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post #841 of 2218
nevermind about my 3d on the 850 not being as good as the 929 i had for a month. something is not right with the sony glasses i had. dont know whats wrong with them but they worked better on the 929. anyway i just got the cheap sony ps3 three because of a test a guy did trying out all the sony 3d glasses....the pop and depth is back with these... save money and buy the cheap ps3 glasses, . i was almost about to take my 850 back and get the 929 floor model because i love 3d that much.
post #842 of 2218
Hi friends i am having 2 problems with my Sony Bravia HX850 -

1. The Sony start up logo doesnt come now even though the feature is on.
2. When i am using the internet features the tv sometimes hang and it restarts or the screen goes blank and the red indicator blinks again and again.

Is it a software issue or what?

Is it something serious?

Apart from this i am very happy with the tv. The picture quality is simply the best.

Please help.

Thank you.
post #843 of 2218
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Originally Posted by GTZ View Post

The HHGregg website still lists the 55HX850 but shows the 46HX850 as 'Discontinued'.

i wonder why it is discontinued? anybody know?
post #844 of 2218
Is this set really that much better than the HX750?
post #845 of 2218
re Is this set really that much better than the HX750? I'd like to hear from others on this as well as it looks like I have to return my new LG TV.

Additionally, can anyone tell me how this set handles audio sync with component Amplifiers?

I have just bought an LG 7600 and it always goes out of sync.

I have all my equipment Bell PVR, DVD, Playstation etc) going into my THX Onkyo (non-HDMI) receiver via component, and then I send one audio signal out to the TV via component. LG cannot handle this setup. It fails to keep the audio in sync inputting component video. Can the HX85 keep incoming component signals in complete audio sync?

THanks in advance
Edited by SampleSlicer - 11/27/12 at 4:13pm
post #846 of 2218
The price for the "55 went UP $200.00. =(
post #847 of 2218
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Originally Posted by Needanewbewbtube View Post

The price for the "55 went UP $200.00. =(

At it's current price point near 2,000 it will not sell alot during this holiday. They will need to include some type of bundle package or lower the price if Sony wants these to move. But than again, lowering this model type may not be Sony's #1 agenda either! frown.gif
post #848 of 2218
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Originally Posted by m2845 View Post

At it's current price point near 2,000 it will not sell alot during this holiday. They will need to include some type of bundle package or lower the price if Sony wants these to move. But than again, lowering this model type may not be Sony's #1 agenda either! frown.gif

Not to worry, grasshopper. It's a pretty sure bet that Sony will lower the price again around or just after the year-end holidays. Carnac predicts it!
post #849 of 2218
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Originally Posted by chi_guy50 View Post

Not to worry, grasshopper. It's a pretty sure bet that Sony will lower the price again around or just after the year-end holidays. Carnac predicts it!

Thanks Chi_guy50!

And when they do, I will be all over this. Just hoping this will happen before X-Mas. Time will tell.

By the way, who the hell is Carnac?
post #850 of 2218
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Thanks Chi_guy50!
And when they do, I will be all over this. Just hoping this will happen before X-Mas. Time will tell.
By the way, who the hell is Carnac?

Oh, you young folks!

Carnac the Magnificent
post #851 of 2218
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Originally Posted by chi_guy50 View Post

Oh, you young folks!
Carnac the Magnificent

Thanks Chi_guy50 smile.gif
post #852 of 2218
I am a recent new owner of a Sony HX850. (Hi all!) smile.gif

I think this TV has really good potential, but I am worried about some PQ issues. I have a Sony Bravia XBR-Series KDL-40XBR2 (now moved upstais) which still after 5 years is pretty damn awsome in quality.

First of all the real good about this TV as I 'see it': The PQ on cable box 720p channels (ESPN), blue ray and dlna streaming is really good. As noted here in many posts, there are some gems in the settings that you'll need to tweak, noticably 'full pixel' mode, Cinema (color warmth depends on your preference), white balance the blue down a notch and work out your backlight, contrast brightness and turn off some of the useless smoothing style options. So, after tweaking around with this using ESPN as a benchmark, I was pretty happy. The DLNA and networking was a breeze to install, and the PQ on streaming movie content from my PC is really nice, even some of my 'less acceptable' movies in lesser mpeg qualities still look very very accceptable on the TV.

