Tube" mind set (lmao)...
post #419 of 2218
I agree that settings are indeed personal choices, but on the other hand let's be real and keep up with the technology that these TV's offer, and that is, "quality real life like images"... That is the bottom line.. People clamered for HD, now shut up and enjoy it! I seriously think some of you in these forums live in the stone age with your viewing preferences (lmao).. I mean, do you go about your daily life wearing sun glasses 24/7? I'll give you people a pass if you have serious Cataracts on your eyes, but then you should see an eye specialist..
post #420 of 2218
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Originally Posted by kgunn View Post

Thanks for the kudo's Justin... People like "Hard2bear" need to get there eyes examined and get out of that "Picture Tube" mind set (lmao)...

Quote:
Originally Posted by kgunn View Post

I agree that settings are indeed personal choices, but on the other hand let's be real and keep up with the technology that these TV's offer, and that is, "quality real life like images"... That is the bottom line.. People clamered for HD, now shut up and enjoy it! I seriously think some of you in these forums live in the stone age with your viewing preferences (lmao).. I mean, do you go about your daily life wearing sun glasses 24/7? I'll give you people a pass if you have serious Cataracts on your eyes, but then you should see an eye specialist..

I have perfect eyes thank you very much, i have them tested regularly.

I like bright images, over saturated and blue tinted however is not true to life. So all these people throwing stones ie "You need your eyes tested" are over compensating for something...thank god i don't have to watch your tv's.
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