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post #991 of 1357
Being able to do a 'full' visual and power on test is really a must for these TVs.
IMHO: It's too costly and there is just too much that can go wrong between the factory and your home, to go signing off without making sure it is not damaged in any way.

Some sellers advertise "drop-n-tell" sensors being placed on, and in the carton, which may or may not help.
If placed in the carton, then I assume that the factory seal would probably be broken, and that might lead to other complications.

IMHO even if you can do the power on and initialize the TV while still in the lower carton, there is a 'lot' of TV down there that you don't get a look at if you sign off after doing only the power on while still in the lower carton ...... but it's admittedly better than nothing at all.
Once you sign off, you (at minimum) limit your ease of getting any issues resolved, and/or are not in as much control as knowing exactly what you are getting 'before' you sign off.

I used a seller that provided a check list that explicitly documented how to visually inspect the 'entire' TV, as well as the specific power-on inspections to be accomplished, and specified in writing that the delivery service would wait for that.

I couldn't get my remote to work with the 90 in the lower section of the carton, so I couldn't do a power-on inspection as per what the check list required (you need the remote to do the initialization because it can't be done via the side buttons) without removing it from the lower carton, and once again ...... even if I could, I would not have fully inspected the TV if I signed off before I got it fully out of the carton.
I almost caved on that point under pressure from the driver, but I'm glad it didn't work for me.

Once the TV's removed from the lower carton it will not stand up unless the stand is installed, and to install the stand you need to use the carton and packing material to build a table to lay the TV on while the stand is installed.
This doesn't take a long time ...... maybe 5 minutes or so ..... 10 tops.

The delivery guy (that was supposed to wait for this) got real pissy about the wait.
I waffled a bit because of that, but then he started to question my integrity (like I was making stuff up) so I just settled back into 'an old fart calm'...... and took my friggen time. cool.gif
I stuck to my guns and wouldn't sign ('exactly' as per the seller provided documentation and instructions) until the required inspection was accomplished, and so the driver ultimately left without me sighing for anything.


This is how it all went .......
As soon as the driver off-loaded it, my wife and I placed it on a vehicle maintenance creeper and wheeled it into the foyer of our home.
Then (with my wife's help) I quickly unpacked it while the driver was reloading his portable fork-lift.
When he got back to us we had it all open, and were in the process of following the check list.
He started to complain, and told me that they never wait, and I said I was proceeding to do as I had contracted with the seller and I tried to show him the invoice and check list.
He refused to look at it and got more vocal about this was not needed, that my signing didn't really mean anthing, and etc.
Then he called his dispatcher.
The dispatcher told him to load it all back up.
I told him I had no problem with that, and to go ahead and pack it back up.
He seemed to be resistant to entering our home, and looked about the foyer with all the packing materials laying all about, the TV off the pallet, and all the accessories strewn here and there.
He called the dispatcher and told her it was in my home with the carton all taken apart.
He handed me the phone and the dispatcher tried to talk me into sighing so he could leave and make the rest of his deliveries.
I re-emphasized that that just wasn't going to happen until I had completed the check list as per the seller.
The driver took the phone back, said "OK", and left after writing that I refused to sign off, on the shipper ....... andhe placed a copy of the shipper on my porch.

So ............... I guess the point is to decide what/how 'you' want to inspect before you sign off, and then get exactly that from the seller 'in writing' and then just stick to you guns when/if the actual delivery guy tries to change things.

Having a plan that gets it into your home as soon as it gets delivered might also be a help.
I suspect that once you have it unpacked down the lower carton, you are in control of what will and won't be signed before you complete the inspection. wink.gif
Not many delivery people are going to want to try and repack the upper half with no strapping and move it back on the truck, so you will probably get to do a full inspection before having to sign off.
I've had my 90 for about a month now ........... and I still haven't signed off on the delivery. smile.gif

I would guess that for some a service that brought the TV into your home and set it up for actual viewing, might also be a reasonable choice if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, and are willing to pay for that.
In the end it all probably really depends on how well of a back-up your CC card provider and/or if you used a buying service like Amazon or eBay that also has buyer protection, and how much confidence you have in them, as a trade-off for just getting curb side delivery and going it on your own.