The sound is not the best, the equalizer allows you to make it a bit more acceptable, It pales comapred to my XBR, not a biggie, I will likely get me a sound bar (almost inevitable with current super nimble LED designs, no room for decent quality speakers and woofers / sound design).


Now the thing that has me worried is the PQ on 1080i. Once I was happily done on ESPN tinkering with the settings, playing with the DLNA, internet and all that, I started flipping to my cable box. (CableVision Atlanta HD DVR, HDMI). Now, most of my HD channels on the cable box are 1080i, and the PQ on these channels is not very good. The colors look off and all cripsness and contrast (that are there on the 720p) are 'dead'. The screens looks way to light (not the right kind of bright, more hazy /milky as if the brightness is on max). Depending on the general color tone of the channel or picture, the picture looks bluesih, purplish or yellowish white.

I went through and toyed with all settings (and tried additionally Cnet, panel review and serttings posted in this forum), worked with the ECO on/off, backlight corection, trying all different features, tries scene Auto, auto 24p (which would work out to autro on 1080i?), Cinema (setting cinema 1 and 2), but I can't get it right. The only way to get it kinda acceptable is turn off the eco settings (as most here advise), backlight at about 5, yank up picture to 90 or max, and turn brighness down to about 40. But it still 'too light' and colors are still off. Chaging colors warmth to 'Warm 1' makes it a bit more 'yellowish'.

I am wondering if there is someting wrong with this set and if I should return it? There are no other issues that I can see, a slight (normal) blooming, no bleeding, no bad pixels. It makes me wonder if this is just 'as good as it gets' on 1080i and the TV's engine and software are dedicated on 24p and simply not doing a good job on interlaced signals?

I also tried toying with the pro options (Color Matrix) and bit mapping on/off, etc, but other than suspecting 'some' effect, I fail to make it look right on most of my channels. The 1080i channels simply look way better on my older XBR.

I will likely check with Sony first and see if there is any remedy for this as I am still in my 30 day return window. I recently returned a Panasonic ET5 that did not live up to my PQ expectations, while this Sony is better, I am not sure if I am happy enough with the 1080i as it is now, and having spend 4 nights tinkering and researching all my options on the internet (great forum here btw!), I am not sure if this can be 'fixed' or is simply nowadays state of LED TVs? confused.gif

Any advice and comments appreciated, hope I'm not too much a debbie downer, I really want to like this TV as much as I love my XBR!
post #853 of 2218
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Originally Posted by marmos View Post

I am a recent new owner of a Sony HX850. (Hi all!) smile.gif
I think this TV has really good potential, but I am worried about some PQ issues. I have a Sony Bravia XBR-Series KDL-40XBR2 (now moved upstais) which still after 5 years is pretty damn awsome in quality.
First of all the real good about this TV as I 'see it': The PQ on cable box 720p channels (ESPN), blue ray and dlna streaming is really good. As noted here in many posts, there are some gems in the settings that you'll need to tweak, noticably 'full pixel' mode, Cinema (color warmth depends on your preference), white balance the blue down a notch and work out your backlight, contrast brightness and turn off some of the useless smoothing style options. So, after tweaking around with this using ESPN as a benchmark, I was pretty happy. The DLNA and networking was a breeze to install, and the PQ on streaming movie content from my PC is really nice, even some of my 'less acceptable' movies in lesser mpeg qualities still look very very accceptable on the TV.
The sound is not the best, the equalizer allows you to make it a bit more acceptable, It pales comapred to my XBR, not a biggie, I will likely get me a sound bar (almost inevitable with current super nimble LED designs, no room for decent quality speakers and woofers / sound design).
Now the thing that has me worried is the PQ on 1080i. Once I was happily done on ESPN tinkering with the settings, playing with the DLNA, internet and all that, I started flipping to my cable box. (CableVision Atlanta HD DVR, HDMI). Now, most of my HD channels on the cable box are 1080i, and the PQ on these channels is not very good. The colors look off and all cripsness and contrast (that are there on the 720p) are 'dead'. The screens looks way to light (not the right kind of bright, more hazy /milky as if the brightness is on max). Depending on the general color tone of the channel or picture, the picture looks bluesih, purplish or yellowish white.
I went through and toyed with all settings (and tried additionally Cnet, panel review and serttings posted in this forum), worked with the ECO on/off, backlight corection, trying all different features, tries scene Auto, auto 24p (which would work out to autro on 1080i?), Cinema (setting cinema 1 and 2), but I can't get it right. The only way to get it kinda acceptable is turn off the eco settings (as most here advise), backlight at about 5, yank up picture to 90 or max, and turn brighness down to about 40. But it still 'too light' and colors are still off. Chaging colors warmth to 'Warm 1' makes it a bit more 'yellowish'.
I am wondering if there is someting wrong with this set and if I should return it? There are no other issues that I can see, a slight (normal) blooming, no bleeding, no bad pixels. It makes me wonder if this is just 'as good as it gets' on 1080i and the TV's engine and software are dedicated on 24p and simply not doing a good job on interlaced signals?
I also tried toying with the pro options (Color Matrix) and bit mapping on/off, etc, but other than suspecting 'some' effect, I fail to make it look right on most of my channels. The 1080i channels simply look way better on my older XBR.
I will likely check with Sony first and see if there is any remedy for this as I am still in my 30 day return window. I recently returned a Panasonic ET5 that did not live up to my PQ expectations, while this Sony is better, I am not sure if I am happy enough with the 1080i as it is now, and having spend 4 nights tinkering and researching all my options on the internet (great forum here btw!), I am not sure if this can be 'fixed' or is simply nowadays state of LED TVs? confused.gif
Any advice and comments appreciated, hope I'm not too much a debbie downer, I really want to like this TV as much as I love my XBR!

