How to match a sub - Page 2

You have a very big room. If you hope to play your speakers at serious volume with your NAD amp, you need a sub with high output. An 8" or 10" sub will definitely not cut it. A 12" ported or a 15" sealed sub should work.

The Rythmik sealed subs have the best reputation for SQ in this under $1500 range for sounding musical and producing articulate, detailed bass. They use direct servo technology which self corrects the signal to eliminate distortion. The best sealed subs in this price range will also typically have better sounding bass than the best ported subs (thus the choice for music), whereas the ported subs are a better price/performance option for more SPL output (thus usually the choice for HT).

Thus, my recommendation above of the Rythmik F15HP. I think you need at least a 15" in one of the Rythmik sealed subs for that size room. If you don't listen to it at loud volumes, then the Rythmik F15 might be fine. If you call Rythmik and ask, Brian Ding, the owner and designer of the subs can advise you.

BTW: the PSB subwoofers might not be that much better than the Klipsch subwoofers in the same price range.

Also, here's a review of the Rythmik F12SE. You would get similar quality with more volume output from the 15" Rythmik sealed subs. And here's a review of the Rythmik FV15HP, which, as a ported sub, has more ouput than the 15" Rythmik sealed subs, whereas the sealed subs should have a little better SQ.

Yes! Placement is also something to consider too! You don't need to match subs to speakers.

Yes and no. You have to have enough sub output for the room or you won't be able to feel the bass. But once you have determined how much sub you need in terms of SPL, then you can think about which has the best SQ to match up with your system.

If you aren't going to run it super loud, then you might also could consider dual SVS SB12-NSDs. They are considered very good for music (the Rythmiks might be a little better), and I believe (confirm this by calling SVS) that they have the built in high pass. What you could do is run y adapters to split the RCA L/R out from the main pre out on the amp to the two subs, and then run the output from one of the subs back to the main in on the NAD amp after it has filtered the high end for the speakers.

Don't need to match at all

Oh yea sorry didn't read the question right. Well if you are just doing a stereo system I'm sure those $9,000 3 ways can probably go low enough and loud enough to do justice for that recording. *IMHO*. $300 bookshelfs like my RC-10s can go low but not "loud" enough for some of my songs but for the majority of my collection they do just fine

I looked that list and was trying to see the prices and specs on those subs. What type of music do you listen to and how loud do you like listen?

Good then go! You came here for opinions and people are trying to help you get the best sub for you money and listing needs and you are being completely rude! I mean why?

Get a matching sub for your DALI! Less headache for you and others as neither money or performance isn't your objective.

As for my experience, I purchased my first serious sub to go with my system (paradigm studio 60v5 + Integra DTR 40.3) not too long ago. I didn't research enough and got a paradigm sub12. Despite being very happy with the performance, I wish I found this forum sooner to save me a few bucks. One of SVS or Rythmic sub would surely give me the same performance out of my sub12 with less money.

Go with the Sub Series 500. Why? That's a very good question. Since it is clear that you are hell bent on going with a sub brand that no one in their right mind would recommend, why not? You don't care about money and have to have PSB, may as well buy the best they have.

Shan

For your room size and strictly from your psb page, only 2 subwoofers that I'd consider - subseries 500 and 300, mainly for their 12" drivers. Anything smaller might sound suffocating/inadequate in your room. Apparently 500 is the winner here because of its higher power and lower frequency extension.

I would recommend the PSB SubSeries HD10. Its small but powerful. Not of a lot of bass below 30hz according to some reviews and specs but I know that's what you're after. The sub should be fine for a 2 channel music only system. They are definately nice looking units, should look good togther with your Mentors. At $1500, it is on the pricey side.

It also appears from the manual for the HD10 that the high pass filter for filtering content back to the speakers through the line out is set fixed at 80hz. Not adjustable.

OP: People are trying to steer you away from the pizza because even the best pizza in town tastes like crap and it is a lot more expensive than an average hamburger in town. For the same money you could get the best hamburger in town. If you still insist on eating that pizza (in case you are a veggie), suit yourself. Even an average cheese burger in town would taste a lot better than that pizza you are going after.

Even that hamburger with rancid lettuce is not bad at all compared to that pizza! What kind of health reasons you have to so badly want to eat that pizza which everyone is asking you not to eat? Dont you realize that you are going to get sick eating that pizza?

That's funny. I get that same feeling from you.
Ummm, no, no, YOU are the rude one as you have been constant about your pizza and have refused to even consider all the other pizza's in town. Very rude for an out of towner to alienate the locals, just because that out of towner is agenda driven. Now sir, THAT is rude and precisely what you have done thruout this thread.

Now, to this thread and to answer your quite specific topic starting question as to which sub from the PSB link you provided, then your 2nd very specific question as to which sub from the Dali link you provided. The answer is NONE. And you want to know why? Because they are ALL inferior subs, both in price and sound quality when compared to what has been suggested over and over again already, internet direct subwoofer companies.

Since money appears to be no concern, and sound quality is for you,
then why are you so adamant on saying everyone who has tried to help you is being rude?

You say there are many reasons that lead you to that PSB link, well it is obvious it wasn't due to research, or those subs would never have been on your radar. So if you are so hellbent on throwing away perfectly good money on an inferior product, why don't you try to explain HOW & WHY you reached the conclusion that your choice is only doable by going the PSB/Dali route? Answer that and you might get more responces geared toward teaching you the proper etiquette of subwoofers. The first thing learned you is that a subwoofer does not, and cannot, be 'matched' to main speakers, regardless of the brand or price.

And here is lesson #2...The only "matching" a subwoofer needs, is with another subwoofer, in which case, just as with the front speakers, they need to be the same for the best possible sound. And yes, this applies even if level matching is attempted.

Now please, you asked for help with very little info on the problem, please relax and accept the help being offered. You do not have to accept that help, but broaden your horizons and least look into other/better options available to you. Otherwise you are the one being "rude".

It appears you are fixed on a solution that nobody can recommend.

IAW your posts, money is irrelevant and the best performer from a specific product line is your desire. Go get the top of the line they offer.

You painted the response into a corner where nobody here wants to be.

NOW...there were some polite folks that asked what drove you to PSB as your brand of choice. I think everyone here is pretty curious why or how you chose that brand. If people understood your reason for choosing PSB, some of the good and knowledgeable folks here might be able to provide some better insight.

But you haven't well explained your needs.

If you'll recall, in your previous thread, in the second post in that thread, I recommended that you


But you didn't do that in your first post in this thread and have seemed hesitant to answer questions in favor of ordering people to answer yours. Sometimes the answer to a question requires information gathering.

My point is not to make this a personal attack on you, but to encourage you to provide much more information and answer any questions that seek to understand your particular situation and needs. Be more forthcoming. That way you can get the help that you want.

For instance, it might be slightly helpful to know what kind of music you primarily listen to instead of the music you do not,