I would like to add that I did warn of some "back east sellers" being like the typical camera outfits, with all the horror stories and similar tactics, but I hope it is understood I was not referring specifically to the company East Coast TV.
Other than seeing their prices seem to be very good, I have no opinion of them, having never bought or even negotiated with them, and would consequently defer to others here that 'have' had a very positive experience with them.
Edited by Flyer91 - 4/20/13 at 4:15pm
post #992 of 1357
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Originally Posted by Flyer91 View Post

Being able to do a 'full' visual and power on test is really a must for these TVs.
IMHO: It's too costly and there is just too much that can go wrong between the factory and your home, to go signing off without making sure it is not damaged in any way.

Some sellers advertise "drop-n-tell" sensors being placed on, and in the carton, which may or may not help.
If placed in the carton, then I assume that the factory seal would probably be broken, and that might lead to other complications.

IMHO even if you can do the power on and initialize the TV while still in the lower carton, there is a 'lot' of TV down there that you don't get a look at if you sign off after doing only the power on while still in the lower carton ...... but it's admittedly better than nothing at all.
Once you sign off, you (at minimum) limit your ease of getting any issues resolved, and/or are not in as much control as knowing exactly what you are getting 'before' you sign off.

I used a seller that provided a check list that explicitly documented how to visually inspect the 'entire' TV, as well as the specific power-on inspections to be accomplished, and specified in writing that the delivery service would wait for that.

I couldn't get my remote to work with the 90 in the lower section of the carton, so I couldn't do a power-on inspection as per what the check list required (you need the remote to do the initialization because it can't be done via the side buttons) without removing it from the lower carton, and once again ...... even if I could, I would not have fully inspected the TV if I signed off before I got it fully out of the carton.
I almost caved on that point under pressure from the driver, but I'm glad it didn't work for me.

Once the TV's removed from the lower carton it will not stand up unless the stand is installed, and to install the stand you need to use the carton and packing material to build a table to lay the TV on while the stand is installed.
This doesn't take a long time ...... maybe 5 minutes or so ..... 10 tops.

The delivery guy (that was supposed to wait for this) got real pissy about the wait.
I waffled a bit because of that, but then he started to question my integrity (like I was making stuff up) so I just settled back into 'an old fart calm'...... and took my friggen time. cool.gif
I stuck to my guns and wouldn't sign ('exactly' as per the seller provided documentation and instructions) until the required inspection was accomplished, and so the driver ultimately left without me sighing for anything.


This is how it all went .......
As soon as the driver off-loaded it, my wife and I placed it on a vehicle maintenance creeper and wheeled it into the foyer of our home.
Then (with my wife's help) I quickly unpacked it while the driver was reloading his portable fork-lift.
When he got back to us we had it all open, and were in the process of following the check list.
He started to complain, and told me that they never wait, and I said I was proceeding to do as I had contracted with the seller and I tried to show him the invoice and check list.
He refused to look at it and got more vocal about this was not needed, that my signing didn't really mean anthing, and etc.
Then he called his dispatcher.
The dispatcher told him to load it all back up.
I told him I had no problem with that, and to go ahead and pack it back up.
He seemed to be resistant to entering our home, and looked about the foyer with all the packing materials laying all about, the TV off the pallet, and all the accessories strewn here and there.
He called the dispatcher and told her it was in my home with the carton all taken apart.
He handed me the phone and the dispatcher tried to talk me into sighing so he could leave and make the rest of his deliveries.
I re-emphasized that that just wasn't going to happen until I had completed the check list as per the seller.
The driver took the phone back, said "OK", and left after writing that I refused to sign off, on the shipper ....... andhe placed a copy of the shipper on my porch.

So ............... I guess the point is to decide what/how 'you' want to inspect before you sign off, and then get exactly that from the seller 'in writing' and then just stick to you guns when/if the actual delivery guy tries to change things.