Worth mentioning that you have to change screen size for 720p and 1080i signals independently.

It could just be the source, it doesn't sound faulty to me. If you're not happy though its you who has to live with it.

Aaron
post #854 of 2218
i have a similar issue with my Samsung D6000. Some channels and some programming exhibit the exact same problem. I have my cable set top box set to output 1080i all the time. I am wondering if I should set it to 720p all the time. Of course when watching a blu ray or playing games colors pop and contrast and brightness seem dead on. I have had 4 of these sets because I returned others for various issues. The first one I had was a perfect panel almost no flashlighting but I thought something was wrong with the viewing angle so I took it back to find out that they all have viewing angle problems. I also had the Sony NX720 which was a beauty. Im still kicking myself for returning it as it is now not offered. The closest set this year is the 850. The hx750 seems to have negative reviews on black levels which Im not happy about for the price tag it has. I hope you can resolve your problem. If the 55 HX850 drops to 1499 or less around CES time I will jump on it. Seems like its the best edge lit TV out there at the moment.
post #855 of 2218
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Worth mentioning that you have to change screen size for 720p and 1080i signals independently.
It could just be the source, it doesn't sound faulty to me. If you're not happy though its you who has to live with it.
Aaron
I would be willing to accept it being the source if it weren't for the fact hooking my older KLD40XBR2 on the same HDMI, cable box, channel, etc (or DVR recording in 1080i) has much better colors, crispness and PQ. I would think a 'current' HX850 with such raving reviews would put my XBR2 to shame on all fronts, it does so on 24p, not on interlaced.
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Originally Posted by Danediz View Post

i have a similar issue with my Samsung D6000. Some channels and some programming exhibit the exact same problem. I have my cable set top box set to output 1080i all the time. I am wondering if I should set it to 720p all the time. Of course when watching a blu ray or playing games colors pop and contrast and brightness seem dead on. I have had 4 of these sets because I returned others for various issues. The first one I had was a perfect panel almost no flashlighting but I thought something was wrong with the viewing angle so I took it back to find out that they all have viewing angle problems. I also had the Sony NX720 which was a beauty. Im still kicking myself for returning it as it is now not offered. The closest set this year is the 850. The hx750 seems to have negative reviews on black levels which Im not happy about for the price tag it has. I hope you can resolve your problem. If the 55 HX850 drops to 1499 or less around CES time I will jump on it. Seems like its the best edge lit TV out there at the moment.
Exactly. Blue ray, 1080p, 720p, they are all looking great, it's the interlaced channels looking poor which makes me think if it's something to do with different processing / software / codecs isssues on the TV? Interrestingly, depending on the overal color of the input, the whole screen turns a greenish, yellowish, blueish or milky haze. It's really odd as no RGB gains or bias will fix this (it varies by content). It looks to be 'endering bad colors almost as if it is 'overcompensating' or adjusting to overall color tone of the image?

I will see if playing around with the cable box (Scientific Atlanta HD DVR) with different fixed display settings might be related (and having a different effect on my XBR2 and the HX850.

Again, I really, really like this TV and really want to make it work. I love my old XBR2, I think Sony whoops most other TVs available, something must be going on with my TV, cable or setup, but 3 nights of tinkering resulted in nothing so far.

I chatted with a Sony rep earlier this morning, don't go there. ever. Most useless experience ever, will try their phone # later tonight and see if I can get through to a product specialist, will save the chat log for everlasting amusement....
post #856 of 2218
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Originally Posted by marmos View Post

I would be willing to accept it being the source if it weren't for the fact hooking my older KLD40XBR2 on the same HDMI, cable box, channel, etc (or DVR recording in 1080i) has much better colors, crispness and PQ. I would think a 'current' HX850 with such raving reviews would put my XBR2 to shame on all fronts, it does so on 24p, not on interlaced.

Exactly. Blue ray, 1080p, 720p, they are all looking great, it's the interlaced channels looking poor which makes me think if it's something to do with different processing / software / codecs isssues on the TV? Interrestingly, depending on the overal color of the input, the whole screen turns a greenish, yellowish, blueish or milky haze. It's really odd as no RGB gains or bias will fix this (it varies by content). It looks to be 'endering bad colors almost as if it is 'overcompensating' or adjusting to overall color tone of the image?
I will see if playing around with the cable box (Scientific Atlanta HD DVR) with different fixed display settings might be related (and having a different effect on my XBR2 and the HX850.
Again, I really, really like this TV and really want to make it work. I love my old XBR2, I think Sony whoops most other TVs available, something must be going on with my TV, cable or setup, but 3 nights of tinkering resulted in nothing so far.
I chatted with a Sony rep earlier this morning, don't go there. ever. Most useless experience ever, will try their phone # later tonight and see if I can get through to a product specialist, will save the chat log for everlasting amusement....


Pardon my ignorance on this topic. Is 720p inferior to 1080i in anyway? Why not make cable box output everything in 720p?
post #857 of 2218
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Originally Posted by marmos View Post

I would be willing to accept it being the source if it weren't for the fact hooking my older KLD40XBR2 on the same HDMI, cable box, channel, etc (or DVR recording in 1080i) has much better colors, crispness and PQ. I would think a 'current' HX850 with such raving reviews would put my XBR2 to shame on all fronts, it does so on 24p, not on interlaced.

Exactly. Blue ray, 1080p, 720p, they are all looking great, it's the interlaced channels looking poor which makes me think if it's something to do with different processing / software / codecs isssues on the TV? Interrestingly, depending on the overal color of the input, the whole screen turns a greenish, yellowish, blueish or milky haze. It's really odd as no RGB gains or bias will fix this (it varies by content). It looks to be 'endering bad colors almost as if it is 'overcompensating' or adjusting to overall color tone of the image?
I will see if playing around with the cable box (Scientific Atlanta HD DVR) with different fixed display settings might be related (and having a different effect on my XBR2 and the HX850.
Again, I really, really like this TV and really want to make it work. I love my old XBR2, I think Sony whoops most other TVs available, something must be going on with my TV, cable or setup, but 3 nights of tinkering resulted in nothing so far.
I chatted with a Sony rep earlier this morning, don't go there. ever. Most useless experience ever, will try their phone # later tonight and see if I can get through to a product specialist, will save the chat log for everlasting amusement....

What size is your HX850?
post #858 of 2218
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Originally Posted by rajivr View Post

Pardon my ignorance on this topic. Is 720p inferior to 1080i in anyway? Why not make cable box output everything in 720p?
I would say 720p is perfectly fine. I would rather keep the signal 'as is' (my current cable box setting) so 1080i goes as 1080i, 720p goes as is, etc, but if the only way to make it look good is to fix the cable box format to 720p, then so be it, but definately something worth checking with Sony?

I will update this thread this evening trying out my cable box in fixed 920p format (It should support fixed 720p output)
post #859 of 2218
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