Having a plan that gets it into your home as soon as it gets delivered might also be a help.
I suspect that once you have it unpacked down the lower carton, you are in control of what will and won't be signed before you complete the inspection. wink.gif
Not many delivery people are going to want to try and repack the upper half with no strapping and move it back on the truck, so you will probably get to do a full inspection before having to sign off.
I've had my 90 for about a month now ........... and I still haven't signed off on the delivery. smile.gif

I would guess that for some a service that brought the TV into your home and set it up for actual viewing, might also be a reasonable choice if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, and are willing to pay for that.
In the end it all probably really depends on how well of a back-up your CC card provider and/or if you used a buying service like Amazon or eBay that also has buyer protection, and how much confidence you have in them, as a trade-off for just getting curb side delivery and going it on your own.

I would like to add that I did warn of some "back east sellers" being like the typical camera outfits, with all the horror stories and similar tactics, but I hope it is understood I was not referring specifically to the company East Coast TV.
Other than seeing their prices seem to be very good, I have no opinion of them, having never bought or even negotiated with them, and would consequently defer to others here that 'have' had a very positive experience with them.

My God - what a horror story (about your delivery) - it is anxiety provoking enough to order this expensive a TV off the internet but to have to go through that stress at time of delivery , incredible!! You can use the remote if you know where to shoot it up close to the styrofoam area - I did that with 4 TV's (3 + 1 exchange unit) it was a bit tricky but it worked. The original TV's I had no argument about as far as setting it up for inspection - the drivers did all the work - putting in the power cord and going through the initial setup and then I plugged in an HDMI to each TV to look at the picture to see if I had any screen defects. They also lifted the TV completely out of the box for me to inspect Prior to their arrival I checked the company out and their website promoted them as a premium "white glove delivery" service. I then talked with the people and they spelled out what their normal process was as far as large-screen TV's was and they delivered on that promise.

ECTV are not the easiest people to deal with but they were quite upfront that a lot of their profit came from selling the extras like "white glove delivery" and extended warraties (I didn't pay any more for the MACK warranty than I would have with Sharp's extended warranty) but you still end up saving some $$ despite the add-ons and the delivery went extremely smooth.

Anyway, with these TV's having such a great picture quality which has now been enhanced even further by the Onkyo TXNR1010 receivers, I should be set for the next 5-6 years about the time OLED will be affordable in large screen TV's and 4K becomes commonplace.
post #993 of 1357
Yeah, I'm up in the Sierras just outside the south entrance to Yosemite, and the last leg of the trip was a local delivery service out of the largest local town up here ( Oakhurst).
I suspect if I was still living back in the Bay Area, the delivery would have been less ........ hillbilly. wink.gif

It was a Friday and after east coast business hours so I couldn't get the retailer on the phone.

It reads more frantic than it actually was, and when he started in with the "now your just making stuff up" and raising his voice, I just put on a smile and continued ...... slowly ....... and purposefully ...... with the next step on the checklist ....... after making sure I was reading it correctly by having my wife slowly ....... and clearly ........ repeat the step back to me.
Sometimes with age comes .......... attitude! wink.gif

I received my Onkyo 1010 yesterday (and printed out the manual).
I have some Klipsch R series SS speakers on order after some very valued hints from Fastslappy!

The wife and I really appreciate all the help from you guys here on AVS!! smile.gif
Edited by Flyer91 - 4/20/13 at 9:48pm
post #994 of 1357
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by planetweckesser View Post



Anyway, with these TV's having such a great picture quality which has now been enhanced even further by the Onkyo TXNR1010 receivers, I should be set for the next 5-6 years about the time OLED will be affordable in large screen TV's and 4K becomes commonplace.
pleased to hear the the 1010 works for you I have my 1009 upscale every thing to 1080P & all the ISF values in the AVR as neutral & I run the SuZooK settings
I run HTPC,BluRay DirceTV all thru the 1009 . If you need a back lighted remote for the 1010 just order the remote for a 5010 as they work on these 1009 & 1010 , I got one from Onkyo direct $74 from Onkyo parts dept , I think you could also set-up a tablet or iphone/andriod to do the remote controls now as well IIRC , but I've gotten used to using the remote so well , I don't bother . I actually find the remote faster to use . I can check email during the commercials L O L .
post #995 of 1357
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

pleased to hear the the 1010 works for you I have my 1009 upscale every thing to 1080P & all the ISF values in the AVR as neutral & I run the SuZooK settings
I run HTPC,BluRay DirceTV all thru the 1009 . If you need a back lighted remote for the 1010 just order the remote for a 5010 as they work on these 1009 & 1010 , I got one from Onkyo direct $74 from Onkyo parts dept , I think you could also set-up a tablet or iphone/andriod to do the remote controls now as well IIRC , but I've gotten used to using the remote so well , I don't bother . I actually find the remote faster to use . I can check email during the commercials L O L .

Actually the remote for the 5010 is exactly the same as for the 1010 (from what I can tell from the button layout) and it is backlighted. I really like the "all in one capabilities" and using it to control the Sharp as well as DirecTV (with some modifications using "learning remote" for some missing functions on DirecTV).

I still can't get over the PQ difference - e..g watching the "Weekend Update" segment on Saturday Night Live - the background of the set they use is lighter pastel colors and the people almost blended in front of this set - no more - the people stand out sharply with improved skin tones and colors - I know this is not my imagination because I was always critical of the way this particular set was handled (from the PQ standpoint) - no more criticism now.
post #996 of 1357
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Originally Posted by planetweckesser View Post

Actually the remote for the 5010 is exactly the same as for the 1010 (from what I can tell from the button layout) and it is backlighted. I really like the "all in one capabilities" and using it to control the Sharp as well as DirecTV (with some modifications using "learning remote" for some missing functions on DirecTV).

I still can't get over the PQ difference - e..g watching the "Weekend Update" segment on Saturday Night Live - the background of the set they use is lighter pastel colors and the people almost blended in front of this set - no more - the people stand out sharply with improved skin tones and colors - I know this is not my imagination because I was always critical of the way this particular set was handled (from the PQ standpoint) - no more criticism now.
Then Onkyo stepped up & gave Ya thr premo product on the remote , the 1009 came with a lessor one , same buttons just No back light . Cool !
Yeah I looking at replacing my 807 in the bedroom with this 1009 & getting a 10 series or a series 11 come fall , that 807 has that Fariquita chip in it & it's worse than that Reon in the 5008
the wife b*tches why my display looks so much better in PQ :-0 I explain but she just rolls her eyes when I start talkin' equipment
post #997 of 1357
4K's getting more affordable. But what are we supposed to do with them? Its a mystery to me why someone would buy one without content now or in the foreseeable future. Right now the 90 gives me the biggest bank for the buck.
Does anyone know where the content will be coming from. I would assume it would require too much bandwidth to played on DTV or cable. Do they up convert better that current sets?
Anyone done any research on this?

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Specials/Default.aspx?offerid=88974
post #998 of 1357
The messages about warranty only apply if what you receive from an "unauthorized" store is refurbished instead of new. Sometimes people received the refurb when the website stated new in which case when you go for warranty, Sharp will tell you that the serial number is for a refurbished and cannot be used. You take a chance, but to save extra money its worth it (usually 3 grand less). Buy it with some credit cards and they through the extra year warranty on and you could go through them if Sharp refused. Squaretrade warranty at Costco for 100 bucks can be used too.
post #999 of 1357
Ordered my 90" from Buydig, should be here shortly. With all the talk about video processing... Curious if anyone uses the BDP-105 for video processing. Wondering if I should use it as my video switcher instead of my Denon AVP-A1HDCI. The Denon uses the HQV Realta while the Oppo uses the Marvell Kyoto-G2H video processor with Qdeo.
post #1000 of 1357
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Ordered my 90" from Buydig, should be here shortly. With all the talk about video processing... Curious if anyone uses the BDP-105 for video processing. Wondering if I should use it as my video switcher instead of my Denon AVP-A1HDCI. The Denon uses the HQV Realta while the Oppo uses the Marvell Kyoto-G2H video processor with Qdeo.
use the oppo BDP-105 ,that's my next purchase once the money tree blooms again smile.gif my Sony 3 year old BD player is in need of a upgrade wink.gif
post #1001 of 1357
I should be ordering this baby shortly.