What size is your HX850?
46 (KDL46HX850)
post #860 of 2218
I just bought the Avatar 3d bluray and would like to view it with the best possible 3d settings on my 46hx850. What picture setting do you guys use for 3d viewing?
post #861 of 2218
where is everyone's edge bleed located? just curious if it is in the bottom right and left corners like mine
post #862 of 2218
can someone give me any clue whats going on. i have a faint yello square that only shows when watching 3d on the vivid and custom setting. on 3d standard picture setting it doesnt show up. any clue why this happens.
post #863 of 2218
can someone give me any clue whats going on. i have a faint yello square that only shows when watching 3d on the vivid and custom setting. on 3d standard picture setting it doesnt show up. any clue why this happens.
post #864 of 2218
marmos, i'm def new to all this tech talk, but had a 929 for a month and had the same issue with my direct tv cable box. anyway i now have a 850 and see the same issue again that youre seeing. after reading tons of posts in the 929 and now the 950 thread many have the same issue you have while watching cable hd/sd content. these sets 850/929/950 have such amazing pq for blu ray but for some reason these new sets cant put out the same p/q as some older models did while watching cable. maybe like you said its the processing with these new sets. not sure if you want to return thro because what other tv in this price range will you be able to find such amazing p/q for 1080. i'm still under the return month aswell but i cant find another tv that can compare even with the issue were having. some guys in the 929 thread said they turned on some of processing setting options that we all have off while watching movies and said that helps. i know cnet and all the pros say keep everything off but i think some of these options turned on might help while watching cable. others said they run their cable box thro a really good a/v reciever and said that really helps clean out some of the junk coming from whatev cable company youre using..i dont plan on taking mine back, the set looks too good for 1080 in this price range. like i said i'm still new to all this tech and would love to hear more of your findings. please stick around and tell us what you do or what tv you think can compare.
Edited by hellotv - 11/29/12 at 9:20pm
post #865 of 2218
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Originally Posted by Jale79 View Post

I just bought the Avatar 3d bluray and would like to view it with the best possible 3d settings on my 46hx850. What picture setting do you guys use for 3d viewing?
me too, what 3d setting do you guys think is the best
post #866 of 2218
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

marmos, i'm def new to all this tech talk, but had a 929 for a month and had the same issue with my direct tv cable box. anyway i now have a 850 and see the same issue again that youre seeing. after reading tons of posts in the 929 and now the 950 thread many have the same issue you have while watching cable hd/sd content. these sets 850/929/950 have such amazing pq for blu ray but for some reason these new sets cant put out the same p/q as some older models did while watching cable..
Hey hellotv, yep, sounds like me.

My XBR2 (which I used for reference just to make sure I wasn't nuts judging the PQ) does a much better job at most cable channels. For some reason the TV just can't mash any potatoes over less then great 1080p inputs. As I use my TV mostly for watching cable, the fact that it's good on blue ray doesn't help me much.

Even then, the settings I have to use to make it relatively acceptable are a bit of an indication, of the top of my head, I start of like everybody else setting Cinema Scene, put all ECO settings off, select Cinema in picture settings and turn off the cnet's recommended options. Now to make it acceptable, I adjust (top of my head):
Backlight 7
Brightness 30 eek.gif
Picture MAX
Color 48
Hue R1
Gamma MIN eek.gif
White balance -3 - 1 for blues and -1 reds

I can go less drastic on these when activating the 'Scene select sync' and enabling eco dimming, but leaves me mostly with a very low contrast bland picture (kind of the 'out of the box' settings)

And it still has hazy bland scenes depending on the overall picture tones. On darker scenes it goes overly dark, on brighter scenes it goes overly bright with colors warping a bit like you see in old movies that have gone bad / faded over time...

It's kinda crazy, not sure how much of this has to do with specifically new LED edge lit TV or just me having an unlucky specimen. Edge-lit are popular because they are cheaper to produce, more power efficient and very thin. They are more prone to some side effects, but I doubt they should have any less vivd contrasts, brights and in your face power and fidelity than full arrays or old CCFLs?

I have a case open with Sony, will check out what they have to say. They did a couple of standard things on the phone I already did a coupel fo times (full up/power reset, scene selects, dimmer / eco, etc), of course from their side it's just 'my' opinion of how it looks, wonder if they will drop by or swap the TV. I also want to make sure to get this resolved inside 30 days. I really want to make this work as (like you say), I don't think there is many better non plasma options out there. I don't have the space in my room / media cabinet to go for the Full Array sonys (XBR are %% and up :\), as that would have been my prime pick. I wouldn't mind forking out $2.5K for a 47" XBR that would blow me away, except Sony simply doesn't make any < 55" XBRs these days... :\

Will keep you posted on the outcome. I hope I just got unlucky and this is not typical / systemic, else I will have to start from scratch again picking a TV. frown.gif
post #867 of 2218
Just on a call with Sony service.