Coincidentally, I was in HHGregg this weekend and a salesman I spoke to before.asked me what I did about buying a TV.

I told him that since it was on UPP, I was not likely going to use HHGregg.

He told me it's no longer UPP?? He showed me the HHGregg screen. Their screen also said Discontinued???

Maybe they are no longer going to sell it?

Finally, I asked him to email me his best price. It was not even close to some of the on-line quotes I have received.....
post #1002 of 1357
I took delivery of a Sharp 90" last week. So far it's been fantastic. I'll post a longer review later but right now I'm concerned about one minor thing. I'm seeing subtle dark vertical bands along the far left and right edge of the screen. They are hard to see unless the screen is a light solid color, like when you are booting into the Netflix app and the screen is all red.

I've only seen one other online reference to this problem in an Amazon review here: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1S9UJASYKTZJC/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B008G0IKSK&nodeID=172282&store=electronics

The issue isn't really that pronounced but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it in this quite extensive and nit-picky thread. (Yes, I've read all 1000 posts!) This leads me to believe it's a problem with my particular unit rather than the model as a whole. Could some of the other owners on this thread take a look at their unit and see if they have this problem too?

Looking back at some of the pictures that are posted here I believe I see the issue in one shot posted by Flyer91 in post #944. The left side of the screenshot of M. Gary Neuman shows a slight dark band along the edge. This is what I am seeing here.

If this problem is seen on the other units, I'm certainly not going to return mine. It's a subtle issue and aside from this I find the 90" Sharp to be fabulous. I'm just wondering if I should get my particular unit replaced with another 90" before my 30 days runs out.

Thanks!
post #1003 of 1357
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Originally Posted by rocketpix View Post

I took delivery of a Sharp 90" last week. So far it's been fantastic. I'll post a longer review later but right now I'm concerned about one minor thing. I'm seeing subtle dark vertical bands along the far left and right edge of the screen. They are hard to see unless the screen is a light solid color, like when you are booting into the Netflix app and the screen is all red.

I've only seen one other online reference to this problem in an Amazon review here: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1S9UJASYKTZJC/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B008G0IKSK&nodeID=172282&store=electronics

The issue isn't really that pronounced but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it in this quite extensive and nit-picky thread. (Yes, I've read all 1000 posts!) This leads me to believe it's a problem with my particular unit rather than the model as a whole. Could some of the other owners on this thread take a look at their unit and see if they have this problem too?

Looking back at some of the pictures that are posted here I believe I see the issue in one shot posted by Flyer91 in post #944. The left side of the screenshot of M. Gary Neuman shows a slight dark band along the edge. This is what I am seeing here.

If this problem is seen on the other units, I'm certainly not going to return mine. It's a subtle issue and aside from this I find the 90" Sharp to be fabulous. I'm just wondering if I should get my particular unit replaced with another 90" before my 30 days runs out.

Thanks!
post some pix smile.gif

I looked @ the Amazon review & if you have blotches & bands like his as he reports ===> replace the unit with a store exchange right now with your 30 day return window
do you have it set to dot by dot ?
post #1004 of 1357
Rocketpix,

I am definitely going to check tonight for the vertical bands, but I can say without a doubt I do have some of the clouding or uneven black levels also mentioned in the amazon review you have linked. I have not seen anyone mention this in the thread (unless I missed it). I can't imagine that everyone that owns the set in the thread has perfectly black background images considering a lot of the inconsistencies found in the other Sharp sets. It has not bothered me, however, I am thinking of calling it in to Sharp just to document it, in the event that it gets worse.
post #1005 of 1357
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Originally Posted by rocketpix View Post

I took delivery of a Sharp 90" last week. So far it's been fantastic. I'll post a longer review later but right now I'm concerned about one minor thing. I'm seeing subtle dark vertical bands along the far left and right edge of the screen. They are hard to see unless the screen is a light solid color, like when you are booting into the Netflix app and the screen is all red.