They asked me to send pictures to a service email address with a picture attached of 'the issue'. I doubt this helps, other than with strong noticable effects, my picture will look like either a bad picture of a good screen image, or a good picture of a bad screen image.... Oh well, let's play along.

The more concerning factor was that the lady explained that the techs will need to evaluate it and decide if and which parts need to be replaced. I asked her if she was kidding (replacing parts and repairing on a 1 brand new delivered TV instead of swapping it). She was not kidding, and could also not guarantee this could be completed inside 30 days - 7 as is as "parts need to be ordered and that can take time"... Crazy talk.

It will look more and more like my best option is to simply return it to Amazon (as per usual hassle free) amd get my money back minus shipping...
post #868 of 2218
you pay shipping return on amazon?! i get it free with all returns... i have done it three times with this tv. first two had dead pixel in the middle of screen. third looks good
post #869 of 2218
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Originally Posted by Phrawst View Post

Greetings All!
First mad props to Sony Customer Service. My 46XBR4 recently developed a 1 pixel vertical line due to a flaw in the panel for that model. Sony extended the warranty on that model and is giving those affected a 46HX850 replacement. I decided to pay the $600 difference and snag a 55". smile.gif

How about sharing some impressions with us on your replacement 55HX850? I am particularly interested to hear how the PQ compares to your previous 46XBR4.
post #870 of 2218
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Originally Posted by marmos View Post

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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

marmos, i'm def new to all this tech talk, but had a 929 for a month and had the same issue with my direct tv cable box. anyway i now have a 850 and see the same issue again that youre seeing. after reading tons of posts in the 929 and now the 950 thread many have the same issue you have while watching cable hd/sd content. these sets 850/929/950 have such amazing pq for blu ray but for some reason these new sets cant put out the same p/q as some older models did while watching cable..
Hey hellotv, yep, sounds like me.

My XBR2 (which I used for reference just to make sure I wasn't nuts judging the PQ) does a much better job at most cable channels. For some reason the TV just can't mash any potatoes over less then great 1080p inputs. As I use my TV mostly for watching cable, the fact that it's good on blue ray doesn't help me much.

Even then, the settings I have to use to make it relatively acceptable are a bit of an indication, of the top of my head, I start of like everybody else setting Cinema Scene, put all ECO settings off, select Cinema in picture settings and turn off the cnet's recommended options. Now to make it acceptable, I adjust (top of my head):
Backlight 7
Brightness 30 eek.gif
Picture MAX
Color 48
Hue R1
Gamma MIN eek.gif
White balance -3 - 1 for blues and -1 reds

I can go less drastic on these when activating the 'Scene select sync' and enabling eco dimming, but leaves me mostly with a very low contrast bland picture (kind of the 'out of the box' settings)

And it still has hazy bland scenes depending on the overall picture tones. On darker scenes it goes overly dark, on brighter scenes it goes overly bright with colors warping a bit like you see in old movies that have gone bad / faded over time...

It's kinda crazy, not sure how much of this has to do with specifically new LED edge lit TV or just me having an unlucky specimen. Edge-lit are popular because they are cheaper to produce, more power efficient and very thin. They are more prone to some side effects, but I doubt they should have any less vivd contrasts, brights and in your face power and fidelity than full arrays or old CCFLs?

I have a case open with Sony, will check out what they have to say. They did a couple of standard things on the phone I already did a coupel fo times (full up/power reset, scene selects, dimmer / eco, etc), of course from their side it's just 'my' opinion of how it looks, wonder if they will drop by or swap the TV. I also want to make sure to get this resolved inside 30 days. I really want to make this work as (like you say), I don't think there is many better non plasma options out there. I don't have the space in my room / media cabinet to go for the Full Array sonys (XBR are %% and up :\), as that would have been my prime pick. I wouldn't mind forking out $2.5K for a 47" XBR that would blow me away, except Sony simply doesn't make any < 55" XBRs these days... :\

Will keep you posted on the outcome. I hope I just got unlucky and this is not typical / systemic, else I will have to start from scratch again picking a TV. frown.gif


I have a Sony NX720. My scene selection changes based on content that is being broadcast. I leave the scene select on auto. Movies use Cinema, Sports uses sports, I think that most regular programming uses general.

Make sure that the scene select that is being used is the one that you are adjusting. The info button on the remote should bring up the current scene select information.

General looks best for my off air programs.

You might try a DVD in your bluray player, but connect the player via the video input. That would be NTSC 480i. See what that looks like.
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