I've only seen one other online reference to this problem in an Amazon review here: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1S9UJASYKTZJC/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B008G0IKSK&nodeID=172282&store=electronics

The issue isn't really that pronounced but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it in this quite extensive and nit-picky thread. (Yes, I've read all 1000 posts!) This leads me to believe it's a problem with my particular unit rather than the model as a whole. Could some of the other owners on this thread take a look at their unit and see if they have this problem too?

Looking back at some of the pictures that are posted here I believe I see the issue in one shot posted by Flyer91 in post #944. The left side of the screenshot of M. Gary Neuman shows a slight dark band along the edge. This is what I am seeing here.

If this problem is seen on the other units, I'm certainly not going to return mine. It's a subtle issue and aside from this I find the 90" Sharp to be fabulous. I'm just wondering if I should get my particular unit replaced with another 90" before my 30 days runs out.

Thanks!

I looked at all 3 of my units and booted into the Netflix screen - I think I can see what you mean - I would call this normal behavior perhaps having to do with the full backlight LED system - it is certainly not visible when watching a normal screen. I freeze framed a scene from a previous ice-hockey game where there was pure white on both sides of the screen and then stood back about 4-6 feet from the exact center of the screen - really couldn't see it well - if I walked over and aligned myself with either side of the TV (edge) I could see what looks like a diffuse darker band - while watching the hockey game not freeze framed it is really not noticeable (not clinically relevant as we say in medicine). No display panel is perfect and I would say this behavior (IMHO) does not detract from the enjoyment of the overall excellent PQ.
post #1006 of 1357
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

post some pix smile.gif

I looked @ the Amazon review & if you have blotches & bands like his as he reports ===> replace the unit with a store exchange right now with your 30 day return window
do you have it set to dot by dot ?

Not sure what you mean by "dot by dot." What setting controls this?

I've been playing with all of the Picture Controls for the past few days and currently have all of the automatic signal processing turned off and most everything else set at zero or unity. The picture is stunning like this, much better than any of the presets. I have seen what I think is the blotchy black background referred to in the Amazon review but only on dark screen savers and menus, not on any real picture content.

None of the picture settings seem to change the shadowy black bars on the sides. I'm wondering if these are caused by some sort of stress on the glass during the manufacturing process.
post #1007 of 1357
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Not sure what you mean by "dot by dot." What setting controls this?

I've been playing with all of the Picture Controls for the past few days and currently have all of the automatic signal processing turned off and most everything else set at zero or unity. The picture is stunning like this, much better than any of the presets. I have seen what I think is the blotchy black background referred to in the Amazon review but only on dark screen savers and menus, not on any real picture content.

None of the picture settings seem to change the shadowy black bars on the sides. I'm wondering if these are caused by some sort of stress on the glass during the manufacturing process.
dot to dot is in the modes settings , basically It corrects the overscan that the other modes pose , . You really can tell over scan if you use the display as a computer desktop as the whole desk top will be cropped slightly
your display should not have any blotchy areas when a fully black or dark screen is up . I never seen the dark bar issue , but other persons have returned sets for the blotchy areas as that is a screen defect . the display is expensive so if it bothers you now ,it is easier to return it now than go thru Sharp warranty service . The screen should be uniformly black all across with no lighter areas .
post #1008 of 1357
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Originally Posted by planetweckesser View Post

I looked at all 3 of my units and booted into the Netflix screen - I think I can see what you mean - I would call this normal behavior perhaps having to do with the full backlight LED system - it is certainly not visible when watching a normal screen. I freeze framed a scene from a previous ice-hockey game where there was pure white on both sides of the screen and then stood back about 4-6 feet from the exact center of the screen - really couldn't see it well - if I walked over and aligned myself with either side of the TV (edge) I could see what looks like a diffuse darker band - while watching the hockey game not freeze framed it is really not noticeable (not clinically relevant as we say in medicine). No display panel is perfect and I would say this behavior (IMHO) does not detract from the enjoyment of the overall excellent PQ.

I think what you are describing is exactly what I am seeing, a diffuse darker band along the left and right edge.

I should point out to everyone that happens to be reading this, that I do professional broadcast work and I am extremely discriminating about picture quality. I've been living with my new purchase for the past few days and my final nit-picks are not a reason to avoid purchasing the Sharp 90". It is stunning! I just want it to be as perfect as it can be ;-)

Thanks planetweckesser for checking. It is much appreciated.
post #1009 of 1357
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Originally Posted by rapidrezults View Post

Rocketpix,

I am definitely going to check tonight for the vertical bands, but I can say without a doubt I do have some of the clouding or uneven black levels also mentioned in the amazon review you have linked. I have not seen anyone mention this in the thread (unless I missed it). I can't imagine that everyone that owns the set in the thread has perfectly black background images considering a lot of the inconsistencies found in the other Sharp sets. It has not bothered me, however, I am thinking of calling it in to Sharp just to document it, in the event that it gets worse.

I'm wondering if this blotchy black level problem shows up more with different settings. I'll have to do some more tests and look out for it. I can already hear my wife saying, "No more tests! Let's watch a movie!"

We watched Avatar in 3D over the weekend. Very nice!
post #1010 of 1357
With my 90 I have found that the dark shady band appears (for some reason) to be more source dependent than just being a source with a white background.

I'm not sure what the difference is with one source's white over another source's white, but the degree of the shady band ranges from almost non-existent to very noticable ....... with even some expansion of it at the corners, with different images.

Because it's almost completely gone at times that the screen is (for all practical purposes) completly white, and then so 'obviously there' at other times the screen is all white, then comes and goes with different images of colored content, I'm thinking it's just one of those things that a large LED backlight screen (especially one that's this bright) will 'expose' in the content it's being fed that has it, and doesn't show when the content doesn't have it.

In fact you can see the same thing at the edges of a 4.3 aspect ratio source's verticle black bars when (as above) it's there in the source.
IMHO: If the source has it you see it ............

Anyway ....... congrats on the new 90!!
I'm sure you will be impressed with it the more you watch it and get it dialed in. smile.gif
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how far back does this bar effect happen at ? I mean are you too close to the display when you see this ?
because if you are too close you might be seeing a off angle derogation of image on the outside angle of the view ie; the outer edges ?
do you see this at say 12 feet back ,14 feet back ?
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When it's present I can see it from pretty much any place in the viewing area, and beyond.
My seats are about 15 ft away, and the room extends into the dining area and kitchen.
Although it does become harder to see the farther away, it can still be seen (or at least sensed) when in the kitchen, about 30 feet away.

Once again, you really have to look for it, and IMHO it's in the source material, and not always present based on just background whitness.
It is very slight, like somebody lightly air brushed a soft/gossamer vertilcle 'shading' line at an inch or so from the edge of the screen 'and/or' at the dark 4.3 aspect rartio bars, but only on some content.

I just took a long look at my Sammy LCD set. It has it too but proportionally less.
The Sammy is a 60", and like the 90 doesn't always appear to have it.
I'm wondering it it isn't light diffraction of some kind, that shows up when certain source materials, that are not just specifically a white screen (but instead) are also certain color and shading related. (?????)
Edited by Flyer91 - 4/25/13 at 4:22pm
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I had a chance today to hook up my new Sharp 90" to my professional editing system in the next room. That enabled me to send solid color, that I knew was clean, no gradients or textures, to the screen. I previewed pure solid white, gray, red, green, blue, magenta, cyan, and yellow. The vertical shadows that I am seeing on the far left and right varied depending on the color. Blue and green showed it the worst and magenta showed almost no shadow at all.

I took a picture of the solid blue screen which was one of the worst. Hopefully it will help clarify what I'm talking about in my previous few posts. Pay no attention to the moire pattern. That was caused by the photograph and doesn't appear when looking at the TV.

The black shadows on the left and right do not change significantly with viewing angle or distance. They only change, like I said, when the image on the screen changes.

My guess is that there was some stress on the glass either from handling or cutting in the manufacturing process or maybe the way it's mounted in the frame. Maybe. Or maybe it's a problem with the pixels. Who knows. In any case as others are seeing it more or less on their units too, even those from other manufactures apparently, we've decided to keep the unit we have. We don't want to risk something else going wrong as everything else on this unit works flawlessly as far as I can tell.



The color was sent to the screen from a Final Cut Pro editing system via the HDMI output of an AJA Kona LHi hardware card. The photo was taken with a Nikon D5000 DSLR about 15 feet from the screen.
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Just for grins here's another picture I took today. It's a bit overexposed and, since it's daytime, you can see some reflections in the dark areas. Again, pay no attention to the terrible moire. That's just the photograph.

This is an HD test pattern I've had for awhile and I have to say, this TV looks fabulous. I have all the picture settings on the TV set to zero or unity and have all the automatic processing that I can find in the menus turned off. This chart looks almost perfect. The light to dark spread across the center shows detail from end to end with no clipping. The black and white resolution lines are sharp, even at one pixel. The edge markers are spot on so I'll be able to see the whole frame now. (My previous television was a rear projection Mitsubishi Alpha that cropped the edges.) Color is a little wacky in the photo because I was using auto white balance and there was other light in the room, but in person it looks pretty good. Could use a bit of adjustment but not bad. All in all an excellent looking screen especially since none of the settings have been tweaked yet. I love this TV!

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Glad to read that you are happy with the set.
I certainly am with mine!! smile.gif

Your results would seem to confirm that it does actually come and go.

I'm still not sure if it is just one of the things that is more apparent in a larger set, or just Sharp 90" related.
When I look for it ....... I'm now seeing some amount/hints of it in everything that has an LCD screen .... even in my HP Pavilion 20" laptop's screen!!
So, I just may be suffering from a reverse placebo effect! eek.gif

In any case, I'm not going to look for it anymore ..........
I call this "The Ostrich Deviation to Sharp's Law" and it seems to be working rather well. wink.gif
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I also notice the bands on the sides. I think it is inherent in the design...and I can't see one of these models not having them. It is more noticeable on some content /colors etc. After it was mentioned, I vaguely recall noticing them previously, but had just attributed it to a content/channel glitch. Either way, not bothersome at all.

Anyone with this TV should definitely get a look at an NBA playoff game broadcasted on TNT. Their playoff HD broadcasts are amazing. It really shows the strength of this TV for sports.
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TV get delivered tomorrow. Did all my prep work today hanging wall mount, running an outlet for TV and putting 2 HDMI's and Ethernet into the wall... Picture of old Sony Qualia on its way out to a friends house.
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do you feel sad or guilty to get rid of the qualia afterall u did spent a lots of money to buy that
because i do
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Originally Posted by btscott View Post

TV get delivered tomorrow. Did all my prep work today hanging wall mount, running an outlet for TV and putting 2 HDMI's and Ethernet into the wall....

What wall mount did you go with for your new 90?

I'm considering going to one and don't see too many of them available for it.

Does it have a part that mounts to the TV and a part that attaches to the wall (into the studs), and you just lift the TV and it hooks to the wall mount somewhow while you add bolts, or do you need more than two people to hold it while another person bolts things together?

I hope you enjoy the new set.
They really 'are' amazing!
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Yes, sad to see it go. At its height was a amazing picture. Getting a free replacement TV from Sony made it a little easier to accept.
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